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09-02-2019 03:05 PM  50 days ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
Brain/iKon Throttle Servo on Nitro install?
meowguy 4 110 09-29-2019 05:40 AM
keiser BLADE
ICUR1-2

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Ottawa, Ontario

Yep it was a learning process for me. I learned allot trying to tune my tail on a 600N thanks to msh customer support spending time, paying attention
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09-02-2019 01:06 PM  50 days ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
Brain/iKon Throttle Servo on Nitro install?
meowguy 4 110 09-29-2019 05:40 AM
keiser BLADE
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

panel 12 governor set up you adjust the end points and servo travel and servo reverse is therespending time, paying attention
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12-18-2018 04:30 AM  10 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
where to get programming cable from?
RajSingh 12 149 12-22-2018 12:48 AM
RajSingh
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

RajSingh Maybe I need that MSH 51611 cable in addition to programming cable.
You're dead in the water without it. Sorry
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12-18-2018 03:33 AM  10 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
where to get programming cable from?
RajSingh 12 149 12-22-2018 12:48 AM
RajSingh
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

ticedoff8 The MSH51611 is not needed on the mini.
I would argue that , the 2 mini ikons I programmed this summer required it.
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12-17-2018 10:29 PM  10 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
where to get programming cable from?
RajSingh 12 149 12-22-2018 12:48 AM
RajSingh
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

Yes the mini uses the same adapter. But not in stock on line spending time, paying attention
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12-17-2018 02:46 PM  10 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
where to get programming cable from?
RajSingh 12 149 12-22-2018 12:48 AM
RajSingh
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

Anyplace you can find cell phone acclessories you'll find your cable
Or
Are you talking about the adapter for the micro ikon ?

https://www.rotorquest.com/categori...red-105727.html
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11-17-2018 12:57 PM  11 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - bavarianDEMON
Power question.
Raptor Freak 12 251 11-18-2018 04:55 AM
rcflyerheli
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

A rx has all of the + sharing the same rail & all - share the same rail. Only signal are separate input
.
You can plug as many BEC input leads as you want with y harness.

I'm starting to see why this sight is dead. Too many people talking BS.
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11-17-2018 01:47 AM  11 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - bavarianDEMON
Power question.
Raptor Freak 12 251 11-18-2018 04:55 AM
rcflyerheli
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

DemetriusUSN Using a y harness, I was taught was pointless. You want both power leads plugged into the unit.
Yes this can be achieved by using a y harness. Please read what you write before posting
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11-16-2018 09:09 PM  11 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - bavarianDEMON
Power question.
Raptor Freak 12 251 11-18-2018 04:55 AM
rcflyerheli
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

You could use y harness to servo inputspending time, paying attention
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11-09-2018 05:08 PM  11 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Align 3G
Flying a Flybar equipped helicopter with a Flybarless Controller ( page 1 2 3 )
NQNA 47 5372 11-09-2018 05:08 PM
ICUR1-2
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

A mini k bar is not vibration resistant, you'll want to be careful.
If you turn down your gains enough you're essentially turning off the gyro.

My 600N has better power FBL vs flybarred
since the head has less weight and drag from using a flybar .
some FBL units allow the use of a flybar now a days but that wasn't the case just a few years ago.
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10-28-2018 05:17 AM  12 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless Rotor Head Systems
Vbar mini Gaui branded
BK479 3 122 10-28-2018 04:02 PM
BK479
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

I do not find it worth the extra cost when there are other updated fbl controllers with more features for the same money..

that being said the pro version allows more fine tuning if you need to but it isn't needed in most cases
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10-10-2018 11:33 PM  12 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless Rotor Head Systems
Brain 2
datidun 2 170 10-11-2018 10:17 AM
datidun
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

Yes
My 600N has the ikon 2 & dsm2 rx's

Dsm2 & dsmx are cross compatible.
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09-07-2018 01:50 AM  13 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
Nitro Ikon Gov Setup with Futaba
DGS 3 194 09-07-2018 03:11 AM
DGS
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

Slave aux 2 to a 3 pos switch
Governor on off is selected by bank 1,2or3
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08-10-2018 01:02 PM  14 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - BeastX
Micro Beast plus resets itself (turns off and on)
hrc37 16 253 08-10-2018 04:56 PM
ticedoff8
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

On most adjustable BEC if you raise the voltage out, the amps out drop.

