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04-11-2020 08:02 PM  7 months ago
SoCal Scott

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Even during the Spanish Flu there were localized shut downs but not on a national lvl.
Yes. And tens of millions of people died because of that?? Not sure what your point is there.
There is piles and piles of solid real data that indicates something is not right with what we are being told.
Do these piles smell oddly like the emissions from a cow? Because if you had piles of evidence you‘d be posting it - actually you’re right. We weren’t told early enough and this thing could have been squashed months ago. Thanks CCP.
If you do not think that destroying the economy, where by increasing the un-employment to 30% is not going to raise the suicide rate you are wearing rose colored glasses.
Now after the economy has been destroyed, and the suicide rate doubles
First, the suicide rate would have to be exponentially higher than what it is now to eclipse the deaths from COVID. Plus I can tell you, people are probably happier not having the stressors of work. Having more time to spend with family and loved ones may actually reduce suicide rates. And don’t even try to imply seeing $0.00 in the bank is going to lead people to jump out their basement window. The vast majority of people that commit suicide are clinically depressed and have a history of self-harm. I can’t imagine suicide rates changing all that much. Lastly, but muh economy. The economy will be fine and may be a good time to shift production away from China and jobs towards the US, don’t you agree? Not to mention that’s what unemployment is for... a cushion for people that are unable to work due to no fault of their own. The feds have even extended it to help people on their feet and boost the economy over the coming months.
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04-11-2020 08:14 PM  7 months ago
elmobad

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spaceman spiff I met a flat earther a while back. Nice guy, but astoundingly dense.
Folks can show him the curve, he could measure it himself, but it does not even register. I can show him pictures that show everything in the visible universe is round, but nothing gets thru that thick skull. Reminds me of some of you.
HA HA you cant help yourself can you, if you we all don't fear your not happy. Please just stop, compering logical arguments with flat earth rhetoric. What and who's agenda do you serve?

flu deaths 2017-2018 US during flu season 61,099
flu deaths 2018-2019 US during flu season 34,157
pneumonia deaths 2017 US 49,157
One person dies every 37 seconds in the United States from cardiovascular disease.
About 647,000 Americans die from heart disease each year—that’s 1 in every 4 deaths.2,3
Covid 19 deaths in US 20,126

DEATH SUCKS I DON'T THINK ANYONE DISAGREES WITH THAT.
We don't shut the country's economy down for all the much more worse numbers.

You don't hear daily minute to minute reports every 37 seconds on new another person died from hart failure.

Why then with Covid 19....... TO KEEP THE FEAR FIRE BLAZING!!!!
spaceman spiff but nothing gets thru that thick skull
EXACTLY RIGHT, I comply agree with you
SoCal Scott
Even during the Spanish Flu there were localized shut downs but not on a national lvl.
Yes. And tens of millions of people died because of that?? Not sure what your point is there.
My point is the ECONOMY WAS NOT SHUT DOWN, I made that clear.
GOT FBL?
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04-11-2020 08:24 PM  7 months ago
elmobad

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SoCal Scott
There is piles and piles of solid real data that indicates something is not right with what we are being told.
Do these piles smell oddly like the emissions from a cow? Because if you had piles of evidence you‘d be posting it - actually you’re right. We weren’t told early enough and this thing could have been squashed months ago. Thanks CCP.
There are piles of REAL data.. If you CHOOSE not to find it and CHOOSE to BELIEVE all the BS data thats on you. It not hard to find it, but you need to look for it.
SoCal Scott Plus I can tell you, people are probably happier not having the stressors of work.
Are you really typing that and believe that, you must be very wealthy.... Sure not going to work no stress but wait what about NOT BEING ABLE TO BUY FOOD or pay your bills. If it came down to it I would STARVE MYSELF but seeing my kids hungry. SO IGNORANT and Silly ME...

YES THE GOVERNMENT WILL SAVE US. SURE PLEASE what happen to:
"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." John F. Kennedy
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04-11-2020 08:42 PM  7 months ago
spaceman spiff

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Fine. Feel free to ignore that this virus has only just showed up in the US for mere weeks.

Feel free to ignore that extraordinary measures have been taken to slow it down. School closures. busines shut downs... and extra ordinary things are having to be done to save folks who get it. Go ahead, pretend its all apples to apples.
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04-11-2020 09:19 PM  7 months ago
elmobad

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spaceman spiff Fine. Feel free to ignore that this virus has only just showed up in the US for mere weeks.
Do you even care to do any fact checking before you type.... your own comments prove you don't.
spaceman spiff Feel free to ignore that extraordinary measures have been taken to slow it down. School closures. busines shut downs..
All your extraordinary measures you make claim to are kinda hard to ignore. They are single-handedly destroying everything!!!
spaceman spiff and extra ordinary things are having to be done to save folks who get it.
Yes the nearly identical treatments for patients with life threatening FLU and pneumonia... it sucks I no disagreement there I guess we all can take a happy thought of the 29,263 in the US who recovered to date.

Why are you so hell bent on spreading FEAR!!

I beg and plead with you all stop the FEAR-MONGERING. Why not disuse solutions to getting everyone back to work making our workforce and economy healthy again. PLEASE!!
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04-11-2020 09:36 PM  7 months ago
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You avoid points almost as well as my Flatter. Well done.
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04-11-2020 10:38 PM  7 months ago
spaceman spiff

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"I beg and plead with you all stop the FEAR-MONGERING. Why not disuse solutions to getting everyone back to work making our workforce and economy healthy again. PLEASE!!"

I am not an advocate of complancency.

Asia has done a much better job of containment. Use of masks are common there when some one has a cold. Yup just for the common cold. Not a common practice here. I curently am using just a bandana as a mask when i go grocery shopping, better than nothing. I ordered some proper masks, and can improve the bandana by placing a sheet of Heppa vaccuum clealer bag.

