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06-14-2020 05:31 PM  8 months ago
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UKhelinoob

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MA X-Cell 60 rebuild
Guys here's my new X-Cell rebuild thread that I've started (Still working on my Raptor 90 at the same time). Most of the upgrades that are going into the X-cell I got on eBay.. My heli is a very old one. The first bent frame I think.. as you can see in the heli pics.

I have already fitted the Alloy Elevator Bellcrank, as for the wooden servo tray. I don't like it, so I might get rid of it and buy the newer style plastic one (It comes as a complete kit). But it depends on if The canopy will fit. Because the plastic tray is longer..

Oh, That black main gear is being replaced with a newer white one (complete kit) and a new version main shaft too (New type locking collars too)..

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06-14-2020 10:43 PM  8 months ago
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You can upgrade that bent frame all the way to a Graphite SE if you spend enough $.

Anyway, I do have the plastic front end for those if you are interested.
The older I get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.
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06-15-2020 02:08 AM  8 months ago
UKhelinoob

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Yep I know. Though I'm not changing the frame.. Oh, does a mounting parts come with the plastic tray. Like the alloy bottom brackets..

Oh. Do you have the newer top start complete bearing block, so I can fit the 6mm hex start adapter.. You see the old cone start goes into the clutch shaft bearing.. Which is no good if you fit the hex start adapter. It'll drop right in the bearing because the inside diameter of the bearing is bigger..
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06-15-2020 02:28 AM  8 months ago
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You still use the same parts. The wooden tray is stiffer then the plastic tray. They went to the plastic to make the build time faster and some people didn't build the wooden trays right. So they kinda made plastic tray dummy proof. People were complaining about the piece count on the X-cell, SE and the Pro's.
Still flying them today. Smooth flying helicopters.
Nice machine.

Dan
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06-15-2020 06:47 PM  8 months ago
UKhelinoob

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Yep I heard that they are still nice heli's, as for me getting parts. I get them from here.

https://www.ebay.com/str/Helicopter-Parts-Supply?rt=nc

Oh.. I ordered the plastic servo tray.. Because I didn't like the wooden one (Like others say)..
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06-16-2020 01:19 PM  8 months ago
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Yeah Chris is a great person!! I get mine from him. If he doesn't have the part then I go to Miniature Aircraft ( Germany). The plastic trays are nice, quick to build. Just flex too much unless you add the front braces. The side braces are best.
The CNC swing are and elevator bell crank is a great upgrade.
I still have the twin tail rotor system.
If you have any questions let me know.

Dan
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06-16-2020 02:30 PM  8 months ago
UKhelinoob

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Oh, so you know the guy. That's interesting. But he sure does have good prices, as for the plastic servo tray. I hope that he sent me the front braces too (I didn't see them listed).. If not I make them up myself (1 piece).. From plywood...
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06-16-2020 03:44 PM  8 months ago
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I did this in 2002 on what started out as an X-Cell 30, that is now stretched for a .46 with 600mm blades; has a Bergen frame and some other manufacturer's radio tray. The pic was taken after the heli sat in storage for 10 years, before I rebuilt it. Excuse the dust and rust, please. I used spruce sticks and then glued on sheet carbon fiber, because I thought it would help reduce flexing. They're still on there, today. Anything that doesn't flex very easy is what you need. Have fun!

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06-16-2020 04:45 PM  8 months ago
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Nice job I must say.. Anyway. I've ordered this upgrade from eBay, and the ratio is 9 to 1. Can I still use the 10 teeth clutch gear or not.. But I did have to get a mainshaft for it too. Because mine is not the same (No drilled hole at the bottom)...

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07-09-2020 03:33 AM  8 months ago
UKhelinoob

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I've just bought this motor, and it came out of a Schluter Champion (Little use) .. Only had 1/2 gallon of fuel through it.. You see, I'm building a X cell 60 Graphite Helicopter..(Will make a nice addition to my Raptor 90) , so the 61 that's in my other X-Cell. I'll keep as a spare (Not sure of the condition side it yet)... But I was wondering.. Should I replace the carb for a better one, or just leave it alone (Carb looks small)..

It sure does have a funny looking heat-sink head..

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07-09-2020 09:11 PM  8 months ago
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If you can find the SX WC 3 needle carb I would do that. If not keep that carb. Years ago we replaced it with super tiger carb. Down fall with that is the idle setting. It is very finicky/ touchy. I would also check the bearings too. You still can get bearings for that motor.
Hope this help.