Being a 10 amp at 8v it may only be capable of 3 amps out.

Get a strong BEC or go 2s direct
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07-19-2018 01:31 AM  15 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - V-Bar
vbar not binding with spektrum satellite
waheed1998 18 2178 07-19-2018 01:31 AM
ICUR1-2
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

Once the satellites are bound you can use just themspending time, paying attention
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07-19-2018 01:29 AM  15 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - V-Bar
vbar not binding with spektrum satellite
waheed1998 18 2178 07-19-2018 01:31 AM
ICUR1-2
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

There's no difference between dsm and dsmx wires.spending time, paying attention
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07-18-2018 04:00 AM  15 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - V-Bar
vbar not binding with spektrum satellite
waheed1998 18 2178 07-19-2018 01:31 AM
ICUR1-2
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

Make sure you unplug the USB cord as well.spending time, paying attention
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03-25-2018 02:02 AM  19 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Futaba CGY
Help with tuning out slight corkscrew in roll. šŸ“·
Doublah 11 636 03-25-2018 02:18 AM
Doublah
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

Have you tried increasing the right thumb auto correct ? Sometimes increasing this number for a certain model increases the chances of a successful completion. spending time, paying attention
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02-08-2018 07:53 PM  20 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless Rotor Head Systems
Entry Level/First Time FBL unit needed
jimm 8 571 02-08-2018 10:26 PM
Dyehard
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

Ikon (msh brain) comes to mind for easy to setup .
You can buy a used gen1 for about 80$
If you want something complicated I have a skookum 540 I would be willing to part with
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01-23-2018 12:57 PM  21 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
Non heading hold šŸ“·
nappyroots2182 7 531 01-26-2018 12:48 PM
nappyroots2182
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

I hear ya, I have the itch.

45% in the radio may not be 45% in the unit. Use the software to check the variance between the unit and radio.
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01-23-2018 01:26 AM  21 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
Non heading hold šŸ“·
nappyroots2182 7 531 01-26-2018 12:48 PM
nappyroots2182
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

You lower the gyro gain to get into rate mode. It goes into HH when the unit sees over 45%spending time, paying attention
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01-16-2018 08:30 PM  21 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
Ikon software
old nitroman 8 816 01-17-2018 01:33 PM
old nitroman
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

Yes it needs power from a battery before starting software afaikspending time, paying attention
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01-16-2018 01:56 PM  21 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
Ikon software
old nitroman 8 816 01-17-2018 01:33 PM
old nitroman
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

Try using the MSH software for giggles it will work with ikon .

Or try reinstalling the software .
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01-03-2018 03:34 AM  21 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
ikon
old nitroman 13 696 01-03-2018 03:34 AM
ICUR1-2
ICUR1-2

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Ottawa, Ontario

I had a feeling it had something to do with the sensor.

I couldn't reply sooner I was in surgery
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01-02-2018 03:59 PM  21 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
ikon
old nitroman 13 696 01-03-2018 03:34 AM
ICUR1-2
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

what are you using for a sensor ?spending time, paying attention
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09-20-2017 12:04 AM  25 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
Ikon 2 HD BT annhiliates heli
AaronBmore 3 671 09-20-2017 10:27 PM
AaronBmore
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

What could cause the FBL to drive a heli into the ground?

