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01-31-2021 03:30 AM 28 days ago

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youngbuck

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Need help with align build

Hey guys I’m putting together a trex 600efl pro. Well I’ve put a few raptors together and acouple goblins but this one is giving me alittle trouble, first of all I’m pretty sure I got the wrong piñon sent in my package, not a big deal , I ordered the right one. I received a tapered one but need the straight cut fatter one because there’s a 3/16 of an inch in between the gear and the piñon.
But my question is,once I receive the pinion, is the bottom of the pinion suppose to ride in the lower engine bearing block? Obviously there’s a block and bearing there for a reason but I don’t understand how the bottom of the piñon touches the bearing? Does the right piñon have a little flange that sits down in that bearing?
Also I’m about 3/4 way through the build and have two parts left over. The long solid tube about six or seven inches long and the little aluminum T (bracket?) thingy.
Sorry for the confusion but man the instructions are about as useful as **** on a bull!!! Ha

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02-01-2021 08:54 PM 26 days ago

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The trex600E needs a electric motor with a long shaft.
That is why this model came with a 510 kV aling 600MX motor for 12s and pinion and spur slant.

Now, you have an "old fashion" electric motor with a short shaft!

If you are planning to do hard 3D, that motor is not the right one.

But, if you are planning to enjoy flying like the rest of us, there is no problem to use this motor with short shaft.

Be careful not to hit the canopy with this long case motor.

/Saludos cordiales,

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02-01-2021 09:01 PM 26 days ago

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youngbuck Also I’m about 3/4 way through the build and have two parts left over. The long solid tube about six or seven inches long and the little aluminum T (bracket?) thingy.

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This solid tube and the little aluminum T is going to be use later on, when you setup your pitch curve.
It acts as a flybar marker for the pitch gauge tool.

If you have an electronic pitch gauge tool, forget this tube and T...

/Saludos cordiales,

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02-01-2021 09:23 PM 26 days ago

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When this 600E came in a combo, it had a 112T spur with a 13T pinion.
The motor position is fixed, so be careful when trying to install a different pinion !!!

/Saludos cordiales,

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02-01-2021 11:16 PM 26 days ago

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For example...

The Align 14T Motor Slant Threaded Pinion Gear for the T-Rex 600E Pro Helicopter must be used with the Align CNC Slant Thread Main Drive Gear 118T (AGNH60G005XXW).

So, with this trex600E is not as easy to change pinions like changing blades...

BTW, check your pinion Module... It isn't look good.

/Saludos cordiales,

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02-03-2021 01:07 PM 24 days ago

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Well yes I do have acouple digital pitch gauges so I’m all set there.
However I got this kit and I think certain things were taking out and probably replaced with wrong items, and I’m positive it either came with the wrong piñon or main gear and I’m not sure if the motor was the original one coming in the 600efl.
Not that big of a deal, I ordered a straight cut 12 tooth piñon and I hope that works. And I’m hardly flying forward so no 3D for me.
But if I did wanna buy a scorpion motor for it, what size should I get?

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02-03-2021 02:03 PM 24 days ago

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Be careful between trex600E pro and older trex600ESP.
They aren't the same!!!

If you try to change the slant spur to a straight cut one, probably you also need to change the hub autorotation and rotor shaft.
Check that!

First of all, Get the instruction manuals and compare.

Trex600E was suppose to run with long shaft motor. So, no problem with scorpion or other brand but take into account that to work as it was design, you need to specify a long shaft solution.

BTW, you are planning to fly this beauty with 12s? 6s?

/Saludos cordiales,

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02-03-2021 02:48 PM 24 days ago

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My recommendations...

1. Get the right pinion, according to the spur.
If spur is 112T, get the 13T pinion.
If spur is 118T, get the 14T pinion.
Cutting things is NOT a good solution.
Distance between rotor shaft and motor shaft is fixed!!!
You can't change pinion leaving the spur. If you try to change pinion, you must change boths.

2. Get an electric motor with LONG shaft. Shaft diameter is 6 mm...

3. If you are planning to fly with 12s, get a motor with 510Kv.

4. If you are planning to fly with 6s, get a motor with at least 1100 kV.

5. Don't try to do a conversion backwards... Trex600E is trex600E.
Forget about old trex600ESP.

6. At this time, it is difficult to find slant pinion/spur for the trex600E.
IMHO, look for Trex550E parts and compare.

Well my friend.
Settle down and let think about it.

/Saludos cordiales,

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02-03-2021 03:06 PM 24 days ago

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Some good resources for you!
https://aligntrexhelis.com/help/manuals/heli-s
http://www.grandrc.com/Blades; what goes around, comes around!

