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02-24-2021 10:08 PM  48 days ago
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AlanR8

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Never flown a flybarless before
Hi all, noticed I first joined here in 2002! WOW.

Loads of flying on nitro oh and a Kalt Whisper and Logo 30 electrics but flying on ni-cads and all with fly-bars.

So I have a Trex 500 on the way, Flybarless, what can I expect regarding stability and flyabailty?
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02-25-2021 01:27 AM  48 days ago
Rojoalfa

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Congratulations!

My impression with helicopter without mechanical flybar

Pros

1. More agresive with manouvers.
2. More stability on windy days.
3. More simple. No moving parts.
4. Maintenance free.

Cons

1. I can't visualice just one.

Either way, I prefer and love my flybarred gadgets!!!
My fascination for the rotor mechanisms is clear.

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Saludos cordiales,
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02-25-2021 03:16 AM  48 days ago
RM3

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Pros:
-programmable flight characteristics from stubbornly docile to over caffeinated aggression
-mechanical simplicity
-cheaper repair cost to fewer mechanical components
-makes learning a move easier

Cons:
-when the 3 axis mems sensor breaks, your helicopter will take a dirt nap
-learning curve
-some require a specific tx/rx systems to take full advantage
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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02-25-2021 07:38 PM  47 days ago
AlanR8

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Thanks for the replies. So when I take off, I used to fly the cyclic from the get-go. Is that the same flybarless or do you just pop it off the ground?
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02-25-2021 08:38 PM  47 days ago
Eury

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It’s just a helicopter. Fly it the same as every other helicopter, literally no different at the controls than what you’re used to. The whole “don’t touch cyclic on the ground” was an issue with early systems but not for years. Obviously don’t sit there with the cyclic pinned over on the ground, but that’s the same as with a flybar.

It’ll be a bit more stable, a bit more direct feeling, but if someone handed you the transmitter and didn’t tell you it didn’t have a flybar you wouldn’t know it other than it will fly well.
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02-26-2021 01:57 PM  46 days ago
Girard Ibanez

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After coming back into the hobby in 2020 after 12 years of not flying, all has changed.

The biggest issue I had was the headspeed with modern helis. The headspeed in the 500 class can be anywhere from 2000 rpm to 2400 rpm ... maybe even higher.

Lower rpms than what the manual suggest and you get the shake rattle and roll. This is due to the head dampers being more of a hard bushing than rubber primarily for that aggressive 3D flying.

Once in a while and on windy days the heli would want to bite into the wind on spool up. This gets hairy as you fight the cyclic trying to stay level. I learned to just lift off once I got enough headspeed and let the headspeed build up before I do any 3D.

Other than that it's a learning curve to learn how to adjust the FBL controller's PIDs, Agility, Style and many new terms to your flying style.

This is just what I experienced. And I am still learning. It helps if there is a knowledgeable pilot in your area. I have to rely on the forums for any issue I encounter.

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02-26-2021 03:19 PM  46 days ago
A&J

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My experience with some fly bars do not like Lowhead speed on autos or landing with a low head speed on spoil down

That’s where fly bar hels or more forgiving

Once you figure it out you’ll love it
Lets do the time warp againnn !
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02-26-2021 09:09 PM  46 days ago
AlanR8

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Thanks guys, I appreciate the responses! Just to complicate stuff, I'm going OpenTX for the TX, bound to the JR controller!
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02-27-2021 06:49 AM  46 days ago
scrc511

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Cheaper radio than most, but good choice. Flybarless system when setup correctly and dead on zero pitch at Mid stick, try not to make corrections while on the ground spooling up, it will take off with ease then made the necessary corrections as soon as you’re off. Good luck! I have the RadioMaster TX16S
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02-28-2021 11:03 AM  44 days ago
Busher

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I remember the first time I had a go with a fbl, it was my logo 500, the take off was uneventful, even though I had packed a spare pair of underwear.
The flight characteristics in my opinion are far better than with a fly bar, and fully adjustable.
Make sure your setup is dead on, and setup the fbl as per the instructions and you will be good to go.
All the best with your new Heli it will be great..
Good luck
Busher
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03-01-2021 06:46 AM  44 days ago
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One bit of advice... Stop and go over your setup of the FBL unit a second time (or 3rd and 4th time) before the first flight. It is both critical to get this right and easy to get wrong.

Over the years I have programmed tail rotor gyros backwards. The results were 500 horrifying pirouettes in about 2 seconds followed by me setting the helicopter back down. Sometimes it was damaged - sometimes not. Programming a 3 axis FBL unit wrong WILL crash your model. Setting up a FBL unit is something like setting up a tail only gyro with just a few extra steps. And like a tail only gyro, if you don't take your time, your model will be uncontrollable.
"Well, nothing bad can happen now."
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03-01-2021 05:21 PM  43 days ago
planeguy12

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Review your FBL setup directions. Make sure you recenter your cyclic and rudder after you move from your staging area to the flight line prior to spooling up. I built a Synergy 556 last year. Prior to that I was flying a Raptor 90se. I was impressed with how responsive the 556 is. I'm using a Futaba 760 gyro/receiver, with middle of the road $60 high speed digital servos. $150 ultra high speed servos aren't needed.
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03-02-2021 06:18 PM  42 days ago
AlanR8

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Wow, still a good place to come for advice after all these years!

I dug out my Trex450 with a flybar and my JR 8310 35 MHz system. Dusted it off and made a close inspection before powering it all up. Even the Lipo batteries that haven't seen the light of day for 5 years were fine!

First hover was shall we say "tense" a goodish breeze but swirling around the back of my house, and the back garden is small! Anyway, we survived and I've put three more flights on since!

I'd rather crash the old tech rather than my new toy!
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03-04-2021 08:41 PM  40 days ago
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How quickly we get back into the swing of things...
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