I connected my android tablet to raise gains because heli felt spongy in a tic tock.
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09-08-2017 01:17 PM  25 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
How do i use rescue on a tx switch?
AaronBmore 17 2275 09-08-2017 04:07 PM
Heli Fanatix
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

AaronBmore
you have a dx9.. does it have aux4 ?
I am using dx8 but I notice it is the radio that you set the Aux to the switch you want. try using aux4 for the glow and aux3 for bailout set to the switch you want
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05-17-2017 01:23 PM  29 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
Brain vs Ikon
wjvail 2 808 05-17-2017 04:46 PM
ticedoff8
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

there is a story behind ikon and brain that I don't remember well enough to tell.
both have the same service AFIK

I have and use both they can use each others software to program
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12-08-2016 01:51 PM  34 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
iKon mini will not connect to PC ?
meowguy 2 542 12-08-2016 01:51 PM
ICUR1-2
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

If I use the BlueTooth adapter for the Mini, will I have to use the ESC battery to power it up, and will that work? Or will I have to use a receiver battery anyway?
once the unit has been set-up it is fairly safe to use the esc BEC with bluetooth.

For my safety I keep a spare BEC and use it on the throttle channel any time I have to do something to the fbl unit, I just don't trust electrics like I do nitro.
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11-25-2016 01:04 PM  35 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless Rotor Head Systems
FBL controller
chprman 13 1160 11-30-2016 11:11 AM
rcglo1
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

Ide say none are easy the first time you use them!
then you should try Ikon or Brain very easy to follow and set up
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11-23-2016 03:21 AM  35 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless Rotor Head Systems
FBL controller
chprman 13 1160 11-30-2016 11:11 AM
rcglo1
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

MSH brain or Ikon are pretty easy to set upspending time, paying attention
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11-20-2016 12:21 AM  35 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
iKon/Brain with Spektrum Telemetry T1000?
meowguy 8 1032 11-21-2016 11:31 AM
meowguy
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

in the tele menu set display to active
also min and max rpm is inh
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11-18-2016 12:16 PM  35 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
iKon/Brain with Spektrum Telemetry T1000?
meowguy 8 1032 11-21-2016 11:31 AM
meowguy
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

they grey wire on the spektrum stuff is the signal and the orange is the positive.spending time, paying attention
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11-18-2016 02:30 AM  35 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
iKon/Brain with Spektrum Telemetry T1000?
meowguy 8 1032 11-21-2016 11:31 AM
meowguy
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

only thing left is either its not enabled in the radio or you got it in the wrong port on the tm1000spending time, paying attention
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11-17-2016 10:38 PM  35 months ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
iKon/Brain with Spektrum Telemetry T1000?
meowguy 8 1032 11-21-2016 11:31 AM
meowguy
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

I am using 1 sensor with a y harness. the tele won't show anything until it runs.
in the telemetry menu somewhere you can enter the gear ratio and get head speed instead of engine rpm

I'm using a dx8 and sk540 with tm1100
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09-14-2016 07:07 PM  3 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
iKon update available.
meowguy 2 594 09-14-2016 07:14 PM
meowguy
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

Thanks for the heads up.

does anyone know if it matters which software you use

I have both ikon and brain units
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08-09-2015 09:01 PM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - V-Bar
Help Vbar shows usb hooked up but no connections ???
piranhafreak 14 664 08-12-2015 03:52 PM
Ronald Thomas
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

go to your windows device manager and see if the vstabi driver installed correctly.
if not update the driver from the vstabi folder drivers found in windows programs x86

just went through this a minute ago
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08-09-2015 12:46 AM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - V-Bar
Help Vbar shows usb hooked up but no connections ???
piranhafreak 14 664 08-12-2015 03:52 PM
Ronald Thomas
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

is the battery plugged in ?
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04-13-2015 03:56 AM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - V-Bar
mini vbar problem šŸ“·
pulsar110 7 798 04-18-2015 06:34 PM
BobOD
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

Maybe I misread
I noticed that the gain seemed high by a typical quick wag in the tail and the hrs bounced a little when I moved to head. I made note of these and then punched out from a hover to see if the tail would blow out.
either way you will know when you tear it down to rebuild

