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03-20-2014 04:20 AM  5 years ago
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What has changed in the servo world in the last 10 years? ­čôĚ
wjvail 18 2074 01-24-2015 07:34 PM
Ace Dude
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Types
What interests me is the type of servo. JR has so many types that I don't know whats going on.

JR has wide voltage servos. What is the difference between a high voltage servo and a wide voltage servo?

And whats the difference between a coreless servo and a brushless servo?

Is there a place that explains them all?
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03-20-2014 04:11 AM  5 years ago
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Lowest Current Draw for HV Servos ­čôĚ
Nycatt 10 891 03-20-2014 12:51 PM
Eury
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Where not to go
Savox HV servos are current hogs. The current draw was so high that I thought the battery was bad.
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03-13-2014 01:44 AM  5 years ago
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11.1v 3S Tx Battery
rudyy 4 486 03-16-2014 05:04 PM
chris6414
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

I try not to let a lipo go below its stated voltage.Old Guys Rule!
 

11-29-2013 12:21 AM  5 years ago
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Xps Power Systems, 2.4ghz Transmitter Module and recievers.
flying buffalo 3 760 11-29-2013 12:21 AM
Zaneman007
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Today's 2.4Ghz systems transmit on 2 channels and hop between frequencies. This makes them reliable.

XPS does neither. It uses one channel on one frequency. It's trouble waiting to happen, as you have already noticed.

Look it up on the old web. It's all there.
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11-27-2013 03:02 AM  5 years ago
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JR HV tail servos
ssrobzoom 10 948 11-30-2013 06:59 PM
Helipilot01
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Type in jramericas in your browser.

JR is making wide voltage, high voltage, and quick release tail servos. They all take 2S lipos directly. You'll find them in their heli specialty servo section.

Good luck figuring it all out.
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11-13-2013 06:50 PM  5 years ago
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Align governor with Spektrum engine sensor? ­čôĚ
meowguy 8 855 11-18-2013 07:57 PM
meowguy
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

I have both sensors. The wiring is different and needs to be swapped.Old Guys Rule!
 

09-02-2013 03:38 AM  6 years ago
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Gy520 going crazy only in HH
mustang67ford 9 716 09-02-2013 11:28 PM
mustang67ford
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Silly question, but do you have the gyro in AVS in the radio?Old Guys Rule!
 

09-02-2013 03:03 AM  6 years ago
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3gx issue ­čôĚ
hoversmooth999 3 611 09-04-2013 06:44 PM
hoversmooth999
Zaneman007

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Different head speeds will effect gain, but acting up. Not sure what you are referring to.

Most FBL units are sensitive to vibration. I have had a unit act up due to an out of tune, running rough while breaking in.

But I have found that align FBL systems are less prone to vibrations than some other units.

With that said its possible, but...... My units were pretty vibration resistant.
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06-20-2013 06:21 PM  6 years ago
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Are 8717HV Servos as good as it gets? ( page 1 2 )
Crash3D 24 2863 02-23-2014 09:12 PM
rexxigpilot
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

I agree HV brushless servos are at the top of the "servo" chain, but they come with a price, exclusive of there availability.

Not everyone flys the same heli, so why would they fly they go "all" brushless?
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06-17-2013 06:10 PM  6 years ago
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Is a stiff 610 servo shot?
BrianApp 4 880 04-18-2015 10:55 PM
don s
Zaneman007

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Yea, it doesn't sound good. I'd toss it, no need to wait for it to fail.Old Guys Rule!
 

06-02-2013 01:32 PM  6 years ago
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BLS 251 work on 6 volts? ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 3 )
Wedge77 48 2459 06-05-2013 09:34 PM
RogerRabbit62
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

They will fry on 6 volts, mine did.

You guys are so smart and now your omniscience, WOW,

I'd explain electric motors to you guys, but you obviously have zero electronics knowledge!
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06-02-2013 01:38 AM  6 years ago
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BLS 251 work on 6 volts? ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 3 )
Wedge77 48 2459 06-05-2013 09:34 PM
RogerRabbit62
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

You still don't get it.Old Guys Rule!
 

06-02-2013 12:51 AM  6 years ago
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Jr 4.8v 2500mah NiMH charging ( page 1 2 )
dschertz 21 1724 06-03-2013 03:34 AM
Jerry K
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

And you do not see NiCads out of stock ever.Old Guys Rule!
 

06-02-2013 12:50 AM  6 years ago
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Jr 4.8v 2500mah NiMH charging ( page 1 2 )
dschertz 21 1724 06-03-2013 03:34 AM
Jerry K
Zaneman007

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06-02-2013 12:46 AM  6 years ago
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Align servo quality
MartyH 8 993 06-02-2013 01:28 AM
NQNA
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Align servos are rebranded Savox servos.
Align engines are rebranded OS engines.

It works for me.
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06-02-2013 12:37 AM  6 years ago
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BLS 251 work on 6 volts? ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 3 )
Wedge77 48 2459 06-05-2013 09:34 PM
RogerRabbit62
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

You don't get it. Then you make personal, attacks. And you didn't get that either. Remember the PM I sent you?

I'd loved to say that you are right, but then we would both be, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Get a clue?
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06-01-2013 11:01 PM  6 years ago
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multi gov setup trouble
highrpm 9 465 06-05-2013 01:27 PM
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Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Sounds like you are doing the set up correctly.
I'd put it on the bench, and see what happens.
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06-01-2013 05:24 PM  6 years ago
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BLS 251 work on 6 volts? ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 3 )
Wedge77 48 2459 06-05-2013 09:34 PM
RogerRabbit62
Zaneman007

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Did you ever wonder why some manufactures, such as FUTABA has such a good reputation , and others like Hobby King has such a poor reputation?

