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11-20-2012 04:17 AM  6 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
Beam E4 SE
dpelletier 10 2872 01-13-2013 03:42 AM
dpelletier
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Rappy,

I would suggest you get the SE right away, you will not be disappointed with it at all. The original Beam is a great little heli.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

11-19-2012 04:27 PM  6 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
Beam E4 SE
dpelletier 10 2872 01-13-2013 03:42 AM
dpelletier
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Looks like a sweet little machine. I have the original Beam and it's been fantastic, great flying heli.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

09-25-2012 09:34 PM  7 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
Beam E4 Version 1 went FBL
dpelletier 8 2576 11-12-2012 03:03 AM
dpelletier
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

I'm thinking about converting my Beam to FBL too. Which head did you use? Do you get your parts from A-Main?

Thanks,

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

09-22-2012 06:02 PM  7 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - AleeS
heres a few pics of my bulid ­čôĚ
codfish124 13 3051 10-02-2012 03:51 PM
GabrielB1231
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Cool video. I think you have too much time on your hands.To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

04-02-2012 02:51 AM  7 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
Dusted off the ole Beam E4
Life_Nerd 2 2017 04-07-2012 01:48 PM
fla heli boy
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Amain Hobbies, they have quite a good selection.To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

10-08-2011 05:49 PM  8 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
Beam 600E ??? ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 )
BladeStrikes 34 7205 06-25-2012 03:32 PM
NLDIRENZO
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

I have been hearing rumors about the 600E for some time now but haven't seen one yet.

Amainhobbies carries Beam parts for the 450. Beam 450 Parts

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

04-04-2011 03:52 PM  8 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
Can't get my blades to track
SurfCity 5 1883 04-04-2011 04:36 PM
Pistol Pete
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Have you tried a different set of blades? I had the same problem a couple of years ago and it was the blades. Have you weighed the blades?

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

06-17-2010 04:27 PM  9 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Next-D
NO money to continue the same failure. Have to give up ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 3 4 )
skipain 69 4373 08-26-2010 09:21 PM
Buzzin Brian
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Now that is service! Great job Brian and team Youngblood.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

03-21-2010 11:44 PM  9 years ago
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Closed ••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
Finally back in the air... ­čôĚ
n808 14 1604 03-24-2010 03:49 PM
n808
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Align
There is the problem right there.

I would try a different set of blades. What is the weight difference between the blades?

Jeff

I had a set of stock Beam blades that were causing a major vibration. A set of Radix blades fixed that problem.
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

03-21-2010 11:21 PM  9 years ago
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Closed ••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
Finally back in the air... ­čôĚ
n808 14 1604 03-24-2010 03:49 PM
n808
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Are these the stock blades?To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

03-21-2010 11:15 PM  9 years ago
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Closed ••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
Finally back in the air... ­čôĚ
n808 14 1604 03-24-2010 03:49 PM
n808
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Never have had an issue with mine and I use red loctite. I tend to use quite a bit on these types of bearings. I will probably have to bake them to get them out.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

01-07-2010 09:25 PM  9 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
NA Delivery of Beam E4 V2 Advantage???
rnkasp 9 2931 02-09-2010 03:26 AM
Griffin
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

For some reason when I paste the link RR doesn't post it correctly
You have to pay to play here, the site is probably banned.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

09-13-2009 05:03 PM  10 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
Perfect tracking ÔÇö NOT!
MtnMac 3 967 09-13-2009 05:03 PM
cdrking
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

http://runryder.com/t506426p1/To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

08-15-2009 04:11 PM  10 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Next-D
I will call him MINI ME! Updated! Pulled the trigger! ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 3 )
thenewguy 47 3177 09-03-2009 12:14 AM
bathmagic
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Looks great!To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

08-12-2009 01:35 AM  10 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Next-D
I will call him MINI ME! Updated! Pulled the trigger! ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 3 )
thenewguy 47 3177 09-03-2009 12:14 AM
bathmagic
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Excellent! I can't wait to fly it.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

08-11-2009 06:46 AM  10 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
beam e4 swashplate
Spinky 7 2108 08-15-2009 10:21 AM
Spinky
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

It should fit perfectly.To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

08-10-2009 09:47 PM  10 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
beam e4 swashplate
Spinky 7 2108 08-15-2009 10:21 AM
Spinky
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

You will be very happy with the Beam swashplate, or you could just get an entire Beam. The main reason I got rid of my Trex 450 was the slop in the swash. The really nice thing about the Beam swashplate is that it's serviceable, you can take it apart and change whatever parts you need to change. You can also set the ball, by that I mean you can sand the plastic uniball guides and set how tight you want it.

That being said, I have quite a few flights on my current Beam and the swash shows no signs of loosening. It still flies very nice.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

08-05-2009 02:24 AM  10 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - E-Sky
Odds of getting hit by a thrown blade ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 )
Melnic 25 1190 08-06-2009 05:50 PM
Gyronut
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

http://runryder.com/t527803p1/To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

07-09-2009 01:45 AM  10 years ago
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Closed ••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Next-D
Rave 90
inkspot1967 8 1148 07-09-2009 02:59 AM
rapidity
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

I'm surprised it's taken this long to get the news out.To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

06-15-2009 02:34 PM  10 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
Beam sports ­čôĚ
Daniel Kim 6 1530 06-21-2009 01:07 PM
Heli Bob
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Daniel,

I believe there is a translation problem. Would you like to see some pictures of Beams owned by other people? Do you have a Beam?

I own one and it flies fantastic. I have the following in mine.

Beam Kit (stock)
Neu 1107/1.5 motor (12t pinion)
HS6065MG cyclic servos
Spartan gyro with Futaba 9257 tail servo
Jazz 40 ESC

I will snap some pictures of mine and post them.