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04-13-2015 01:18 AM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - V-Bar
mini vbar problem šŸ“·
pulsar110 7 798 04-18-2015 06:34 PM
BobOD
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

looks to me the gyro pad failed or something mechanical was causing a bad vibration. stripped or damaged gear.
possibly the wiring for the sat rx came loose. I put a small blob of hot glue on the connectors. how did you secure the wires.
you should have landed right away when the tail started kicking.
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04-09-2015 02:12 AM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless Rotor Head Systems
K-Bar Mini HELP!!!!!! šŸ“· ( page 1 2 3 )
golfpro1 46 4581 02-26-2017 06:01 PM
wc_wickedclown (RIP)
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

Sure glad I didn't steal my k-bar, I paid full retail + shipping

on that note it is the same 3 fanboys calling people thieves
Sad very sad I almost feel bad you 3

just added 3 more to the ignore list
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04-08-2015 07:50 PM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless Rotor Head Systems
K-Bar Mini HELP!!!!!! šŸ“· ( page 1 2 3 )
golfpro1 46 4581 02-26-2017 06:01 PM
wc_wickedclown (RIP)
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

Kbar is STOLEN PROPERTY. IF you buy and use it.....Its no different than buying a stolen TV watch or Ipad
Give it up fanboys
you're just making yourselves look petty
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03-01-2015 10:26 PM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
ikon vs vbar mini šŸ“· ( page 1 2 3 4 ... Last page )
johnbs8 91 7612 03-04-2015 02:18 PM
BobOD
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

How about Mikado making a micro V

just a thought

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02-23-2015 08:53 PM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
ikon vs vbar mini šŸ“· ( page 1 2 3 4 ... Last page )
johnbs8 91 7612 03-04-2015 02:18 PM
BobOD
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

the point I was trying to make is why does it cost < 45$ for a quad controller that has auto level and preprogrammed maneuvers?

When all of the ones we use cost 250+ and require some skill to set up

I just don't understand why some things in this hobby seem to be over priced
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02-23-2015 05:52 PM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
ikon vs vbar mini šŸ“· ( page 1 2 3 4 ... Last page )
johnbs8 91 7612 03-04-2015 02:18 PM
BobOD
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

LaDon
It is funny how everything gets compared to vbar and vbar is the one that gets bashed the most. That is a good sign for vbar as that means you are the measuring stone for all others to get to
Yes Mikado was the first and the best for a very long time and to those that own them they should feel proud to own a piece of history
The problem IMO is that Mikado isn't doing anything new innovation wise and they are letting other makers catch up and improve on this idea.

why do quads have better controllers ?

I have a 45$ dollar quad that does flip and rolls Automatically with a push of a button no set up required !!!
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02-22-2015 09:16 PM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
ikon vs vbar mini šŸ“· ( page 1 2 3 4 ... Last page )
johnbs8 91 7612 03-04-2015 02:18 PM
BobOD
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

WC
I don't rely on an auto level either that's what practice does instead

It's a feature I never tried just in case it didn't work

I would not pay extra for it that's why I started with a mini v then a sk540 , MSHBrain
The mini v was plug n play because of the software
The sk540 was also easy and had advanced software included plus vibe resist and a nitro governor, no bail out.
The mshbrain was similar to the sk540 but more user friendly setup
software and a bail out feature "never tried it yet".
Of the 3 only the mini v is missing a nitro gov and vibe resistance
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02-22-2015 08:09 PM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
ikon vs vbar mini šŸ“· ( page 1 2 3 4 ... Last page )
johnbs8 91 7612 03-04-2015 02:18 PM
BobOD
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

WC
I love the self level feature in the ikon works great

Did you test that model at an open field prior to that Inappropriate location ?