It is called Quality Control. Quality manufactures make products that are tested to work at a designed "specification" and NOT fail. When you purchase individual electronic components, they are rated to work at certain specs. The higher the rating, the more the component costs. Why? The short answer is because they are beefier, they designed to handle more voltage and more current. Would you use a 12V 5ohm resistor for a 100V application or would you use a 100V 5ohm resistor? If you can understand that then you can understand the difference between a Futaba high voltage servo and a Hobby King high voltage servo, and why one costs $150 plus and the other costs $10 plus shipping.

Or maybe you can't understand, so let me break it down for you. Lets take a street bridge. One that you drive over with a car. Lets say that it is rated for a max load of 20,000 lbs. Does that mean that it is going to fail at 20,001 lbs or even 20,100? I would certainly hope not. It will probably take more than a few tons over its maximum limit, before it would fail. What you need to understand (please pay attention here)is that the safe operating or MAX limit is NOT THE FAIL POINT. It is some number higher than that. So we can say safely say that the MAX limit is not equal to the Fail point. Because if that were true then a truck that was weighed on a scale that was off by one pound, could be disastrous.

lets take another example closer to the point, the voltage of everything that you plug into the wall in you home in the US is 120 volts 60Hz. Now if you take a closer look you will see that the components that that use the 120 volts will actually operate at a range that is over and under 120 volts. Why because the voltage in you home can swing below 120 and over 120. Yet, the rating on the plug says 120V only, agreed.

Now to the point,a 4.8 voltage servos will not fail at 4.9 or 5.1 volts. It is designed to run "SAFELY" up to the voltage output from a fully charged 4.8 volt NiCad which is 5.8V. The servo has been designed and tested via a quality assurance department to operate within that range or swing voltage. All of the components on the servo are rated for that range. That puts 6.0 volts outside of that range. As I have explained FAIL point verse MAX operating earlier, I'll skip that in hopes that you understood it.

What you need to ask yourself is why does EVERY manufacturer, have a 4.8 voltage rating verses a 6.0 rating? Keep in mind that there are NO batteries rated at 6.0 volts that I know of. I am sure that the manufactures are aware of this. So I think that is safe to say that the manufacturer understands that a 6.0 volt servo will be more likely than not running on a regulated power source that outputs.... Now, here is the tricky part, 6.0 volts exactly, always, forever regardless of load. Or is it a SWING voltage, where 6.0 volts is the minimum output at the maximum current. I know for a fact that a regulated power source will swing in voltage, not much, but it will. So with this piece of information, there could be a chance that you are running 6.2 volts through your servo. So where is the fail point? Would you then recommend a LiFe Battery? its only .4 volts off 6.2 volts when loaded.

With that said, you make recommendations as if you know the EXACT FAIL POINT, and you don't. and again from experience, components with the exact same specs don't fail at the exact same point. This is due to various uncontrollable factors.

I do not purchase servos from Europe, so I have never actually removed each component and to determine its origin and exact specifications. You do realize that without knowing this, there is now way to determine that? so I'm not sure how you came up with your conclusion. Or was it based on "it looks the same'?

I know why my servo failed. It is called thermal run away induced, due to exceeding the specified voltage. I also know that I VOIDED the warranty in doing so. What part of this do you not understand?

Just keep in mind, that when you tell someone that it is OK to exceed the manufactures specs, you are basically tell people to buy HOBBY KING $10 servos. I can guarantee the HOBBY SERVO components are being advertised NEAR or at the extreme limit of there FAIL point.

So what I hear you say is forget the specs, the components, Like the bridge, can take way more than what they are designed for, so just go for it. And if it FAILs, you(the user) probably did something wrong. And my response to your comments is, "if you are taking that attitude why bother with "high end" components, just go straight for the "orange" Hobby King brand. You will save yourself a ton of money, and you are doing the same thing.

Personally, I hate code compliance. But when I run into individuals like you. It confirms why they are NEEDED.

In summary,
If you chose to ignore the manufactures recommendation, that is your choice, but please do so knowingly that you are in effect not safely operating the device.
But recommending that it is "Safe" and OK to other is irresponsible, and just plain bad advice.
The rrProffesor title needs to go. There are way to many on this forum with that title that obviously have no clue, and simply use it to PUSH there bad advice.

I'm way over done, have a good day.
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06-01-2013 03:35 PM  6 years ago
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BLS 251 work on 6 volts? ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 3 )
Wedge77 48 2459 06-05-2013 09:34 PM
RogerRabbit62
Zaneman007

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Baffled
If they were designed to work on 6 volts they wouldn't make a 4.8volt, only servo as opposed a 6.0 volt or HV(high voltage) servo.

Ignoring the manufactures recommend max voltage is one thing, but saying that the manufacturer is wrong, and recommending that others ignore it. Is simply BAD advice.

So, who is going to buy me a new BLS251??????
Or is my original comment valid!

The only thing that I left out of my original comment was that if it fails, they will tell you or ask "what did YOU do wrong?". The fact that You operated the components outside of their design specifications doesn't seem to matter to them, but it does seem to matter to the manufacturer. Why because the components inside the servo are DESIGNED to work at those specs. They have been QA'd for those specs.

I truly hope that none of you giving this bad advice are engineers or an employees at a company that manufactures anything! If you are, I pray it is hobby king, making $10 dollar servos, and putting 24 gauge wire in a 16 gauge application!!!!

That fact that this needs to be explained to individuals with the "rrProfessor" designation tells me that designation is meaningless.

Totally Baffled
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06-01-2013 05:10 AM  6 years ago
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BLS 251 work on 6 volts? ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 3 )
Wedge77 48 2459 06-05-2013 09:34 PM
RogerRabbit62
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Really, that's all you can say?
And how old are you?
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05-31-2013 11:57 PM  6 years ago
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BLS 251 work on 6 volts? ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 3 )
Wedge77 48 2459 06-05-2013 09:34 PM
RogerRabbit62
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Don't be a Guinea pig
I destroyed a perfectly good BLS251 by inadvertently putting it on a 6.0 volt regulated system. It didn't last 5 minutes.

Thats not to say that it has not work for some.