Best regards,

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

06-04-2009 07:10 PM  10 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
Trueblood Dampers
jamesppp 2 767 06-04-2009 07:10 PM
cdrking
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

I tried them and they are way too loose IMO.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

05-14-2009 02:36 AM  10 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
What Dampners for Beam? ( page 1 2 )
Jag72 22 2308 06-09-2009 11:54 AM
ECOHELI
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

I ordered the Trueblood V1 dampers and they are sloppy as can be. I don't understand how people are using them.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

05-06-2009 10:17 PM  10 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
What Dampners for Beam? ( page 1 2 )
Jag72 22 2308 06-09-2009 11:54 AM
ECOHELI
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

I'm doing the same thing. Change them often. I would like some other options though.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

05-04-2009 02:48 AM  10 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - E-Sky
Please help me out with this calculation.
racin06 11 473 05-08-2009 02:30 AM
racin06
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Found this on RC Groups. I'm not that smart.

lipo capacity: 2200mAh
Divde that by 1000 to get A/h = 2.2

Take 2.2 and divide by the AMPS you will be pulling (i'm pulling 50):
2.2/50 = .044 <-- This is how many housr you can fly

Tkae the number times 60 to get minutes

.044 * 60 = 2.64

so in general:
M/A*60 = runtime in minutes
where M = lipo capacity in AMP HOURS (take mAh that is printed on the lipo and divde by 1000)
A = AMPS you will be pulling.
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

04-29-2009 07:17 PM  10 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
beam stronger/metal servo horns for hs65/hs5065 ­čôĚ
mmc205 18 2310 05-02-2009 12:06 AM
Heli Bob
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

whats an i-pot?
It's one of those electronic pot smokers.
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

04-16-2009 05:45 AM  10 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
new beam canopy ­čôĚ
remotemadness 8 1116 04-20-2009 01:01 AM
remotemadness
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Very nice!To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

04-03-2009 03:44 AM  10 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
my beam e4 with a123 batery ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 )
Heli Bob 21 1866 04-29-2009 07:39 PM
Heli Bob
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

What are the specs of your battery? Also what ESC are you using? Do you have a data logger to post some results of the run. What headspeed are you getting with this setup?

Thanks for the info.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

12-11-2008 04:53 AM  10 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
Help, New Beam-Need Motor, Speed controller
PaulGT3 16 1939 02-03-2009 07:14 AM
Big Fil
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

I second the Scorpion HK 2221-8 V2. I would also recommend the Jazz 40 speed controller.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

07-02-2008 05:58 AM  11 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - E-Sky
excellant control exercise
fenderstrat 3 439 07-02-2008 03:13 PM
toolman18
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

It worked for Curtis.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

02-10-2008 05:10 AM  11 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - E-Sky
NW RC Expo
Gregor99 11 438 02-11-2008 01:07 PM
DougsRC
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

as usual they have never heard of it or flown one, go figure those guys are Trex snobs anyway, to them Trexs' are the ****, yeah whatever...
Are you specifically talking about someone from the Northwest????

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

01-30-2008 11:49 PM  11 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - E-Sky
"Lets Disagree & Be Friends" No Room 4 Anger ­čôĚ
Texas Dar 14 545 01-31-2008 09:22 PM
Texas Dar
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

I read the first part where it said WoW and then I lost interest.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

01-02-2008 05:18 AM  11 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - E-Sky
ar6100 and ar7100 RXs, whats the difference?
Sgt Heli 4 389 01-02-2008 05:46 AM
Sgt Heli
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

3 grand minimum to get going the correct way in the hobby. That's what I tell people.To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

11-13-2007 05:53 AM  11 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Ark
What Am I Going to Do With This Mess? ­čôĚ
TheMan 10 1909 02-07-2008 04:22 PM
SPO 4
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Cut the black wire. Or maybe the yellow one.To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

10-02-2007 05:10 PM  12 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters New or Limited Activity
New 450 size heli form MA??? ( page 1 2 3 )
vfinohio 45 3319 10-09-2007 07:22 PM
raptor83
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

hope does not weigh 5lbs and does not have the large MA head on it.
I'm sure it will only weigh about 4.5 lbs and have a large MA head on it.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

10-02-2007 04:20 PM  12 years ago
TopicTopic StarterReplyViewLast Post
••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters New or Limited Activity
New 450 size heli form MA??? ( page 1 2 3 )
vfinohio 45 3319 10-09-2007 07:22 PM
raptor83
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

I heard they jumped the gun and started calling it THEIR Beam. They (MA) were just going to be the distributer and they promoted it as their design. I don't think that went over very well the Beam people.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

09-30-2007 07:12 AM  12 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters New or Limited Activity
"MA" Beam, where is it?
cdrking 3 670 10-04-2007 11:02 PM
E - 4
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

"MA" Beam, where is it?
Heard a rumor that MA jumped the gun on being a distributor for the Beam. Any truth to it?

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

09-26-2007 12:01 AM  12 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Beam
Build thread for BEAM E4 ­čôĚ ( page 1 2 3 )
yapjy 42 9703 02-03-2008 11:36 AM
ammo
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Wonder why Miniature isn't listed as a dealer?

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

11-28-2006 05:47 AM  12 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - MS Composit
Eliminating Vibrations.....
Razmo 4 783 11-28-2006 04:47 PM
Razmo
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

I think it means just buy a Trexx.

Sorry I couldn't resist. I had a Hornet a long time ago and hated the thing. Don't have a Trexx but I have flown a few and they are much better.

You could just contact Eric on the other site. He's very helpful.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

09-08-2004 06:32 PM  15 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Zoom
10x, gyro gain useing gear switch???
Jeff Palmer 7 520 09-09-2004 03:50 AM
Jeff Palmer
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

On the micros I don't think you will be able to use that much gain (80%). On my Hornet II I can only use about 55% in heading hold with a GY401.

Depends which gyro. I would try a much lower setting of about 40/55%.

I don't know how the Zooms work with that much gain.

Jeff
 

09-08-2004 04:46 PM  15 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Zoom
10x, gyro gain useing gear switch???
Jeff Palmer 7 520 09-09-2004 03:50 AM
Jeff Palmer
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

To activate the gear channel use CODE 17

To adjust gain on the gear channel use CODE 12

If you need more info post again and I will add more.

Jeff
 

07-21-2004 05:26 AM  15 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - MS Composit
hornet II manel need a copy were to get??
littlepiston 2 511 07-21-2004 06:37 AM
littlepiston
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Hornet Manual

Here you go.
 

06-22-2004 06:05 AM  15 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Zoom
hacker or himax?
novetec 13 962 06-22-2004 06:27 PM
Mike_Y
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

I am running the Hi Max 2015-4100. Yes I've heard that the Hacker has more power and is an excellent motor. I chose the Hi Max because of the price. I did not want to sink a bunch of money into my Hornet.