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02-22-2015 08:04 PM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
ikon vs vbar mini šŸ“· ( page 1 2 3 4 ... Last page )
johnbs8 91 7612 03-04-2015 02:18 PM
BobOD
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

I find bank switching very useful for tuning you set 3 banks and switch to one that works best and from there fine tune it.

the only features that the mini has over the ikon are simulated flybar and auto tuning"which in my opinion is mediocre. you also have "vibe logging ,useful for outdated hardware

To be able to manually fine tune the mini v requires the pro version

an extra 50$ in my case total cost cdn $270
At the time it was a bargain for Mikado hardware

compares to a high end tail gyro and servo

just like the futaba 401 got cloned so did Mikado
401 clones sell 20$
kbar's sell for 50$ cdn average

so as an owner of a mini v I still feel the price was worth it.

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02-22-2015 03:45 AM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
ikon vs vbar mini šŸ“· ( page 1 2 3 4 ... Last page )
johnbs8 91 7612 03-04-2015 02:18 PM
BobOD
ICUR1-2

rrElite Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

software is only 50% of the product,
Where's that BS flag when you need it?
No matter how good is the programming is on an old computer
"it is still old and outdated"

software makes the hardware hum and if the hardware is outdated so is the software

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02-21-2015 09:02 PM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
ikon vs vbar mini šŸ“· ( page 1 2 3 4 ... Last page )
johnbs8 91 7612 03-04-2015 02:18 PM
BobOD
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software is only 50% of the product, Hardware is the other 50%

you can't run windows 8 on a 386 computer

The mini v is outdated no matter how good the software was.

The MSH and Ikon are years ahead of the mini v, time for Mikado to update their mini V.
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02-20-2015 05:17 AM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
ikon vs vbar mini šŸ“· ( page 1 2 3 4 ... Last page )
johnbs8 91 7612 03-04-2015 02:18 PM
BobOD
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i have them both the vbar has more neat features
for an extra charge to be able to do what the ikon does for free
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02-01-2015 04:37 AM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
Ikon setup for trex 700 nitro
thaiboxer04 4 1014 02-01-2015 02:05 PM
thaiboxer04
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you plug the sensor in the fbl unit to use governor unless you buy a Y harness to plug into both unitsspending time, paying attention
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01-30-2015 06:34 AM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
ikon vs vbar mini šŸ“· ( page 1 2 3 4 ... Last page )
johnbs8 91 7612 03-04-2015 02:18 PM
BobOD
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I have a mini v and a msh brain
and I prefer msh because it is:

easier to set up, has a bail out feature, roll rates are better.
insensitive to vibes. no software/hardware upgrade as an extra cost.

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01-15-2015 05:13 AM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Robird
pitch problem ( page 1 2 )
eyefly3d 30 1675 01-15-2015 05:13 AM
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01-12-2015 05:11 AM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Robird
pitch problem ( page 1 2 )
eyefly3d 30 1675 01-15-2015 05:13 AM
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basically same as hawk pro and raven heads they were a Btch to get working smoothly.

have patience and work in the dampers
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01-12-2015 05:04 AM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Robird
pitch problem ( page 1 2 )
eyefly3d 30 1675 01-15-2015 05:13 AM
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for the dampers I used a bolt and washers to get them seated and compressed. be sure to use a lot of lubricant on the spindle.
or put in vise between 2 blocks of wood to squish em in.
you can use Vaseline or triflow for the thrust bearings

common problem for Century Heads.
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01-12-2015 03:13 AM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Robird
pitch problem ( page 1 2 )
eyefly3d 30 1675 01-15-2015 05:13 AM
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ICUR1-2

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do you have an extra RX to try or bybass robird and check the movement on the bench.

usually the binding only occurs when spooled up
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01-12-2015 03:04 AM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Robird
pitch problem ( page 1 2 )
eyefly3d 30 1675 01-15-2015 05:13 AM
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ICUR1-2

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I can see the swash not reacting as fast as I'm moving the stick while in a hover which leads me to think it's the robird.
I would definitely rebuild head sounds like it is binding when spooled up.

do you see the same thing on the bench?
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01-12-2015 01:43 AM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Robird
pitch problem ( page 1 2 )
eyefly3d 30 1675 01-15-2015 05:13 AM
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ICUR1-2