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02-03-2021 03:15 PM 24 days ago

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This Is A Scorpion Motor With Normal SHAFT.
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Here You Can see the difference in shafts.
Stock motor align 510vk 600MX
Scorpion motor 4025-1100kv
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See.. Long shaft motor reach the lower bearing pinion.
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This is the motor from stock.
See the long shaft.
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/Saludos cordiales,

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02-05-2021 04:55 PM 22 days ago

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Ok so with all this being said, my only option is to buy a long shaft motor. I have the 12 and 13 tooth piñon and obviously neither one of them are going to work with my current setup. I was confused for a minute because I thought even if I buy a longer shaft motor, it’s still going to be centered in the engine mounting bracket and it’s not going to bring it 3/16 of an inch backwards towards the tail, however the mounting position will be lower and therefore the pinion will be closer to the main gear?
And I also have two different options for esc’s . I have a castle Ice HV 80 or an align 100a brushless esc w governor mode?
Any suggestions on which one I should go with. I think I only want to run it on 6s just for the simplicity, I already have a goblin on 12s and it’s pain charging all the batts.

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02-05-2021 05:14 PM 22 days ago

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I think my other issue here is the pinion must be for the pro model and not my efl model. Look at how tapered the whole thing is compared to yours , yours is almost the same diameter at the bottom as it is to the top. Both piñons I have are half the size when it gets down to the bottom.
I’m sorry for all the confusion but this is the problem with old kits that are “new” , stuff gets swapped and then t doesn’t fit.

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02-05-2021 05:18 PM 22 days ago

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02-05-2021 07:38 PM 22 days ago

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So I counted my spur and it’s the white 112t slanted and I have the the slanted 12t and the slanted 13t pinion. However I don’t see a longer shaft fixing the space I have. This is confusing, I do understand the longer shaft will go down and touch the bearing however I think I need the align 700 pinion h70062a?
I need a pinion that has slant gears but the whole thing can NOT be tapered down? And it has to be 5mm and not 6mm. So probably the one for the 700 may not work because it’s probably a 6mm and not 5mm.
So I’m wondering if the 550 has a non tapered but still slant cut 5mm pinion?
U can see from my last two pixs that I set the pinion on top of the bearing centered and it’s not even close to the main gear so a longer shaft isn’t going to help with that aspect.
I hope your following along and I’m not confusing you.

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02-05-2021 08:48 PM 22 days ago

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I read all your posts but I guess you don't follow my posts.

Please... Forget about earlier spare parts of trex 600...

1. The 112T slant spur trex600E needs a 13T slant spur with the correct module. The pinion you required has a module of 1...that is M1... It is a pinion with big Theets... Your tiny pinions are useless.

This is the pinion you need...

http://shop.align.com.tw/product_in...720&language=eu

Part number
H70G009XXW

2. That pinion is for a 6 mm diameter shaft motor. Not 5mm.

3. If your motor have a short shaft, no big deal is you fly normal and not 3D.
You don't need to install the lower bearing pinion.

4. If you want to use the lower bearing pinion, you must get a motor with longer shaft to pass thru the pinion and past thru the lower bearing pinion.
No tapered pinion please...

/Saludos cordiales,

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02-05-2021 09:05 PM 22 days ago

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At this time, you have to be clear in this aspects...

1. Trex600E is not pinion interchangeable as earlier versions of Trex600.

2. A spur of 112T slant only works with a 13T slant pinion.
The module is 1, M1.
If you want another pinion size, you need also to change the spur.

3. You need a 6 mm shaft diameter electric motor.

4. Trex600E works fine with 80 amp ESC with lipos from 6 to 12s.

5. Lipo max capacity is 4500 mAH. Bigger than that don't fix on battery place.
If you insist on trying with more battery capacity, take measurements first!

/Saludos cordiales,

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02-06-2021 12:35 AM 22 days ago

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Your problems are the wrong motor and pinion was included in your kit. You will need a motor with a 6mm shaft, exposed portion 34.8mm long or longer. If you want to run 6s get a motor like this: https://www.amainhobbies.com/xnova-...y1120-a/p508022
And you will need this 13t pinion:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/align-...0g011xx/p536320
BTW, Rojoalfa is offering you very good advise.
I just put it into Yankee speak.

Blades; what goes around, comes around!

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02-06-2021 03:39 AM 22 days ago

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It is difficult to talk in a foreign language...

I have been told I do good written translation from english into my native spanish... But not in the other way...