Thats to say that if it goes poof, no one including those encouraging you to do it will PAY you for the cost of replacing it, and you will void the warranty.

So to answer your question; no it will not safely work on 6 volts.
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05-31-2013 05:26 AM  6 years ago
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401 and 9254 issues
dschertz 18 594 05-31-2013 05:26 AM
Zaneman007
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Rappy,
Are you taking mechanical gain into consideration? Assume that the servo is way off center to maintain no drift. The distance the servo would have to travel in one direction verses the other would effect it's ability to hold better in one direction than the other, no? It would most certainly respond quicker in one direction than the other. It's just basic physics.

It is my understanding that the piro rate is increased or decreased by the adjusting the end points in the radio.

Also, once you go into heading hold the servo moves to an offset position that will hold the heli in a constant position. If there is no wind, this position would always be the same regardless of set up in the rate mode. So I am not sure how the travel distance from side to side would be effected,

Thus, I stand by my previous statement.
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05-31-2013 05:04 AM  6 years ago
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401 and 9254 issues
dschertz 18 594 05-31-2013 05:26 AM
Zaneman007
Zaneman007

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If you don't set up for zero drift in rate mode, you are constantly applying an input to the servo the second you flip to heading hold.

Have you tried increasing the gain in the radio. If the gain is to low, the gyro will drift in heading hold. Do you have the travel maxed out without binding?
The only other suggestion would be to increase the travel in the radio. This will increase the piro rate allowing for quicker adjustments.

The 401 was a good gyro for its day. But it is now old and tired. If you are planing on getting a new gyro, may I suggest a spartan.

Either way hope you sort it out.
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05-30-2013 05:56 AM  6 years ago
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401 and 9254 issues
dschertz 18 594 05-31-2013 05:26 AM
Zaneman007
Zaneman007

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I just noticed that you keep repeating that you had zero trim on Radio for the tail gyro. That really has nothing to do with nothing on a 401 when it comes to the Gyro drifting.

But that is not what people are asking. They are asking if you adjusted the linkage for the servo so that when you're flying in rate mode it doesn't drift. This requires about a 7┬░ offset on the tail blades.
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05-30-2013 05:49 AM  6 years ago
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401 and 9254 issues
dschertz 18 594 05-31-2013 05:26 AM
Zaneman007
Zaneman007

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The servo is not a linear output. If the servo is not centered, The servo will have more travel in one direction than the other direction for the same amount of input.

Unless you have a faulty 401, the source of the drift is more likely to be from a vibration than not centering the servo.

I hope that answers your question. But, I'm not sure how a slight drift would cause a crash.
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05-22-2013 01:01 AM  6 years ago
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Closed ••­čÜüHelicopter Radio - Servo - Gyro - Gov - Batt
Jr 4.8v 2500mah NiMH charging ( page 1 2 )
dschertz 21 1724 06-03-2013 03:34 AM
Jerry K
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Good catch.Old Guys Rule!
 

04-08-2013 06:26 PM  6 years ago
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What do I need for battery upgrade...
solo 5 574 04-12-2013 12:14 AM
solo
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

A constant 6.6 volts should not damage a 6 volt servo.Old Guys Rule!
 

02-17-2013 03:30 PM  6 years ago
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Xps Power Systems, 2.4ghz Transmitter Module and recievers.
flying buffalo 3 760 11-29-2013 12:21 AM
Zaneman007
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

I almost forgot about that system, until you made your post.

So to answer you question, no.
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02-08-2013 04:59 AM  6 years ago
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is this battery good ?? ­čôĚ
invertup 5 637 02-10-2013 09:17 PM
invertup
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

I have found that the batteries from hobby king do not have the staying power of some of the other brands in high discharge applications.

Having said that an Rx pack is not a high discharge application. It should work just fine.
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01-30-2013 02:16 PM  6 years ago
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Futaba BLS 251, anyone running with 6v? ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 )
Caseyho04 23 6949 01-30-2013 02:16 PM
Zaneman007
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Not rated
I had BLS251, until I ran it on 6v regulated. It burnt out in very short order.
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01-26-2013 04:18 PM  6 years ago
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Setup thoughts 4.8v to 6v
mustang67ford 14 2721 02-05-2013 05:00 AM
Dr.Ben
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Speaking for myself?
Most of us with 6V experience are using a regulator to drop a 7.2 volt lipo to a constant 6 volts, and some are using LiFe's witch drop to 6.6volts unregulated when loaded.

I agree that you need a little bit of a safety margin when running a 2.4Ghz system on 4.8V. It is not something that I would do. A power surge/spike on a 4.8V system would cause almost any 2.Ghz system to power off.
What I don't know, is the gear says 4.8-6v, but an actual 6v battery puts out more than 6v. Also the s3151 servo does not list data for 6v so not sure if it will work at 6v.
As you know a nicad rated at 4.8v, puts out more than 4.8 volts. With that said, I would think that a 6V servo on a 6V battery would be just fine.

If there is no information on the servo above 4.8V, then that would indicate that it is not rated for anything higher than a 4.8V battery. I personally burned out a 4.8V tail servo in short order, when I hooked it up to a constant 6V regulator.

You might consider looking into adding a capacitor to your layout, just in case. Spectrum sells them or you can make your own.

I hoped that helped.
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10-07-2012 12:23 AM  7 years ago
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Help: Soldering balancing wire
rudyy 10 724 10-07-2012 04:26 PM
rexxigpilot
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Lead based, Non-lead based, sounds like we are talking about plumbing?

You definitely don't want to use lead based on your plumbing,

I prefer to use solder without flux. I apply the flux myself, before soldering. The key is to have clean joints and solder tip. If not, the required temp goes way up. All those melted deans plugs are mostly due to dirty solder joints.

