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08-08-2020 07:04 AM  45 days ago
DrHeli

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I just came back to the hobby after a 10 year brake, I still have a JR Vibe 50, a Hirobo and Xcell, things have changed a lot now , chinese took over the market of not so expensive helis, but the quality of japanese and US made like Xcell is Hard to find now, everybody at my club is flying gasser planes or electrics, hope to bring back some young blood to the heli hobby, I'm feeling the helis are comming back since the Drone craze is now over, lets see...
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08-08-2020 11:29 AM  45 days ago
PaulBowen

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Fear not.

You can still buy Hirobo, X-Cell, Quest (formerly Kyosho Helicopters) and Mikado. I strongly try to avoid buying Chinese brands. It is of course difficult at times to avoid some level of Chinese manufactured parts but I certainly try to avoid buying their brands if possible. It has long seemed odd that Americans would want to buy anything at all from China. I guess until things get really nasty all most people really care about is cheap cheap and sheep sheep...

If you search and are prepared to pay more for quality and not support questionable business practices then you can find what you want.
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08-08-2020 01:46 PM  44 days ago
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Dang Drones,,saw it coming.😳😳Blade3d
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08-08-2020 03:07 PM  44 days ago
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I agree with Mr. Bowen on this one. No real customer loyalty with chinese brands. Loyalty meaning consistent long term production runs, q.c. and customer / parts support.
Maybe XL Power will fare better than KDS and the like.
In my opinion.
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08-08-2020 03:23 PM  44 days ago
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PaulBowen I strongly try to avoid buying Chinese brands. It is of course difficult at times to avoid some level of Chinese manufactured parts but I certainly try to avoid buying their brands if possible. It has long seemed odd that Americans would want to buy anything at all from China.
Paul... Any thoughts on Align and Synergy? Align is Taiwanese and it's recently become apparent that Synergy is far more Chinese that anyone thought or hoped.

Align has broken from the pack and seems to have distinguished themselves as reliable, long-term, players in the model helicopter market.

Conversely Synergy is still here but has run into an all to common problem. Having sourced all of there manufacturing to Asia, they are said to have intellectual property issues with their Chinese producer. As a result I've been told some parts are becoming increasingly difficult to find.
"Well, nothing bad can happen now."
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08-09-2020 12:08 AM  44 days ago
PaulBowen

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Unfortunately we can’t bypass China altogether and yes the Synergy issue is an interesting one. I’m lead to believe US production is the plan.

Align is Taiwanese which depending on who you ask is or isn’t Chinese. I won’t get into that debate. I believe SAB although Italian are manufactured in Vietnam. Most of our blades come from one very good Hong Kong manufacturer. I use Futaba and it’s pretty annoying that for the price it’s all made in Taiwan. Has anyone tried buying a charger that isn’t made in China?

I do what I can but it can really limit choices. It’s also lucky my tastes align (no pun intended) with the Japanese and German brands.
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08-09-2020 05:02 PM  43 days ago
RM3

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This hobby is not in decline... this hobby was a fad among RC fliers... and like baggy pants and shoulder pads in the 80-90s... people have moved on.
Let’s say manufacturing started here in USA for helicopters... that is a not a sustainable business... you don’t have enough people who have interest in the hobby and have disposable income to support even a small business given the cost of a kit made here... we had Ron close his shop... MA go belly up and bought again.. countless hobby stores close, including online ... this website died and got resurrected and technically in zombie mode.
Its niche ... that’s why, expensive, difficult, and obscure.
And thus will stay that way.
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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08-09-2020 05:36 PM  43 days ago
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On a positive note, I did fly a flybared Logo 10 yesterday to compare to my Eco 8 and Kyosho Concept SR. I was very surprised at how well it flew...it made the other 2 feel like cheap toys. The Logo sips current and nothing gets hot (I have an old Tango and Jive for power)...this will be a good low RPM 3d machine....as it was designed to be.

I wish mfgs would release a throwback vintage line (wellaybe just Mikado). It's working for brands for other model types (RC Cars).
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08-09-2020 06:03 PM  43 days ago
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Me and a couple of friends joined a club yesterday where they all fly airplanes (due to covid has shut down our field). These guys are all over this stuff, especially my scale birds (not so much 3d). A couple of members said that they have a couple of helis, but they don't know how to set them up, or fly them and they want to learn how. So maybe its time to set up a 450 on training gear and do a little teaching. I think there is still interest out there.

Ron
I didn't crash. I just ran out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas all at the same time!
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08-09-2020 06:47 PM  43 days ago
Rojoalfa

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cobieg maybe its time to set up a 450 on training gear and do a little teaching. I think there is still interest out there.
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Great! Great a lot!

You are right. All they need is a little help for their friends.

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Saludos cordiales,
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08-10-2020 10:34 PM  42 days ago
BeltFedBrowning

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My question is, where are all the helicopters? Are they getting out of the hobby and not selling their helicopters?
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08-10-2020 11:00 PM  42 days ago
wjvail

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BeltFedBrowning My question is, where are all the helicopters? Are they getting out of the hobby and not selling their helicopters?
I was just talking about the same thing with Buzz at Magnum fuels. Buzz is all but out of the fuel business and we were talking about where have all the engines gone? Are people just throwing them away? Are there 3 engines in every American's attic?