Sincerely
Dan
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07-09-2020 09:18 PM  8 months ago
UKhelinoob

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Thanks Dan will do, as for the bearings I was thinking of that..
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07-25-2020 11:54 PM  7 months ago
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All the parts have now arrived, so I can turn my Old bent frame heli into a really nice Graphic XL-3D.. The servo tray came already built. But the main frame I'll had to assemble that, as for the O.S 61 motor. I took the back off, and no rust inside (The motor was full of WD-40), so I won't need to replace the bearings (I did buy a set just in case)...

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07-26-2020 04:11 AM  7 months ago
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That’s an SE front servo tray best in the marketJohn Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
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07-28-2020 12:53 AM  7 months ago
UKhelinoob

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xcellgasman101 hat’s an SE front servo tray best in the market
I thought so.. Anyway, I have a question. this Aluminum fan for my x-cell build has arrived. But the crankshaft thread looks too long when the fan/hub is fitted. Does a bit have to be removed from the crankshaft (Make it a bit shorter or not)...

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01-12-2021 03:56 AM  54 days ago
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Guys I've changed my mind and instead I'm building a gasser. However, For the motor I bought this one cheap and I think that it's a Zenoah G2D one.. I took it apart and found nothing wrong with it (Just thick carbon on the piston crown and inside the top of the cylinder). I have bought a PUH Crankcase, 2 ringed piston (With rings) Pull start backplate, Magnetic motor stator/rotor too. The size of the piston is 32mm (22.5cc). Old piston has just one ring. But I don't know what type of Walbro carb is on the motor (so I get the rebuild kit). The carb has no choke or the throttle adjustment either.. But it needs a new prime bulb for sure..

I have new bearings and seals coming for the motor too (Will use the old cylinder)... Please take a look and let me know if the gas motor will get my x-cell heli into a hover, and what type of carb it is on the motor too..

Oh Daves motor does have new cylinder for this motor but for now I don't need one..

Thanks..

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01-13-2021 09:22 PM  53 days ago
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Well, my friend... Be aware that You are going to be in deep water soon...

This kit was develop for a glow motor. To install a gas motor, you need to change frames to make enough run for a gas motor format PUH.

Format RC is not possible with current frames. For Such mod, you need to rebuild the whole helicopter... Deep water my friend.

The new frames are like this...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/X-cell-MA-...t-/402273187947

Please, let's check what you have at this time.
Such change of the original project is not as easy as you may think.

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Saludos cordiales,
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01-13-2021 09:53 PM  53 days ago
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UKhelinoob I have a question. this Aluminum fan for my x-cell build has arrived. But the crankshaft thread looks too long when the fan/hub is fitted. Does a bit have to be removed from the crankshaft (Make it a bit shorter or not)...
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According to your project, you are using a OS60 power plant.

We know that this OS60 came with two versions, airplane and helicopter.
The main difference apart of the head, it is the length of crankshaft.

So, you have an airplane OS60 motor, larger crankshaft.
Probably, you need to cut it to fit properly on the fan.
Also, you need a conical brass adaptor for crankshaft to fit fan shaft internal diameter.

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Saludos cordiales,
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01-14-2021 02:27 PM  52 days ago
UKhelinoob

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Hi I was but now I bought the gasser frame (I'm ahead of you), and the old carb is a WT-213A. But I bought a new carb for the motor anyway. I'm just waiting for the PUH crankcases to arrive, so I can assemble the motor... All parts that go on the motor are in the mail too (A nice aluminum fan too)...

Oh, the rest are the same as the nitro heli (I already have them all).. You see I just decided to go the gasser route instead of nitro on this one. Because I already have a Nitro heli. A Raptor 90...

The hardest part to get was the 14 teeth clutch bell gear. MA was out of stock.. However, the guy on eBay was able to supply me with one (He sells x-cell parts).. My budget for this heli build is $400... The guy was even able to supply me with a nicely painted canopy..

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01-15-2021 12:29 AM  52 days ago
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Rojoalfa According to your project, you are using a OS60 power plant.

We know that this OS60 came with two versions, airplane and helicopter.
The main difference apart of the head, it is the length of crankshaft.
If memory serves, another, and very important difference, was that the heli versions had a very different carburator.
Phil
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