I have pics in my gallery. I just flew my Hornet a bunch this weekend and it is flying great.

Jeff
 

06-22-2004 12:31 AM  15 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - Zoom
hacker or himax?
novetec 13 962 06-22-2004 06:27 PM
Mike_Y
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

If you want to spend more HACKER ($109)

If you want to spend less HI MAX (Paid $54 shipped)

I run the hi max and I can 3D it no problem for 12 mins with TP1320s and a 12T pinion.

Jeff
 

05-21-2004 05:31 PM  15 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - MS Composit
Throttle/Pitch curves so no tail kick out
helicopter34 3 689 05-26-2004 08:52 AM
helicopter34
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

I had the same problem. The cause was the pitch on the tail rotor was not setup properly. I rechecked the instructions and found that I had not set it up with the pitch 30mm. Some say you don't need the full 30mm and that 25 will work. But I misread the intructions and put 30mm in both directions. It should be 30mm with the blades feathered in the one direction.

Hope this helps. Just follow in the instructions carefully.

Jeff
 

05-06-2004 10:10 PM  15 years ago
TopicTopic StarterReplyViewLast Post
••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - MS Composit
Himax 4100 has more power than Hacker 20-22.
nedyah 6 724 05-07-2004 06:16 AM
tabbytabb
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

I'm running a Hi Max 2015-4100 with a 12T pinion and it screams. I don't know what the headspeed is but I get about 12 mins of 3D flying. It's flying great.

Hey Tabb how's it going?

Jeff
 

04-27-2004 03:00 AM  15 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - MS Composit
Battery Question
Gary Jenkins 8 637 04-30-2004 05:28 AM
KevinDark2977
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Gary,

I'm running 3 cell Thunder Power 1320s and get about 12mins 3D with a 12T pinion. I am sure with a lower tooth pinion you could get more time but less 3D out of it.

Jeff
 

03-20-2004 04:09 AM  15 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - MS Composit
H2 Tail "letting go" inverted
cdrking 7 642 03-20-2004 03:10 PM
hornet dave
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Thanks Dave, I was hoping you would respond. I now see my error after looking at the directions. One question though, after I make the adjustments won't that affect total travel? It seems there would be binding no matter what in one direction or the other after I change it.

I will rerig it using this method.

Thanks,

Jeff
 

03-20-2004 02:32 AM  15 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - MS Composit
H2 Tail "letting go" inverted
cdrking 7 642 03-20-2004 03:10 PM
hornet dave
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Bump


Jeff
 

03-20-2004 01:53 AM  15 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - MS Composit
H2 Tail "letting go" inverted
cdrking 7 642 03-20-2004 03:10 PM
hornet dave
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

I don't know how the speed up gears work for sure. I do know that there are many that fly the Hornet II completely stock and have excellent luck with the tail holding.

I may have read somewhere where the others Hornets benefit from the speed up gears and not the Hornet II. I may be wrong on this one though.

Thanks for the post.


Jeff
 

03-20-2004 12:27 AM  15 years ago
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••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - MS Composit
H2 Tail "letting go" inverted
cdrking 7 642 03-20-2004 03:10 PM
hornet dave
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

H2 Tail "letting go" inverted
My setup:

Hornet II
Hi Max 2015-4100
Thunder Power 1320s (Triton charger)
Phoenix-25
Electron 6 receiver
HS-55s cyclic
HS-50 Tail on Fin
GY401
12T Pinion

I have been flying my Hornet for about 10 flights or so and when climbing out inverted the tail will not hold. It only does it when I'm near max negative pitch.

I don't know if it's bogging. I am running the 12T pinion and the headspeed seems fine. I don't have a tach that goes that high but I would guess it's at least 2,600 RPM.

My tail blades pivot freely and there's no wag in a hover or forward flight. I have the pivot points lubed very good. When doing all other manuvers it holds fine. I've gotten rid of any binding in the tail and without the servo attached the linkages all move very smooth.

I also have excellent pitch travel in both directions on the tail blades. I have at least 30mm each direction as stated in the directions.

Any ideas would be great. I have pictures in my gallery if you see anything wrong let me know.

Thanks,

Jeff
 

03-17-2004 01:56 AM  15 years ago
TopicTopic StarterReplyViewLast Post
••­čÜüHelicopter e-Elec-Helicopters - MS Composit
Best Way Mount Receiver & Battery on H2?
Draxus 4 561 03-17-2004 03:51 AM
yf22k
cdrking

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I too used double sided tape. I have some pics in my gallery.


Jeff
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03-16-2004 10:09 PM  15 years ago
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Himax or Hacker?
d12bn 9 971 03-23-2004 06:36 PM
sharam
cdrking

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d12bn ,

I have been using the Hi Max 2105-4100 and it flies great. Like Phil said the Hacker is more powerful from what many have said. I may try the Hacker sometime but the Hi Max is great for the price. I had trouble finding someone that carried the Hacker so I just bought a Hi Max.


Phil,

So aircraft-world is reliable? Did you pay via paypal? I would like to try the Hacker sometime but haven't found anyone in the US the has one in stock.

Thanks,

Jeff
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03-11-2004 12:00 AM  15 years ago
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tail boom support question on H2 / vibrations
wes-powell 6 578 03-15-2004 02:01 AM
wes-powell
cdrking

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Wes,

It seems a bit odd that you're getting that much vibration. I wouldn't think that it would cause that much vibs.

I glued mine and have no vibs at all. I too use a GY401 with excellent results. I don't know why some are recommending the 240. I like the idea of being able to adjust the gain from the radio since these little things are so picky with tail setup. I don't know if the 240 has that ability.

I had to take my boom support off after a blade/boom strike and just used debonder to take the boom supports and boom bracket off. It took a few applications but it worked fine.

I would say glue them. I have also heard that is one of the reasons the Hornet II works so well is the boom supports. I would think this allows the gain to be set higher and you may get better tail holding with the help of the support on the boom.

Good luck with your machine. I almost gave up on mine but glad I didn't, it flys great.

Now I just have to find a way to bring it on the road with me.

Jeff
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03-08-2004 04:18 AM  15 years ago
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Hornet II Tail issue
snetrich 8 712 03-08-2004 04:18 AM
cdrking
cdrking

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Seattle

Yes blades turning clockwise. The other thing I just thought of is the pitch on the tail blades. Are you getting the full 30mm each way? If not maybe there's not enought pitch to counteract the torque. Just brainstorming, it sounds like you've thought of quite a few things.