The only other concern is the size of the wire. Some of these new batteries are coming stock with what appears to be 10 gauge wire or bigger? A small solder iron, adequate for servo wires, just will not get hot enough.
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09-12-2012 08:19 PM  7 years ago
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Detention 8s Transmitter
fuzzyguy 3 642 09-21-2012 02:19 AM
RAK402
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

A TX is not heli dependent, unless you have a bind and fly(such as elite or walker). It is Rx dependent. You have to use the manufactures Rx with their TX.

In todays environment, you need to now how the signal is transmitted. Ideally you want two transmitted signals with a wide dispersion that hop. A single 2.4Ghz signal that does not hop is literally.... a sitting duck for getting locked out.

The Walker Tx is DSSS. So it doesn't hop. Thats all I know.

P.S. Its a Devention, not a Detention.
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08-23-2012 02:04 AM  7 years ago
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LiFe or LiPo ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 )
kvnm27 30 2563 09-03-2012 02:06 PM
hootowl
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

gadget guy
I guess I'm a gadget guy. I run regulated lipos, except for my N5c. This ship has all HV servos, so the lipos are unregulated, one less gadget.

Checking the voltage is something that I do between every flight. I started this routine when a fellow heli pilot, responded to what happened with, "I thought I charged the Rx battery."

This is simply a preflight check for me.

Just my 2 cents.
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08-21-2012 03:55 PM  7 years ago
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8FG MultiGov Pro Beastx R6203SB
hehnr7 9 2034 01-04-2014 09:42 PM
bj660raptor
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

The issue is that; It all looks good on the multigov. It changes speeds from 1 to 3 when I go through the FM switch. It reads the magnet at 99. The throttle limits test, good.

But, when I got to fly, I only get one speed? It is not speed 1. Speed 1 is 1650rpm. It's more like 1900 - 2000rpm. It's governed and its constant, but it doesn't quite relate to speed 2 or 3. I'm not sure whats going on.

I've contacte Aerospire, but they say that they are not aware of any issues on the 8Fg that would cause it. The only thing that I did was change Rx's from a spectrum to a Futaba. And yes, I redid my setup on everything.

Thanks
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08-16-2012 03:49 PM  7 years ago
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Batteries, when they die,
icanfly 8 1040 08-26-2012 02:39 PM
icanfly
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Suggestion:
1. Time your flights
2. Write down the number of milliamps to recharge
3. Write down the low and high voltage
4. Document the number of fights the battery pack has on it.
5. Determine the low voltage cut off of the ESC

If your Rx is cutting out, you are going below 3.4 volts.

NOTE: Not all batteries are the same.
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08-16-2012 03:16 PM  7 years ago
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8FG MultiGov Pro Beastx R6203SB
hehnr7 9 2034 01-04-2014 09:42 PM
bj660raptor
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

I may give it a try
I cannot get my multiple gov to work properly. It governs but just one speed. The oddity is that it looks like it is working?

I'm using an align gov on another beastx and it works just fine.
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08-15-2012 06:33 PM  7 years ago
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Batteries, when they die,
icanfly 8 1040 08-26-2012 02:39 PM
icanfly
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Yes,

Lipos do have a shelf life. This can be significantly reduced by drawing down to many milli amps or exceeding the c rating while discharging.

Your charger should have a discharge feature. This will discharge and then recharge that battery.

You should never go below 80% when discharging.

That is what the timer on the radio is used for.
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08-13-2012 02:30 PM  7 years ago
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align RCE G600 GOV.
DALEPABAJO69 1 418 08-13-2012 02:30 PM
Zaneman007
Zaneman007

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It works off of percentages.
Just adjust percentages for the ratio.
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07-27-2012 12:36 AM  7 years ago
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Lipos and voltage reg
rcpilotmike 12 1057 07-27-2012 01:29 PM
wifeorheli
Zaneman007

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I just set up a heli on straight lipos 7.4v.

High voltage servos are were things are headed.
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06-12-2012 03:59 AM  7 years ago
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Multigov not playing with 8FG
Zaneman007 14 1049 06-12-2012 04:36 AM
TMoore
Zaneman007

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I tried that....

The R617FS does not have a high speed mode.

And

I took the R6203SB out of high speed mode, same results.

I emailed aerospire, they are not aware of any issues with the 8FG that would prevent it from working.

I also tried using the Gov2 function, no change.

Keep em coming.
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06-12-2012 03:54 AM  7 years ago
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left my Tx on with a lipo in it
helidevil 8 791 06-12-2012 03:54 AM
Zaneman007
Zaneman007

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Me too
I thought that I was the only one who knew how to do that.

The 9303 needs a light or something.

On the other hand, my 8Fg will turn itself off.
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06-12-2012 03:34 AM  7 years ago
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Multigov not playing with 8FG
Zaneman007 14 1049 06-12-2012 04:36 AM
TMoore
Zaneman007

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Looking at the output on channel 7, I have -100, 0, 100 as I flip through the flight mode switches.

So channel 7 looks good and it is tied to the flight mode switch, but... that is the way it has always been. Nothing new there.

I appreciate the responses.

thanks

Still nothing new. I've got to be missing something.

PS - this is the "old" multigov, not the pro. I have like three or four of them. Just can't get them to work with the 8FG?
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06-12-2012 01:29 AM  7 years ago
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Zaneman007 14 1049 06-12-2012 04:36 AM
TMoore
Zaneman007

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It sees the sensor. It reads 99 on the display.

Please understand the rpm is a constant 1900rpm, and it holds even on tic tocs. My throttle curve is not that good.

It's just that I have three speeds programed into it, and none of them are 1900? And it only does that one speed, even thought it shows all three on the display.
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06-12-2012 01:13 AM  7 years ago
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Multigov not playing with 8FG
Zaneman007 14 1049 06-12-2012 04:36 AM
TMoore
Zaneman007

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I have two of them doing the same thing.

Recal, yes I re-set the throttle limits. I went through the whole multigov set up. Everything appears fine.

It even seems to regulate, but... based on what setting and why only one speed?

Does anyone have a multigov on an 8FG, that is working correctly?