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is there any binding in the blade grips? if you pull on the grips do they feel smooth when turned by hand.
used to be fairly common for people to have problems with seating the dampers.
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01-08-2015 10:33 PM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - V-Bar
Vbar phasing help!!
wc_wickedclown (RIP) 12 708 01-08-2015 11:07 PM
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looking better. keep us posted

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01-08-2015 04:57 AM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - V-Bar
Vbar phasing help!!
wc_wickedclown (RIP) 12 708 01-08-2015 11:07 PM
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next try ill put the boom supports on
double check the 45* part of the tail. I suspect it's causing the wag
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01-08-2015 04:08 AM  4 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - V-Bar
Vbar phasing help!!
wc_wickedclown (RIP) 12 708 01-08-2015 11:07 PM
wc_wickedclown (RIP)
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is there something wrong with that tail? looks like it was wobbling back and forth looked a bit flimsyspending time, paying attention
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08-19-2013 01:40 PM  6 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
What's the difference between the Brain IKON and the MSH Brain
currera501 7 3461 08-28-2013 12:23 AM
alexf1852
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self level will work on nitro's IF the vibrations are low enough
or else it will make a crater for you with your heli
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08-07-2013 05:48 AM  6 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
What's the difference between the Brain IKON and the MSH Brain
currera501 7 3461 08-28-2013 12:23 AM
alexf1852
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if your buying for the self level feature it may not work on nitro as well.

most FBL units that have this feature need low/no vibes to be able to use it.
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06-13-2013 07:59 PM  6 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Skookum
Probs with my SK540
grahamlocke 4 790 06-13-2013 07:59 PM
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Probably a good idea to devote your concentration on a fbl set-up 1 wrong move can cost you a heli

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06-06-2013 05:41 AM  6 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Skookum
Skookum 540 ( page 1 2 )
wrongler 29 2415 06-14-2013 03:21 AM
ZS-JAF
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Went thru the set up again and got a green lite with sticks in any position.
that's because you have auto trim enabled
you may leave it enabled. it's for your tx pods due to climate changes the centers vary a lil

as for the left stick it can be in any position however skookum recommends using TH when plugging in or starting your heli
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05-29-2013 10:10 PM  6 years ago
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Closed ••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - Brain iKon
Is MSH Junk?
ICUR1-2 1 611 05-29-2013 10:10 PM
ICUR1-2
ICUR1-2

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Yeah

I was able to exchange the Defective MSH unit for get this a different brand
for 20$ more I'll try the Skookum 540.

After looking at the unit more closely from outside the device," I was tempted to open it fully but I want it gone"

The only thing holding the usb connector is the solder pads
absolutely no glue or proper use of a mechanical device to hold the socket in place.
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05-29-2013 09:28 PM  6 years ago
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Is MSH Junk?
ICUR1-2 1 611 05-29-2013 10:10 PM
ICUR1-2
ICUR1-2

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Is MSH Junk?
I just received my new unit after plugging the usb port for the first time, it broke off the pcb.

Now I'm stuck waiting for the hobby shop to get back to me
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04-04-2013 12:19 AM  6 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - V-Bar
Now I understand the all Mikado fans ( page 1 2 3 4 )
jgunpilot 65 4041 04-13-2013 07:50 AM
Richardmid1
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I thought the mini-v easy to set-up plus I learned a few things from mikado about geometry in the process.

I liked using Mikado's method for seting up pitch and cyclic with out the use of a pitch gauge.
And other stuff about servo resolution how to increase or decrease as needed mechanicaly
I was the same camp of " why should I buy a laptop or extra gadget "

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04-03-2013 11:40 PM  6 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - V-Bar
Now I understand the all Mikado fans ( page 1 2 3 4 )
jgunpilot 65 4041 04-13-2013 07:50 AM
Richardmid1
ICUR1-2