Hmmmm it's a brain bender. It's usually something simple, at least when I make mistakes they are.

Jeff
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03-08-2004 03:55 AM  15 years ago
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Hornet II Tail issue
snetrich 8 712 03-08-2004 04:18 AM
cdrking
cdrking

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Seattle

I know this is a stupid question but is the motor wired correctly? I don't know about the MS motor but on mine you can wire it so the blades turn the wrong way.

I'm out of ideas. If it's not the gyro or gyro switching or servo direction not sure what it would be.

Jeff
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03-08-2004 03:49 AM  15 years ago
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Hornet II Tail issue
snetrich 8 712 03-08-2004 04:18 AM
cdrking
cdrking

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Rich,

I'm using the hole that's near the servo screw, first one.

Which radio are you using? You may want to confirm revo mix is off as suggested in the above post.

Jeff
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03-08-2004 03:13 AM  15 years ago
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Hornet II Tail issue
snetrich 8 712 03-08-2004 04:18 AM
cdrking
cdrking

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Seattle

You've probably checked it but have you reversed the servo channel in the radio? I had the same problem.

I doubt that it's a headspeed issue. I am running a Hi Max brushless motor with a 12T pinion and the headspeed is screaming.

Was just out flying my Hornet tonight and it is flying great. Pics in my gallery.

Jeff
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03-06-2004 04:55 PM  15 years ago
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Best Receiver Antenna
Gary Jenkins 7 743 03-08-2004 04:47 PM
pbmax
cdrking

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Seattle

Gary,

If you look in my gallery you'll see my homemade one out of an ink pen. I have a micro antenna but my Hornet balances just right the way it is so I'll probably leave it the way it is.

Jeff
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03-02-2004 03:27 AM  15 years ago
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another crash
hornet dave 10 867 03-06-2004 07:40 AM
wes-powell
cdrking

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Seattle

Hey Tabb so you got a Raptor eh. I was out flying my 50 today even though I'm sick as a dog.

I put a super tiger carb on my OS50 and it runs great now.

We'll have to get together and burn some fuel.

hornet dave,

Yes I think a larger heli will help you advance. The micros are fun but they just don't have the stability to really get good. I like to auto and the micros just can't do the inverted autos and piro autos too.

It's all good fun though.

Jeff
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02-28-2004 07:37 PM  15 years ago
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2 li cells with himax 2015 1400?
pistol 74 9 640 02-29-2004 04:39 AM
Dennis (RIP)
cdrking

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It may not be getting that hot than. I bought a temp gauge for $25 it's a cool little gadget. I really don't know what too hot is for these motors. Maybe someone else can answer that one.

Which gyro do you have? I too had some wag but got rid of it. There's a lot of info on it here. The main thing is to have a properly lubed and drag free tail system. I unhooked my servo and moved the linkage and noticed I had quite a bit of drag/binding. I also didn't have the screws that go into the hub lubed properly. Once I redid the tail it worked great. It's now very solid and no wag.

Jeff
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02-28-2004 07:03 PM  15 years ago
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2 li cells with himax 2015 1400?
pistol 74 9 640 02-29-2004 04:39 AM
Dennis (RIP)
cdrking

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No I didn't get your email, don't know why.

I think the problem is the two cells. I don't think with a 10T pinion the motor would get hot unless maybe you have some binding problems in the drivetrain.

I would call Thunder Power on Monday and ask them about the 2 cell vs. 3 cell. One of the guys there is very knowledgable about heli applications.

You could either buy a new battery or another cell and solder a third cell on. I am fairly adept at soldering but I wouldn't attempt it myself. I just don't feel comfortable with these Li-Poly batteries yet.

By the way with my Hi-Max and Thunder Power 3 cell 1320s I am running a motor temp of about 117 degrees F after a 10 or 12 min flight. With that temp I am able to touch the motor for quite a few seconds after flight. My battery temps are running about 83 to 87 degrees F after the same amount of flight time.

Good luck with fixing your warm motor.

Jeff
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02-28-2004 06:43 AM  15 years ago
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2 li cells with himax 2015 1400?
pistol 74 9 640 02-29-2004 04:39 AM
Dennis (RIP)
cdrking

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I use a 12T pinion although my headspeed is screaming. I think a 11T or even a 10T would work. I do like the responsivness though.

I painted the canopy from the inside. The reason the windshield is white is because I tried using the windshield tint paint and it ran all over the place. I just wiped it off and used the "color backing" paint for the last coat, which was actually the first coat for the windshield. The next one I do will be orange and bright yellow. These little things are hard to see so I want it to stand out.

Jeff
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02-28-2004 05:21 AM  15 years ago
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2 li cells with himax 2015 1400?
pistol 74 9 640 02-29-2004 04:39 AM
Dennis (RIP)
cdrking

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I too have a Hi Max 2015-4100 and I use 3 cell Thunder Power 1320s and I use a Phoenix 25. I am new to electrics also, but have had very good luck with getting my Hornet flying very well.

I suspect that the brushless motors need the extra voltage of having 3 cells. I wouldn't use the 2 cells anymore, if I were you. I don't the specifics as to why they use 3 cells but I am sure someone will chime in here and let us know. If you call Thunder Power and ask this specific question I am sure they would be able to answer it.

I am not running in the governor mode, I programmed my own throttle curves. It runs well this way but I too would like try the governor mode.

I don't know what the throttle ATVs would have to be set to so the controller will know what is full throttle and what is not. I have my ATVs at 100% but I don't know if the controller recognizes this as being full throttle.

I am sure someone with more experience will post here.

I have some pics in my gallery of the equipment I have on my Hornet.

Good luck.

Jeff
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02-26-2004 12:56 AM  15 years ago
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hornet 2 tail vibration
RAPPY1 3 688 02-26-2004 11:50 PM
pbmax
cdrking

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If I were to guess it's in the tail gear mesh. When you rotate the rotor head, with one finger lightly pushing against the flybar is there smooth movement throughout the rotation? If not I would say there's a problem with gears. Try to eliminate each section of gear mesh, i.e., motor to main gear, main gear to tail drive, tail to tail and so on. Make sure everyone is very smooth. Also the spacer in the tail is another thing to check. Another item to get smooth is the tail bell crank. disconnect the tail servo and move the bell crank. It should move VERY smooth. If not then check for binding and lube the screws that go into the tail hub. This is the pivot point for the tail feathering. It should be very, very smooth.