Thanks
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06-09-2012 04:53 AM  7 years ago
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Zaneman007 14 1049 06-12-2012 04:36 AM
TMoore
Zaneman007

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The outputs on the servo screen looks good.

The outputs on the multigov screen looks good.

The actual out look, not so much.
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06-08-2012 03:42 AM  7 years ago
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Multigov not playing with 8FG
Zaneman007 14 1049 06-12-2012 04:36 AM
TMoore
Zaneman007

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Hello
Is anyone running the multigov on the 8Fg.

If so what are the settings in the radio to get this to work?
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06-05-2012 04:24 AM  7 years ago
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Multigov not playing with 8FG
Zaneman007 14 1049 06-12-2012 04:36 AM
TMoore
Zaneman007

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Multigov not playing with 8FG
I switch radios from a JR9303 to an 8FG.

And now the multi gov does not work, properly. I have one on a R6203SB and the other on a R617FS.

They are both acting up in the same way. Everything looks good via the view screen, the speeds change as I flip the flight mode switch, the rpms read out as they should for each speed, I have speed 1 at 1650, speed 2 at 2000 and speed 3 at 2100. but..... when I spool up in normal mode, it goes to 1900, Then when I flip to idle 1, same speed 1900, than another flip to idle 2, same speed 1900. The engine runs at at constant rpm. So the engine is being governed, but..... via...... I'm not sure where it is getting the speed from.

I have tried the following. Tie channel 7 to Gov 2 function, no change. Drop the Rx out of high speed mode, no change. Tie the gov channel to SE (flight mode switch), no change. I have the Gov in the radio at the following percents 0,50,100.

Everything reads out as it should on the view screen. It picks the sensor up at 99,the three speeds are there, the rpms are there but after that nothing. I am using the back plate sensor, but I was using that before on the JR radio, with out issue.

What the heck?
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05-18-2012 01:58 AM  7 years ago
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Radio specs(please help)
Bohnhead 7 818 05-18-2012 01:58 AM
Zaneman007
Zaneman007

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You are correct. It does scan first, didn't mean to leave that out.

But not all radios scan first. The spectrum "test" was done with spectrum radios. Thus, all forty radios were on different frequencies. Good test, really.

Now throw in an Aroura 9, an XPS(this 72mhz at 2.4ghz stay clear of this), a futaba FAAST and a FHSS, a JR DMSS and a few lesser know brands. Now what? Not all systems scan first.

That is why they came out with DSMX. Spectrum admitted that some DSM2 radios were taking hits at IRCHA, and prior to that it was bullet proof?

Chances are...... what chances are.
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05-17-2012 04:34 AM  7 years ago
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Radio specs(please help)
Bohnhead 7 818 05-18-2012 01:58 AM
Zaneman007
Zaneman007

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The DSM2 does not hop. The radio selects two channels totally at random. The theory is if one is blocked the other is open. The only issue is that on occasion the channels are so close together that you no longer have the benefit of two channels. There are some vids on U-tube that illustrate this.

It is my understanding that FAAST continuously shifts channels while FHSS hops along. I have seen vids on fast but not on FHSS. Thus, you are never on the same channel for long and I believe that they both have two channels to select from.

Bottom line, DSM2 can take hits at events like IRCHA. Spectrum fest up to this after introducing DSMX.f

IMO - With most of the new radios hoping or shifting channels, I'm not to sure how safe DSM2 will be. If you stay with spectrum, you'll want DSMX at a minimum. If you go with JR DMSS via the XG series is the way to go. I think FHSS is new and improved, DSM2 is well... old.

I went from the 9303 with the spectrum module to the 8FG. And I'm loving it. Futaba makes a good product with tons of features.

JR is easy to program, but limited.

Futaba is not so easy to program, but unlimited.

You really need to go onto Utube and see the vids.
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05-06-2012 04:12 PM  7 years ago
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Good throttle servo
cmdiduca 13 1005 05-13-2012 01:36 PM
gouki
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Here we go..........

Is a .0001 servo on the throttle realy going to benefit?

I've been using futaba 3051's without issues for years. A servo with a speed of .16 is adequate for any governor out there.

If there is a gov that requires a faster servo than that please post that portion of the manual. I would be interest to see that.
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05-01-2012 02:02 PM  7 years ago
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X50 battery setup
cmdiduca 2 570 05-01-2012 02:05 PM
cmdiduca
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Make sure that you match the voltage out to the voltage in. I am pretty sure that 251's are rated at 4.8volts. I would not run those on 6 volts. Some regulators will supply dual voltages or you can use a step down.

If you want to run 6v buy 6 volt servos all the way around, and purchase a 6 volt regulator.
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04-25-2012 01:34 PM  7 years ago
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Do magnets go bad? or (How to fry a magnet)
Zaneman007 8 2099 04-26-2012 03:23 AM
Pistol Pete
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

I use a map torch to heat the nuts to loosen the permanent lock tight. The fan is metal(aluminum). I never thought about the heat demagnetizing the magnet.

I ran a metal tool over the magnet and it was dead.

That would explain why it worked before and not after.
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04-23-2012 02:23 PM  7 years ago
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Do magnets go bad? or (How to fry a magnet)
Zaneman007 8 2099 04-26-2012 03:23 AM
Pistol Pete
Zaneman007

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Do magnets go bad? or (How to fry a magnet)
My governor was not working. Let me rephrase this, my governor quit working. The problem was that the sensor no longer recognizes the "old" magnet in the fan shroud. I say old, because when I hold it up to a new magnet the sensor recognizes it.

It is an aluminum fan shroud.

So the question is, how long do magnets last?
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04-15-2012 10:10 PM  7 years ago
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JR XG11
vigor10 11 1115 04-19-2012 06:55 PM
pitfall
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Wrong again
I have to take it back. The JR US site is announcing the arrival of the XG series radios.