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you bought a lipo and reg and sold your v-bar only to find it was a servo all along

ouch I feel for ya, having been in similar situations
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04-02-2013 11:28 PM  6 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - V-Bar
Now I understand the all Mikado fans ( page 1 2 3 4 )
jgunpilot 65 4041 04-13-2013 07:50 AM
Richardmid1
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since I needed a new computer anyways I got rid of the desktop (stuck @home BS) and bought a I5 for less than the cost a heli kit
Now I can use my pc anywhere.

besides most fbl units require a computer.
something that uses pots for adjustment will be subject to noise as the pots wear.
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04-02-2013 11:23 PM  6 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - V-Bar
Now I understand the all Mikado fans ( page 1 2 3 4 )
jgunpilot 65 4041 04-13-2013 07:50 AM
Richardmid1
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I would agree if you change servo arms because of a crash you would need a computer to re-center them and make a few adjustments.

but considering what we pay to fly, buying a cheap laptop to set-up at the field is certainly attainable.
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04-02-2013 09:22 PM  6 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - V-Bar
Now I understand the all Mikado fans ( page 1 2 3 4 )
jgunpilot 65 4041 04-13-2013 07:50 AM
Richardmid1
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Sold my Silverline V Bar 5.3 Pro and ordered a new BeastX.
I'll bet they sold fast
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03-19-2013 05:43 AM  6 years ago
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Closed ••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - NoBar
NOBAR! ( page 1 2 )
SSMKN2 28 2319 03-20-2013 11:45 PM
SSMKN2
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The trick to a good nobar system is having the right servo resolution set mechanically by increasing it as much as possible with out loosing too much travel(servo arms,swash arms/balls).
Using the right set of head dampners will help alot in hover.
Then setting/lowering your dual rates and raising the expo in your radio
dr 85% expo 25% to start

I tried, I liked it but not for light models on windy days for sure
A heavier machine is needed for windy days

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02-09-2013 03:52 PM  6 years ago
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Closed ••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - V-Bar
If You Don't Know What You Are Talking About šŸ“· ( page 1 2 3 4 )
Ronald Thomas 63 3200 02-10-2013 03:03 PM
Ace Dude
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if you don`t know what you`re talking about post a stupid gif
seems to work for some people
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11-12-2012 03:01 AM  6 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless Rotor Head Systems
Explain Resolution ( page 1 2 )
wifeorheli 28 2412 11-24-2012 12:41 PM
Zbawer
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So as far as swashplate is concerned what is better? having balls further out or further in?

servo to swash if you use longer stand off will increase resolution and require more elev/aile travel

swash to head if you make stand off longer will decrease resolution requiring less input travel

head stand offs if adjustable longer increases cyclic/collective resolution and more travel required

however the swash stand offs does not affect collective

the length of your bell cranks and ball position on servo horn will affect collective and cyclic
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11-10-2012 04:25 PM  6 years ago
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••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless - NoBar
New NoBar Sub Section ( page 1 2 )
Mark Ryder 31 2118 11-13-2012 03:08 PM
Chris Bergen
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Not for nothing but no-bar, same as fly-bar, will not stuff your $heli$ into the ground because of the development of a vibration, or a faulty sensor or a programming glitch. To this day
sometimes simplicity is best!

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11-10-2012 03:00 PM  6 years ago
TopicTopic StarterReplyViewLast Post
••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless Rotor Head Systems
Explain Resolution ( page 1 2 )
wifeorheli 28 2412 11-24-2012 12:41 PM
Zbawer
ICUR1-2

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resolution easily explained

imagine a ruler marked in one inch increments only (low resolution)
imagine the same ruler with 1/8" increments (high resolution)
the more increments the higher the resolution
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11-10-2012 02:54 PM  6 years ago
TopicTopic StarterReplyViewLast Post
••šŸšHelicopter Flybarless Rotor Head Systems
Explain Resolution ( page 1 2 )
wifeorheli 28 2412 11-24-2012 12:41 PM
Zbawer
ICUR1-2

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BUT i have 12 degrees pitch and im only at 32 in my swash menu
move your ball in on the servo horns

should be second 1 in from the edge
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