Given the popularity of Raptor 30s a few years ago, there must be one rusting in 1/2 the sheds in the county. Dad dies and as the kids are clearing out the house they find a crashed Schluter. Do they just decide to pitch it? Where are the last 30 years of model helicopters?
"Well, nothing bad can happen now."
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08-11-2020 09:25 PM  41 days ago
douflytoo

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wjvail
BeltFedBrowning My question is, where are all the helicopters? Are they getting out of the hobby and not selling their helicopters?
I was just talking about the same thing with Buzz and Magnum fuels. Buzz is all but out of the fuel business and we were talking about where have all the engines gone? Are people just throwing them away? Are there 3 engines in every Americans attic?

Given the popularity of Raptor 30s a few years ago, there must be one rusting in 1/2 the sheds in the county. Dad dies and as the kids are clearing out the house they find a crashed Schluter. Do they just decide to pitch it? Where are the last 30 years of model helicopters?
Yes, I'm sure a lot of "kids are clearing out the house" and just pitching stuff, but they are out there, you just have to know where and how to look. Lots of stuff shows up on Ebay but the kids don't know what it is.

Prime example...
Here's a classic American RC Revolution 40 (looks complete) but because it says "Kraft" on the servos and comes with some spare ThunderTiger blades that's what it's listed as.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Ni...2gAAOSwcPhfMeMJ

I'm a GMP guy, and a lot of times good GMP stuff is listed as "Hirobo", because that's what is stamped on some parts (rotorhead, cooling shroud).
So sometimes you just have to dig deeper or search differently.
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08-14-2020 05:24 PM  38 days ago
Goober1228

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I always check e-bay, you can get vintage/ rare helis and you can shop ebay- UK and De for even more exotic stuff!
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08-18-2020 03:49 PM  34 days ago
Grimracer

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we are in direct competition with smart phones.. no more no less.

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08-19-2020 02:55 PM  33 days ago
REVOmixed

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I have seen it myself...the decline of this once great branch of RC flying. I was perusing RC Groups (I am a member there) and saw an article/ review on a Raptor 50 S ARF, I believe, from an experienced flyer. He posted pics and tidbits about what he did to modify the machine and its general flying characteristics... The article's post date was 2014. At the time of this post, that is only about 6 years ago, and now, in 2020, the Raptor is going or has largely gone the way of the dodo bird!

My fleet would be considered very humble by many of you, but I've been doing my best to generate interest in the hobby. I've taken my birds (Blade 330 S, 230 S V2, and 150 S) up to parks by me and flown them kinda hard at times. When people first saw the 330 S (basically a 450 X with a new FBL) they didn't seem that interested in me or it. But when I took off and started opening it up, bringing it within inches of the grass upside down, many people started to take a real interest in it. They were surprised...as if they had never seen anything like it before.

In all my time flying at local parks, I basically met ONE dude flying a real (Goblin 6S I think??) and another chap flying an older Trex 450 with flybar. That's it. No one else. Never seen them after.

The bigger and more expensive machines, to me, seeing one, is almost like seeing a Willie Mammoth or Sasquatch. That is sad!
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08-19-2020 05:14 PM  33 days ago
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Good grief, I have been around here 16 years.

I agree the surge of helis for a while was just a fad. Not unusual, it has happened plenty with other r/c stuff. I have seen fads in soaring, pattern, etc. It happens.

The odd part (sorta) is that learning to fly helis has never been easier. 15 years ago there were sims, but there were not really any good RTF helis. Now there are tons. Maybe it all just got too easy.
I give up on Loctite, nothing lasts long enough to vibrate loose anymore.
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08-19-2020 08:16 PM  33 days ago
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This decline may have to do more with the technology available to us and the diversity in which this tech entertains us. If you subtract all of the 2020 electronics, you still have (in essence) radio controlled vehicle. This novelty centers more around the "marvel" of wireless transmission / communication. This is a relic from another century. It is no surprise to me that most of us that stick to the hobby are 40+ years old. The whole package of research, purchase, assemble, experiment, crash then rebuild......
Who has time for this? (I make time sometimes to the detriment of my marriage LOL) For us, to some degree, we all enjoy the aspects of this hobby and the great sense of achievement it brings us. People today seem more drawn to the easy fix or a finished product. Technology can be a detriment to the desire we may have to learn an ability from the ground up, instead today entry level is ARF, RTF kits or anything pre assembled, pre programmed, pre calibrated - on and on. Entry level should never be ARF imhop.
Probably a lot of folks today would look at the what it would take to get a Hirobo Shuttle airborne from a kit and wonder if the end experience would be worth the effort.
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08-19-2020 08:49 PM  33 days ago
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My take on it is the hobby just went back to what it was
before it was a big fad

In the 50s everybody had train sets, 60s go-karts were the thing, then snowmobiles,in the 70s then ect ect,

Heck in the 1920s how many car manufactures were there ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...e_United_States
how many are there now ?

All the past fads/things are still with us just not like they were during there hay day

With the heli hobby the arfs and the rtfs along with the advancements in electronics caused a boom fad and now its over and were back to what it was before then

And I "think" that I prefer the way it is now again
funflys are fun again there not a 3 ring circus
theres less idiots with the hold my beer watch this mentality

The people left in the hobby are the people that really like the hobby
there not in it just because its cool and so & so has one
ageing is manditory maturity is optional
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08-20-2020 12:09 AM  33 days ago
PaulBowen

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I totally agree with banshee rider 100%Quest NEO Caliber ZG, Zenoah G260PUH, CGY760R, NHP 750, NHP 115.
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