Some times it is good to be wrong.
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04-15-2012 07:41 PM  7 years ago
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JR XG11
vigor10 11 1115 04-19-2012 06:55 PM
pitfall
Zaneman007

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I am not seeing the XG series JR radios on JR's US site.

And if they are not FCC approved, what's the point?
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04-14-2012 10:11 PM  7 years ago
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JR XG11
vigor10 11 1115 04-19-2012 06:55 PM
pitfall
Zaneman007

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I just went to HH web site and they show the XG8 and the XG6 also.

But......... They show as Out Of Stock.

I guess now the question is when.
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04-14-2012 10:05 PM  7 years ago
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JR XG11
vigor10 11 1115 04-19-2012 06:55 PM
pitfall
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

My bad
I take it back.

I would think that once the FCC approves the DMSS system, this would open the door for the other XG series radios.

Or is that wishful thinking on my part?
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04-14-2012 08:36 PM  7 years ago
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JR XG11
vigor10 11 1115 04-19-2012 06:55 PM
pitfall
Zaneman007

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Wishful thinking.Old Guys Rule!
 

02-28-2012 01:08 AM  7 years ago
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3gx & dx8 & pro 20 bec self induced brown out
Bill Clontz 17 1428 02-28-2012 04:12 AM
RAK402
Zaneman007

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my two cents
Do you have a sat antenna up against the carbon fiber?
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01-17-2012 06:15 PM  7 years ago
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how good are the savox servos ??
400 flyer 3 870 01-18-2012 04:46 PM
Triple-D TJ
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

If you look at the align servos and compare them to the SAVOX servos, you will see that they are exactly the same.

I'm running the align DS610 with out issue.

Also, they are a good bang for the buck.
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12-30-2011 12:43 AM  7 years ago
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7.4 Volts ; Li-ion vs Lipo
JJ-TREX450 6 1598 01-05-2012 04:34 AM
Flyinhelis
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

The big difference is the "C" out. I have used the fromecos. They are top notch batteries. But if you take a close look the "C" rating is pretty low. Li-Ons in general have a low C, Lipos on the other had are pretty much all over, mostly on the high side.

The question is; Is the C rating sufficient for your needs. IMO- the 2S2P LiOn packs will handle most all current requirements for an Rx pack, and the 2S1P packs are sufficient.

On the other hand, Lipos are very, very, very light. You can get anything from a 5C to a 20C or higher.

LiFe packs drop to 3.3volts per pack and stick. So a 2S system is 6.6 volts, always. It is like having a regulated voltage without the regulator. Only thing is; it is difficult to determine the charge status of the pack. You can not do an impedance test on them. They will read 6.6 Volts regardless of the remaining capacity.

Personally, I prefer 5C lipos in the 3600mah range for my Rx batteries. More current then I'll ever need and I can fly quite a few flights between charges.
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12-18-2011 05:21 PM  7 years ago
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Satellte Reciever not staying bound on Align 3GX
heliron 4 1424 12-18-2011 05:21 PM
Zaneman007
Zaneman007

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Could be the radio
If you have a plug-in 2.4Ghz module, for some reason the 3Gx will not bind properly. I have a 9303 w/2.4 module. If I bind the sats one at a time with an AR7000 and then plug them into the 3Gx unit, the system will initialize, then within less than a minute the sats will start blinking like they lost signal?

If I bind them with my AR9000, the 3Gx won't even initialize.

If I run the 3Gx through the AR9000, it losses bind???

If I try to bind directly to the 3Gx, it looks like it binds, but the system totally freaks out. The servos all drive hard to there limits.

If I bind the 3Gx with a DX7, works perfectly?

The 3Gx does NOT work with all sats with all Tx's, PERIOD.

Assurance RC is aware of this. They told me what the problem was before they even got my 3Gx unit for testing!!!!

What I find troubling is that "Tim" from Assurance RC told me to disconnect the signal wire on the lead suppling power to the Rx from the 3Gx unit, as this could cause binding issues, also.

I wonder when they are going to mention all of this!
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12-03-2011 12:47 AM  7 years ago
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Battery advice for NiCD upgrade
Greg Faust 12 1322 12-03-2011 08:05 PM
dkshema
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

DO NOT
Whatever you do. Do not run a 2.4ghz Rx on a 4.8 volt NiCad battery, period. The probability that they will drop below the minimum required voltage of any 2.4Ghz Rx is pretty good.

LiFe's - The pros are they drop to 6.6 volts and stay there pretty much until they die. The cons are the same as the pros.(a voltage tester will not work on them) You have to guess at there remaining life.

Lithium Ions, A123s, they will all work also.
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11-14-2011 03:59 AM  7 years ago
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Satellte Reciever not staying bound on Align 3GX
heliron 4 1424 12-18-2011 05:21 PM
Zaneman007
Zaneman007

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Bad sat?Old Guys Rule!
 

10-23-2011 03:10 PM  8 years ago
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JR split
Zaneman007 3 762 10-23-2011 04:20 PM
9387ASH
Zaneman007

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Problem is I want a new JR radio, but they do not sell them in the US.

Have we become a 3rd world country?
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10-22-2011 02:51 PM  8 years ago
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Zaneman007 3 762 10-23-2011 04:20 PM
9387ASH
Zaneman007

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JR split
Is it me?

Or do we now have:

JR, JR-spectrum, Spectrum, radios.
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10-08-2011 02:01 AM  8 years ago
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Satellite Placement Questions ­čôĚ
wifeorheli 7 586 10-08-2011 02:01 AM
Zaneman007
Zaneman007

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Excellent resource, wordy but good.

Now I have to look at my antenna placement.
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10-08-2011 12:36 AM  8 years ago
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Satellite Placement Questions ­čôĚ
wifeorheli 7 586 10-08-2011 02:01 AM
Zaneman007
Zaneman007

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Carbon fiber shadow
I am of the opinion that the antenna should not be parallel to(laying against) the carbon fiber.

In the photos shown, my only recommendation would be to move the antenna that is horizontal away from the CF, same as you have the vertical antenna.