I am sure others will have more ideas too. My Hornet II tail is very smooth and holds really well. I too have a GY401 with a HS-50 servo.

Good luck.

Jeff
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02-25-2004 12:43 AM  15 years ago
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Upgrade (Hornet II)
FlynHeli 4 1105 05-17-2004 04:35 PM
M^ck^y
cdrking

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Seattle

I don't use this head so keep that in mind. I have heard by many that it's a complete waste of money. I've heard that it doesn't fly that well with it.

I have a Hornet II with a Hi-Max motor and Thunder Power 1320s in it and if flys excellent. No upgrades, I just put the tail servo on the tail fin.

I have changed my way of thinking over the years with helis. I used to buy all the upgrades and make it look cool. I now fly all stock when possible, unless something makes the machine fly better.

This hobby is expensive enough and I like to spend my money on fuel for my nitro machines and batterys for the electrics.

If you have unlimited funds go for it. It is nice to have the shiny stuff if you can afford it.

Just my opinion and I am sure there are others out there.

Jeff
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02-22-2004 05:41 PM  15 years ago
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Pinion Question
Gary Jenkins 2 601 02-22-2004 06:17 PM
dnts
cdrking

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I don't know about the other motors but the Hi-Max has a 2mm shaft. I too didn't like the idea of having no set screw to hold the pinion. But as it was explained to me something has to give in a crash. I have been using a plastic pinion now for about 10 flights or so and it works fine.

I roughed up the shaft just a bit with sandpaper and then JB welded it onto the shaft. I used very little. I then changed pinions and the second time around I used just a dab of epoxy. If you can't get the pinion off when needed with a pinion puller or press you can just cut it off.

I like the idea of less expensive parts like the plastic pinions. I am sure the metal pinions work too but I just like the cheaper way better.

Jeff
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02-19-2004 04:42 PM  15 years ago
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Hacker
Qrrambero 8 800 02-24-2004 08:10 AM
thelaw
cdrking

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Wes,

I haven't adjusted the delay yet. I have been just tweaking the gain and have it to 50% if I remember correctly. I have not put my heli on a diet yet.

The balance is very good. When checking longitudinal balance, with flybar out to the sides and then lifting with the fingers it sits just a touch, I mean a touch with the rear of the skids lower than the front. I have always balanced my nitro machines so that the rear of the skids are about 3/8" above the surface. So if you compare then the Hornet is just a few grams tail heavy. That's why I'm hesitant to start taking things off. Although my Phoenix 25 is heavier than a Phoenix 10.

The lateral balance is perfect. I have a micro antenna but I don't think I'll use it because I may screw up the way it balances now. I just used a ink pen case and coiled my antenna around a shaft and then inserted into the ink pen case and then just glued the end a bit with hot glue. A bit heavy but it flys nice so I won't mess with it.

I read in a post here on RR by a guy who has been flying the Hornet stock with great results is that maybe we're getting too wrapped up in getting the weight down. With less weight comes less stability. It may be true.

Have fun with it. I was very skeptical at first but I finally got it flying very nice. I've done a couple of tail stand takeoffs and it really performs sweet.

Jeff
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02-19-2004 05:56 AM  15 years ago
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Hacker
Qrrambero 8 800 02-24-2004 08:10 AM
thelaw
cdrking

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Wes,

I am running a 12T pinion on the Hi Max. I wanted an eleven tooth but I didn't have one on hand and didn't want to wait for one. I tried the 12T and am really happy with it. I don't know what the headspeed is but I like it. I don't know with these little machines, how much is too much.

It's running great now. I did some flying outdoors on a calm day last week. I did some loops, rolls, flips, backwards flight with some backward rolls thrown in.

For the price I think the Hi Max is great. I have some pics in my gallery.

Jef
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02-19-2004 04:48 AM  15 years ago
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Hacker
Qrrambero 8 800 02-24-2004 08:10 AM
thelaw
cdrking

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I'm using the Hi Max 2015-4100. This motor works great so far and I have excellent power. It's half the price of a Hacker. I too wanted the Hacker but if no one carries it then why bother.

Jeff
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02-17-2004 09:54 PM  15 years ago
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Last Minute Tips for New Hornet 2 ??
Alfster 3 862 02-19-2004 02:01 AM
ozheli
cdrking

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Alfster,

I too was in a similar situation as you, flying nitro and then trying the Hornet II.

It was a bit of a different mindset to build this little thing. At first I thought there was a mistake when the postman came to the door. I thought something was missing. That was it though, it's very small.

I too searched and read and read everything about the H2. I took what I thought was good info and kept it and tossed what I thought was bad info. Mostly good though.

You can see pics of my Hornet in my gallery and you will see how I mounted the tail servo. The rest is stock. Mine flys really nice this way. The big thing I would say is make the tail pitch slider moves as free as possible, no binding at all. It took me a while to get it but it works great now. Also the gear mesh with all gears, this also took a few trys to get it perfect.

The only thing that's not stock is the tail setup. I don't think the upgrades are worth it. Some may like them but it's more money. Also with the tail setup make sure to follow the directions exactly with the assembly of the tail hub and pivot screws. This is where I found mine binding.

I am getting 12 min flights with Thunder Power 1320 batteries. In that 12 mins I am doing flips, rolls, loops, backward flight, hovering, upright and inverted. It's a great little machine.

You'll have fun when you get it setup smooth. Hope this helps some.

Jeff
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02-16-2004 06:09 PM  15 years ago
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H-2 LANDING SKIDS SAGGING
East Coast Tanics 16 714 02-19-2004 02:36 AM
yf22k
cdrking

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Seattle

You could tie a piece of string and pinch the skids back to where they need to be. I've seen guys do this with nitro machines, although they were using tie wraps. Just to save weight you may want to use something lighter.

Jeff
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02-16-2004 03:18 AM  15 years ago
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Headspeed on Hornet II
topaze98 6 704 02-16-2004 04:08 AM
tabbytabb
cdrking

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Seattle

Also where can I get a tach that will go high enough for the Hornet?