Other than that looks good.
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09-08-2011 11:24 PM  8 years ago
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Align 2n1 ( page 1 2 )
wifeorheli 25 1484 09-09-2011 01:00 AM
wifeorheli
Zaneman007

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2 in 1 voltage, does anyone know what the voltage readings are at each light?

I have read that you should store you battery at 50% capacity.
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05-07-2011 02:31 PM  8 years ago
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JR770 or Spartan Quark ( page 1 2 )
MartyH 20 1607 05-26-2011 11:37 AM
MartyH
Zaneman007

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No Comparison
Buy the spartan and be happy!

Buy the the 770, and listen to other people tell that you didn't set it up correctly?

The choice is yours.
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04-20-2011 01:19 AM  8 years ago
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What am I doing wrong - Gyro issue
bmboll 14 992 04-26-2011 03:09 AM
bmboll
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

I have to agree with richard on this one.

Your motor is speeding up with the additional collective input. It should be the other way around. We should be hearing the blades bite, instead the motor is speeding up.

I run a flat throttle curve, 100 across the board on my 450 in idl2.
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03-19-2011 11:37 PM  8 years ago
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Align 2 in 1
Allen Key 9 705 03-21-2011 10:02 AM
devious17
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

That would be true depending on the servo. There are some pretty high amp servos out there.

But in that case I'd recommend going with high voltage servos, and skipping the regulator.

I'm using the 2 in 1 with 167 in oz servos in a Tex 600 with out issue.
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03-19-2011 11:29 PM  8 years ago
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Align2in1
cstoutr 2 372 03-19-2011 11:46 PM
cstoutr
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

I would not do it!

Or you could blame the resulting fiery crash on the 2 in 1.

Just get another battery.
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03-19-2011 11:24 PM  8 years ago
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Align 2 in 1
Allen Key 9 705 03-21-2011 10:02 AM
devious17
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

.?
Some folks do not like align electronics,period.
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12-26-2010 07:10 PM  8 years ago
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Multi Gov RPM Problem
imranrajputt 9 485 12-27-2010 01:15 AM
rcjon
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

First, 30 rpm is not an issue.

Second, who is to say that the multigov is off?

Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe the tack is off?

The question is.... "is it holding"?
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12-19-2010 01:06 AM  8 years ago
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Servo speed vs. gyro gain?
bustedmp 5 890 12-20-2010 09:02 PM
Richardmid1
Zaneman007

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12-11-2010 05:42 PM  8 years ago
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Gyro on a servo?
Neon Juripuri 1 366 12-11-2010 05:42 PM
Zaneman007
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

I would not mount the gyro directly on top of the servo. The servo puts out an electromagnetic field that may interact with the electronics in the gyro.

Just my 2 cents.
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11-28-2010 02:45 PM  8 years ago
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Voltage Question
joe28 3 381 11-29-2010 01:45 PM
BarracudaHockey
Zaneman007

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You are good. It is OK.

The regulated voltage is the same as a fully charged 4.8v Nicad.
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11-21-2010 04:08 AM  8 years ago
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Align ds410m any good?
xlkb 17 904 11-21-2010 05:00 PM
eggmcmuffinplz
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

The 410s are good servos.

They center way better than the analog Hitec servos.

If you bend metal gears you are hitting it pretty hard, and something has to give.
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11-05-2010 01:25 AM  8 years ago
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JR 9303 and Binding
Dr.J 7 2710 11-06-2010 06:21 PM
Dr.J
Zaneman007

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Ditto that.

You can accidentally bind one receiver and not bind the other.

So you want to make sure that all of the lights are solid, before you take your finger off of the button.
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09-26-2010 02:09 AM  9 years ago
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What is best way to step down 6 volt to 5.3 V for tail servo?
OneHoof 15 5052 02-04-2011 08:30 PM
Four Stroker
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

A diode will drop the voltage by .7 volts as stated above, but....

Unless you are using a regulator, the voltage will vary and...

What is the voltage of the battery under a load?

A step down is effective for a regulated power supply, only.

I'd check the battery voltage under a 1.5 amp load, if it is 6 volts or less you are probably good.

Keep in mind that the battery voltage will be less with every flight
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09-15-2010 02:59 AM  9 years ago
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Where the best price for Multigov Aerospire and servo to this gov
Helimaniak 3 406 09-15-2010 02:59 AM
Zaneman007
Zaneman007

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I was using Futaba 3151 on 6V. They worked fine for about three years.....actually a little more. Then they just got old and sloppy.

I'm currently using whatever I have laying around from an HS85 to an algin DS420. I've been told that the micro servos can not take the vibration. But, I"m using rubber servo rubber grommets between the carbon fiber mounts and the frame. Only time will tell.

IMO an 8717 is a bit much. If you want speed, use a high speed low torque servo. There is no need for a high torque servo on the throttle.

On the other hand, if you have an 8717 just laying around, why not?
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09-13-2010 06:20 PM  9 years ago
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Can someone educate me on the JR 770 3D Gyro
ckombo 7 1143 09-14-2010 07:30 PM
chopper_crazy
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

The 770 DOES NOT set up like a 401.

To get it to work you must set it up per the instructions.

You will either like it or hate it.

IMO - JR doesn't make a good gyro. Futaba or Spartan are the way to go. But that is just my opinion.
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09-12-2010 04:29 AM  9 years ago
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Can someone educate me on the JR 770 3D Gyro
ckombo 7 1143 09-14-2010 07:30 PM
chopper_crazy
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

JR gyros are drift puppies.

Setting them up is simple put the travel to 140, the dual rate to 70, the expo to 30 and the gain to 50 for starters.

The question is: what value do you change for the issues that you are having?
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08-16-2010 04:51 AM  9 years ago
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Lipos and NiCads
ostatebucki1 17 1078 08-17-2010 11:36 PM
CX1
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

IMO

You can not compare lipos to Nicads?

Lipos need to be requlated unless you have high voltage servos.

Nicads do not need to be requlated and will not work with the align 2 in 1. The voltage is to low.
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08-16-2010 12:57 AM  9 years ago
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LiFe batteries ????
Jeff polisena 16 1037 08-16-2010 09:46 PM
Jeff polisena
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

With LiFe's you need to know how many milliamps you heli draws each flight.

Then you need to know the condition of the battery. They will lose capacity over time. And then stop flying after "X" number of flights.

There is no way to voltage test them.
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08-13-2010 07:00 PM  9 years ago
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Is it my gyro? ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 3 )
fung_jeff 46 2165 08-17-2010 08:57 AM
Andy.Kim
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

I had the tail let go on my HK450. Hit me in the arm. The plastic just let go after les than 10 fligts.

Sorry for going off topic.
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08-04-2010 12:07 AM  9 years ago
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Upgrade from 401 gyro ( page 1 2 )
datidun 21 1372 08-04-2010 08:38 PM
datidun
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

The 401 had it's day.
But...... from what I have been told that was years if not a decade ago.

And for almost the same price you can get a high end gyro:

Spartan
Quark
GY520
GY611(will work with any gyro, just access the secret menu)

Personally, the spartan DS720 is my favorite.
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08-03-2010 11:57 PM  9 years ago
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DS 620 on the throttle ? ( page 1 2 )
ArmedForces 20 1914 08-05-2010 06:52 AM
Heli Davey
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

dittoOld Guys Rule!
 

08-03-2010 06:19 PM  9 years ago
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DS 620 on the throttle ? ( page 1 2 )
ArmedForces 20 1914 08-05-2010 06:52 AM
Heli Davey
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

On the "PROS"
I need someone to explain to me, how ones flying ability equates to his knowledge of building, fixing, repairing, and setting up helis.

I know a lot of people who can tune engines, build and set up helis like no other.

Yet, they are not the best flyer.

So, when you say a pro. Please explain. Pro what? I know for a fact some of these so called pros have their own personal mechanic.

Bottom line.

Just because someone is a pro, doesn't mean that they "know it all".

Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for their flying abilities. If they were teaching me a new trick, I'd be all ears.
But..... The rest of it...., yea, I'd listen, they obviously know stuff.

But..... is Justin Jee, an 8 year old, giving out heli set up advice?
 

08-03-2010 06:07 PM  9 years ago
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DS 620 on the throttle ? ( page 1 2 )
ArmedForces 20 1914 08-05-2010 06:52 AM
Heli Davey
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Two cents worth
I'd like to say that:

There is a difference between the throttle servo "leading" the cyclic servos.

verses

The throttle servos being "as fast or faster" than the cyclic servos.

Now:
If you are manually setting up your throttle curve, you want the throttle to lead the cyclic. Ray's authoritative DVD will show you how to do this via set up and program mixes. He is not using a high speed servo to accomplish this.

And,
The engine cannot react as fast as a high speed servo.

Then,
We all use governors which keep the head speed constant, anyway.

IMO
Having said that, as long as you use a servo rated at .21 or faster you are good.

It is all in the setup.

enough said.
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07-20-2010 02:02 AM  9 years ago
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GY520 and BLS251 combo
George Matthews 6 629 07-20-2010 03:03 AM
Puffy929
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Let me get this right.

You are saying the servo controls the gyro functions?
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07-18-2010 04:05 PM  9 years ago
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Talking about Dual Stepdown Tail servo... ­čôĚ
Rojoalfa 12 924 07-26-2010 05:01 AM
Heli 770
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

I'm not buying the "by design" concept. The diodes are installed at the factory. If they are putting stuff together any which way, I don't think that I'd be doing business with them.

But then, It's not my money that you are spending.

I would be curious to hear what they said went you sent it back.
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07-18-2010 03:55 PM  9 years ago
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Talking about Dual Stepdown Tail servo... ­čôĚ
Rojoalfa 12 924 07-26-2010 05:01 AM
Heli 770
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

Yep, only one of those diodes is working to step down the voltage. The other is.... Doing nothing for you. If both were facing the same way it would allow it to handle more current or you could use a bigger diode.

I'd send it back!
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07-10-2010 06:34 PM  9 years ago
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GY 611 setup mystery... ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 )
Chowdher 21 1812 07-21-2010 05:03 PM
Chowdher
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

You may want to try some zeal tape. It works well.

Just an idea.
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06-07-2010 06:20 PM  9 years ago
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Gyros getting ridiculous. ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 3 4 ... Last page )
Aaron29 187 9495 08-01-2010 02:10 AM
hootowl
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

GY611
Where is the manual for the hidden menu settings?
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06-06-2010 04:31 PM  9 years ago
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Gyros getting ridiculous. ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 3 4 ... Last page )
Aaron29 187 9495 08-01-2010 02:10 AM
hootowl
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

iPhone
+1 on the iPhone.

I'd love to be able to access the spartan, multigov and all other devices on the iphone.

Why doesn't mikado do that?
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06-06-2010 03:46 PM  9 years ago
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Gyros getting ridiculous. ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 3 4 ... Last page )
Aaron29 187 9495 08-01-2010 02:10 AM
hootowl
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

I agree that you shouldn't need a computer to tweak on your gyro or other electronics at the field.

On the other hand..........

Take the spartan DS760 for example, you can set it up through the radio, and that works for me. The stuff on the computer [not accessibly through the radio] is mostly for advanced users.

Computers only.....

Yea, that's a good point. I've seen guys at the field with laptops to set up flybarless systems. That is a little intense for me.

But, is the hobby going that way? I have the mulitgov. I carry the screen in my radio box, always. And, I am good with that.
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05-31-2010 04:36 AM  9 years ago
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GY611 ok to go above 37% gain?
Richardmid1 5 561 05-31-2010 07:33 AM
Richardmid1
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

I would recommend that you adjust the limits to get as close to 100% as posible, as recommended in the manual.Old Guys Rule!
 
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