Thanks,

Jeff
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02-16-2004 03:17 AM  15 years ago
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Headspeed on Hornet II
topaze98 6 704 02-16-2004 04:08 AM
tabbytabb
cdrking

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I flew mine for a couple of flights today and noticed that the tracking is off a bit. How do I correc this on the Hornet? I know how on nitro helis but there doesn't appear to be a link that can be adjusted.

Jeff
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02-16-2004 03:14 AM  15 years ago
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H-2 LANDING SKIDS SAGGING
East Coast Tanics 16 714 02-19-2004 02:36 AM
yf22k
cdrking

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Hey Brendin,

Are you guys going to be flying indoors at the airport this coming Thursday? I have a trip up to Edmonton and may bring my heli. I got my Hornet flying real good. I will arrive on Tuesday and leave on Friday sometime so thought I would give it a try. I'll have to see if I have room for the heli and see if I can find a box or someway to transport it.

May see you up there.

Jeff
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02-16-2004 01:36 AM  15 years ago
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Headspeed on Hornet II
topaze98 6 704 02-16-2004 04:08 AM
tabbytabb
cdrking

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I am running a Hi-Max 2015-4100 also along with a 12T pinion. I am using a Phoenix 25 ESC though. I also am running Thunder Power 1320s

I am not sure what the headspeed is but a wild guess would be 2700+ I don't have a tach that goes that high.

Mine is flying really good. Was out today doing some flips, rolls and backward flying and inverted hovering and it really is smooth.

I don't have a pitch gauge either but what I found was that I had too much pitch and it was bogging down quite a bit so I reduced the pitch some and that helped.

Good luck getting it flying. You will enjoy it.

Jeff
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02-15-2004 06:01 PM  15 years ago
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Newbie First Time Hovering My Hornet II
snsn 5 669 02-15-2004 06:51 PM
MrDHEJ
cdrking

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Seattle

If you could post your setup that would be helpful. Radio, motor, ESC, batteries, etc.

I am new to micros but not new to helis. I've setup nitro machines for years and this little Hornet was a bit different.

Although learning to fly on a micro is not impossible I would think it would be challenging. My friend learned on a Humming bird and he does great.

First off I would suggest a set of training gear. I don't know who makes them for micros but I'm sure you can make your own too.

I would also suggest you put some expo into your radio. This makes the cyclic control less sensitive around the center point. Then as you progress you can take that out if you like. I am familiar with JR radios only, so you would put in +expo, on Futaba radios it's negative to get the same results. I am running about +15%. You can try more and see how you like it or if you don't like it don't put that much. It's really up to you.

On my Hornet I have the normal setup with a bit lower headspeed. I think this would be helpful to a beginning flyer. I run a linear throttle curve in Normal mode. I don't know if this is the way others do it but it works for me.

I just reread your post about you having a Eclipse 7 radio. There should be a section in the manual about Exponential setting. I found an online manual for your radio and it appears that on Page 20 it explains expo.

Hope this helps out. I would also say just take it slow and keep working on the sim.

Jeff
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02-14-2004 08:14 PM  15 years ago
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Another Hornet II is Born ­čôĚ
cdrking 6 2206 02-14-2004 08:14 PM
cdrking
cdrking

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You may have to raise the ceiling I have to go to work next week and won't return until Friday. Maybe the next week though.

Took out the Fury the two nice weather days we had. What a blast!

Thanks for your help with my Hornet Tabb.

Jeff
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02-14-2004 07:09 AM  15 years ago
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cdrking 0 507 02-14-2004 07:09 AM
cdrking
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Hornet II pitch question
I don't have a pitch gauge that works with the Hornet so I am wondering how much pitch is mechanically possible with a stock Hornet II?

I think I may have too much pitch because while I'm inverted and climb out fast the headspeed bogs a little.

See this post for my setup.

Thanks,

Jeff
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02-14-2004 06:47 AM  15 years ago
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Another Hornet II is Born ­čôĚ
cdrking 6 2206 02-14-2004 08:14 PM
cdrking
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Madman,

I had the gain up around 55% for hovering and then took it out today to rip around for the first time. I had to lower it down to around 50% if I remember correctly.

Yeah this little thing is a blast. At first I really wasn't sure about it but I am having a blast with it. I hope to get a case for it so I can take it on the road with me when I "work".

I haven't checked the lateral balance on it but the as far as on the skids it's level when balancing from the flybar. My plan now is to put it on a diet and try to get rid of some weight. If you notice in the pic my antenna is a body of an ink pen. I coiled the wire around a small dowel and then inserted it into the the pen body. I just used a bit of hot glue on the end to prevent it from coming out. I have a micro antenna but I may end up messing up my balance.

This is my first micro so it's been a learning experience. Great fun.

Jeff
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02-14-2004 06:09 AM  15 years ago
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cdrking 6 2206 02-14-2004 08:14 PM
cdrking
cdrking

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Seattle

Another Hornet II is Born
My setup:

Hornet II (stock)
Hi Max 2015-4100
Phoenix 25 ESC
Electron 6 receiver
HS-55 on the swash plate
HS-50 mounted on tail fin
GY401 (gain set to 55%) mounted behind main mast on G10 plate
Thunder Power 1320s

It's flying really sweet right now. I took it out today and got a 10-minute flight. I did some loops, rolls and inverted hovering along with some backward flight with some rolls thrown in.

It hovers great with no wag in the tail at all. I hovered for about 10 seconds with my fingers off the throttle/collective. It was a bit windy so I didn't try to fly with fingers off the cyclic.

Thanks for all the advise on RunRyder this helped tremendously.


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02-13-2004 05:56 PM  15 years ago
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Gyro Setup Help!!!
snsn 4 645 02-13-2004 06:30 PM
rcman
cdrking

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I should have clarified too that I am running a Futaba GY401 gyro. I don't know anything about the MS gyro.

Jeff
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02-13-2004 05:55 PM  15 years ago
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Gyro Setup Help!!!
snsn 4 645 02-13-2004 06:30 PM
rcman
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

I had the same problem with mine. Is the servo mounted on the fin? It doesn't have to be but this works for me. First disconnect the tail rotor bell crank/linkage. Move the linkage back and forth, if there is ANY binding or sluggish movement then something is not correct. It should move freely. Also on mine I had to remove the screws that go into the tail rotor hub and relube them. This is where the pivot action should take place. The tail rotor blade root should not be screwed in too far to prevent free pivoting/feathering of the tail blades.

Hope this helps. Hope the local shop isn't charging you. Is it the one in Moonachie? If so they will probably charge you.

My H2 is flying great now.

Jeff
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02-13-2004 04:43 AM  15 years ago
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MrDHEJ 10 746 02-14-2004 04:18 PM
LarryMiranda
cdrking

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Seattle

I bought my Hornet II from DeeTee. He has excellent service. I didn't purchase everything from him but he has the best service.

The Hacker motor is difficult to find. I couldn't find any stores that had them in stock. The Hi-Max motor was only $59 or so.

I went with the following equipment:

Hornet II
Hi-Max 2015-4100
Phoenix 25
Thunderpower 1320
Electron 6 receiver
GY401 mounted behind the main mast on G10 plate CAed to the frame
HS-55s on the swashplate
HS-50 mounted on the tail fin
Dean's polarized connectors

I would recommend a Castle Creations speed controller. The Phoenix 10 is what most people are using. The Phoenix 25 is more weight but so far I haven't had any problems. The reason I recommend this one is because of the excellent service from Shawn at Castle Creations. He really knows the product and will help you out when needed.

Just got mine flying really nice today. I had a 10 min flight, mainly figure eights. Just getting used to the little thing. I got the tail holding really good too. Can't wait to get it inverted.

Hope this helps.

Jeff
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02-12-2004 02:25 AM  15 years ago
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Gary Jenkins 3 460 02-12-2004 02:25 AM
cdrking
cdrking

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Seattle

Polarized Micro Deans

Click here to get them

Jeff
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02-11-2004 07:02 AM  15 years ago
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waycool 4 621 02-12-2004 08:35 AM
Corrado-Italy
cdrking

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Seattle

I am using a PH 25 with the Hi Max 2015-4100 and it works great so far. The heli balances perfect with this combo.

Someone suggested that the PH 25 is better suited to the higher amperages required with the new generation batteries. I am running Thunder Power 1320s.

Easy to program and so far no problems. The tech support from Castle Creations is excellent. I actually talked to Shawn at a trade show up here in Seattle. Very knowledgeable about his product and very helpful.

Jeff
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02-11-2004 06:54 AM  15 years ago
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Hornet II, Tail wag
LarryMiranda 19 1743 02-11-2004 02:05 PM
hornet dave
cdrking

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Seattle

Another question Dave. I did a search on RR and can't find the answer. What should my gyro gain be set to? I am running a GY401. I have it at around 40% right now. It seems to hold ok but would like it a bit better.

Tomorrow weather permitting I'll try to increase the gain and see what happens. I have heard you don't want it too high because you'll wear out the servo. I don't know if this is true on a HS-50 or if it could wear it out faster than, say a 9253 with the same gyro.

Thanks,

Jeff
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02-10-2004 11:52 PM  15 years ago
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LarryMiranda 19 1743 02-11-2004 02:05 PM
hornet dave
cdrking

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Seattle

Hornet Dave,

Thanks for the tips. I have "losened up" my tail and it is rock solid now. I am now having to tweak the linkage setup so the tail bellcrank and the tail servo horn are perpendicular. I now have no wag at all and it's pretty stable in a hover. It's a bit windy here so will try later when the wind dies down.

Another question I have is if I want to run governor mode on my Phoenix 25 what should the throttle ATVs be set to? Should they be 100% or 150%? (JR 10X radio) When I try governor mode the RPM is too low. Someone else pointed out that maybe the controller is interpreting endpoints too low.

Thanks again I thought this thing was untameable but am getting it dailed in.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

02-10-2004 08:58 PM  15 years ago
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Hornet II, Tail wag
LarryMiranda 19 1743 02-11-2004 02:05 PM
hornet dave
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

What gain are you guys using with the GY401? I am using a Hi-Max 2015-4100 with a Phoenix-25 and thunder power 1320s. I just put a 12T pinion on and it seems much happier with that.

I too am getting wag and not sure how to get rid of it. I am going to try to shorten the servo arm.

But what is also happening is that once in a while, about two times per hover flight the tail just swaps ends on me. It just turns 180 degrees, not too fast but enough to scare the crap out of me.

Any thoughts on the tail going 180?

Jeff

I have also played and played with the tail gear mesh and the linkage. It's a touchy little thing.
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02-10-2004 04:23 AM  15 years ago
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cdrking 7 879 02-10-2004 06:26 AM
tabbytabb
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Thanks Tabb. Rumor has it you're looking to get rid of your H2. They are a tricky little thing to get going.

I went out on Sunday and flew my Raptor 50 and Fury. So much easier to see and to control. It was a bit cold and I had a bunch of problems starting both machines. I think my starter batteries were not charged completely. But had a lot of fun once they were going.

I will have to make a trip your way soon. Are you going to Sand Point on Thursday? Maybe I can work the bugs out of the Hornet by then.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

02-10-2004 04:10 AM  15 years ago
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Madman 20 3415 02-14-2004 02:19 AM
Crasher
cdrking

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Seattle

Brendin,

I'll be up in Edmonton next week and have my Hornet all put together. I wonder if customs would give me grief if I took it up there.

Which building do you guys fly in at the airport? Do you still fly on Thursdays?

May see you up there.

Jeff
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02-10-2004 04:03 AM  15 years ago
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cdrking 7 879 02-10-2004 06:26 AM
tabbytabb
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Hornet II RPM question
Here's my setup:

Hornet II
Hi Max 2015-4100 brushless motor
Phoenix-25
Thunder Power 1320 3S
10T pinion

I am running in the governor mode on the ESC but am not getting enough RPM/headspeed.

I have a linear throttle curve in Normal mode, runs from 0 to 100%. I have 100% straight across in Idle up 1 and 2. When I switch from Normal mode to idle up 1 or 2 there is no change in RPM.

When running in governor mode is the only way to change RPM is to change the pinion? Should I just try a 12T pinion in governor mode or should I disable governor and just run the throttle curves?

Thanks for the help.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

02-01-2004 10:24 PM  15 years ago
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Finally H2 is flying BUT....
cdrking 11 1058 02-02-2004 02:08 AM
tabbytabb
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Well guys test flights did not go so good. I was closing in on getting the pitchiness worked out and slammed it on the carpet.

Not too bad though. Main and tail blades are ok. The blades came down and sliced a bit into the tail servo wire. The horizontal fin was taken off and flew across the room. I don't know if the mainshaft or spindles are bent.

Very frustrating. I took a lot of time to build this frickin thing and was being very careful with test flying and wack! Oh well not the first time I've been frustrated in this hobby.

I will call and get some parts ordered if need be.

Still don't know how to get the pitchiness out of the hover. Anymore ideas. I still don't know why you would have to flatten the pitch curve out to get rid of this. Shouldn't you be able to run linear pitch curves in all modes? This is how I do it in all my helis, although they are not micros so maybe a different approach with these things.

Thanks,

Jeff
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02-01-2004 06:54 PM  15 years ago
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Finally H2 is flying BUT....
cdrking 11 1058 02-02-2004 02:08 AM
tabbytabb
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Sorry double post.

Thanks Tabb I will try that.

Jeff

No test flights in the garage. I do mine in the living room right next to my 36" TV.

Jeff
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02-01-2004 06:52 PM  15 years ago
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Finally H2 is flying BUT....
cdrking 11 1058 02-02-2004 02:08 AM
tabbytabb
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Tabb,

Thanks for the help. I did try lowering the AFR with less pitch range and that didn't help. I mean this thing is up and down, up and down in a hover.

Chuck,

I will try governor mode and see how that works. I spoke to Shawn at Castle Creations. He was here in the Seattle area for a trade show. Very helpful and knowledgable about his product.

Just so I understand this correctly. If I program the governor mode to be enabled. Should I use low RPM or high RPM governor mode? Also once I enable governor mode how do I change RPM? Do I run a straight across/straight line curve? Then with this setup I can run different/higher or lower curves in Idle up 1 and 2.

Am I thinking correctly?

Jeff

Thanks again.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

02-01-2004 05:49 PM  15 years ago
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Finally H2 is flying BUT....
cdrking 11 1058 02-02-2004 02:08 AM
tabbytabb
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Tabb,

Thanks for the help. I did try lowering the AFR with less pitch range and that didn't help. I mean this thing is up and down, up and down in a hover.

Chuck,

I will try governor mode and see how that works. I spoke to Shawn at Castle Creations. He was here in the Seattle area for a trade show. Very helpful and knowledgable about his product.

Just so I understand this correctly. If I program the governor mode to be enabled. Should I use low RPM or high RPM governor mode? Also once I enable governor mode how do I change RPM? Do I run a straight across/straight line curve? Then with this setup I can run different/higher or lower curves in Idle up 1 and 2.

Am I thinking correctly?

Thanks again.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

02-01-2004 06:44 AM  15 years ago
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cdrking 11 1058 02-02-2004 02:08 AM
tabbytabb
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Finally H2 is flying BUT....
This thing is extremely pitch sensitive. How do I fix this? I am not sure on the pitch I have. I had zero pitch at half stick when setting it up. I didn't use the paper pitch gauge because it's so crappy.

I am running normal, Idle up 1 and Idle up 2. I am using all the same pitch curves in all modes including throttle hold.

I have also chosen to not run in governor mode on the controller. I am setting up "straight across" throttle curves except in normal mode. In normal mode I am running a linear/straight line curve. I haven't fine tuned idle up 1 or 2 because it's so pitchy.

My setup:

H2 stock
HiMax 2015-4100
Phoenix 25
Thunder power 1320 3S
Electron 6 receiver
HS-55s
HS-50 Tail
Tail servo mounted on the rear vertical stab
GY401 mounted right behind the swash on a homemade (G-10) plate
Radio JR 10X

I will post some pictures as soon as I work out the bugs.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

01-30-2004 07:23 AM  15 years ago
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Hornet II video ( page 1 2 )
tabbytabb 31 2603 02-01-2004 06:40 PM
tabbytabb
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Tabb,

How was the flying tonight? I got my batteries in the mail today at 5PM.

I have a lot of questions. I am not sure about the speed control settings.

Specifically I would like to know:

Cutoff voltage: 7.2 or 9.0 I would think 7.2 with the 3S batteries

Current limiting: Disable or ????

Brake type: Disabled or ????

Throttle type: Governor Low or High RPM range???

Electronic timing: Option 1,2 or 3

Cutoff type: Hard or soft


Hope to be there another time. I have to work next week so I won't make that one.

Thanks for any help.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

01-25-2004 05:16 AM  15 years ago
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Hornet II CG Problems
JKos 9 553 01-25-2004 04:27 PM
hornet dave
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

John,

That's interesting. I too am concerned about how the CG will be on my machine. I don't have my batteries yet so I don't have the final weight. I am going to run a Hi Max 2015-4100 and Thunder Power 1300s. I will also be running a Phoenix 25. I have a Electron 6 receiver that I have not lightened up and a GY401 that's also stock. I think I'll be ok with this "fat" setup. I taped everything on except the batteries and connectors and it's a bit tail heavy.

I'll hopefully have it going this coming week. I'll let you know how it works out.

Good luck.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

01-25-2004 01:13 AM  15 years ago
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Tail gears
Qrrambero 4 542 01-25-2004 04:14 AM
thenewguy
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Alvaro,

I too have almost completed my Hornet II build and this is my first micro. I posted the same question a while ago and the answer I got was that you don't need to glue them. I don't know if you've put the gear on yet but on mine it was a very tight press fit. It was suggested by someone that you get it all together and then hold the tail and try to rotate the main rotor to see if there is any slippage at any of the gears.

My opinion is that a small amount of CA wouldn't hurt though. I didn't glue mine and I'll find out how it holds up.

Have fun with your Hornet, I hope to fly mine this coming week.

Jeff
To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
 

01-24-2004 07:55 AM  15 years ago
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Hornet 2 parts?
tabbytabb 4 587 01-25-2004 03:44 AM
East Coast Tanics
cdrking

rrElite Veteran

Seattle

Tabb,

Sorry to hear about your blades.

I ordered my batteries today. I hope to have them charged and installed by next Thursday. I went with the Thunder Power 1300s. I figured if I don't like these heavier batteries then I'll just by two more other types.

Maybe I'll come up to Sand Point again. Thanks for having me up there.

Jeff
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