If everyone is using masks maybe the restrictions can open up a bit? The shutdowns are devistating to the ecconomy. No argument there.

Vacines are comming, but no doubt it will be a while. Good luck to us all.
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04-11-2020 10:44 PM  7 months ago
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This virus is beyond any disruption we all could’ve imaged. Who would ever thought Vegas is a ghost town. Vegas chose to value human life over money. A decision that could only been have been made by high level consideration.

Some of us are very smart ...however not wise. While we’ll have others that will always be perplexed & don’t get it or will always see past the present while it sounded straight forwarded to us. That I have learn is “NORMAL”.

We can focus on all the bad or we can see pass that and understand how fragile everything already was.

All the wise & intelligent people already got it while the rest are running around scared and hoarding while society capitalizes [doing what it does best]. Which is “NOTHING NEW”... just the content on the internet has changed.

Keep the faith, understand it’s temporarily, sit around the dinner table with those that care about us, straighten up the house, get our affair in order, finish old projects, help those around us, show compassion and gratitude.

If this virus is made in China, it won’t last long.
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04-11-2020 10:52 PM  7 months ago
SoCal Scott

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elmobad There are piles of REAL data.. If you CHOOSE not to find it and CHOOSE to BELIEVE all the BS data thats on you. It not hard to find it, but you need to look for it.
I’m asking you to site your sources. I would be grateful if you could post a link, because I can’t find any of this “real” info you’re talking about.
elmobad DEATH SUCKS I DON'T THINK ANYONE DISAGREES WITH THAT.
We don't shut the country's economy down for all the much more worse numbers.

You don't hear daily minute to minute reports every 37 seconds on new another person died from hart failure.
The economy is far from shut down. And you’re right, heart disease kills the most people every year and hardly gets any attention. Mosquitoes kills more people than any animal on the planet thanks to malaria. But the real problem with this is I can’t die because someone else has heart disease. Someone else’s stupidity can harm me because they decide to “prank” and cough on some groceries. That’s the real issue with this. COVID has the ability to spread at rates far exceeding influenza. And it very well could kill more people than heart disease. That’s why this needs to be snuffed out, ASAP.
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04-11-2020 11:24 PM  7 months ago
elmobad

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spaceman spiff I am not an advocate of complancency.
You already made it clear you advocate FEAR.
spaceman spiff Vacines are comming, but no doubt it will be a while. Good luck to us all.
Yep there coming, just like the flu vaccine.
Nearly 60,000 people die every year from the common Flu even with a vaccine. Accept this year, this year it's a miracle flu deaths down 50-60%.
SoCal Scott I’m asking you to site your sources. I would be grateful if you could post a link, because I can’t find any of this “real” info you’re talking about.
Nope, I not going to hold your hand. You want to claim you cant find actually legitimate sources that's on you. They are a goggle search away. I not walking into that trap or playing those games.
SoCal Scott The economy is far from shut down.
What rock or island do you live on....oh wait
SoCal Scott Someone else’s stupidity can harm me because they decide to “prank” and cough on some groceries. That’s the real issue with this.
This is were your now going...WOW ok again no thanks!
SoCal Scott COVID has the ability to spread at rates far exceeding influenza.
According to what studies... they are still deep into trying to figure all that out nothing conclusive just yet. Lots of possibilities of how it spreads.
SoCal Scott That’s why this needs to be snuffed out, ASAP.
How again will they do that, common flu has been researched now for a long while now and according to current research it's still around. No I am not providing that data either.
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04-11-2020 11:48 PM  7 months ago
spaceman spiff

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" You already made it clear you advocate FEAR. "

OK. I cough and fart in your general direction then. Good luck.
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04-11-2020 11:54 PM  7 months ago
elmobad

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I am completely protected.
My mask of Tiger fur and butterflies wings will keep me safe.
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04-12-2020 12:05 AM  7 months ago
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I haven't being home in almost three days
It is a beautiful day in the neighborhood and my family is ok. I am thankful for that.
At work, the story is like this:
-Not enough PPE
-Not enough staff
-Too many cases
-Not enough resources
-Staff getting infected
-Frustration
-Not enough data
-Bunch of question we can't answer
-Long hours
-Very few good news to keep us going
I never thought I will live to see something like this. This is a nightmare. I called my colleagues in NY and NJ and they are en even worse shape. I hope you guys are right and this is all a "farce". I can tell you one thing, my staff is overwhelmed and can't catch a break. I read all the reports on MMWR, and they do not look good. The official numbers for severe cases are off the charts. We can't keep up.
Thesw had beed the most difficult weeks in my life.
I am really tired and extremely sad about the patients perishing cause we can't keep up.
One of my buddies was aupposed to open his brewery last month. I was supposed to be enjoying the spring and and drinking beer. Instead, we are just trying to prevent more people from developing severe manifestations and my friend is about to lose all his investment.
I am out of steam, and this freacking virus does not slow down fast enough for us to respond properly.
Stay safe!
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04-12-2020 04:36 AM  7 months ago
Al Austria

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6,000+ deaths worldwide due to COVID-19 today:

1,800+ deaths in the US due to COVID-19 today:
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04-12-2020 04:59 AM  7 months ago
SoCal Scott

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elmobad How again will they do that, common flu has been researched now for a long while now and according to current research it's still around. No I am not providing that data either.
Have you ever heard of polio? Smallpox? Measles? All of these are essentially extinct in every first world country thanks to vaccines. Your biases are really hindering you from seeing anything that doesn’t fit in your worldview.

Once again, you cannot compare influenza (orthomyxoviridae) and coronavirus (coronaviridae) in this regard. Unlike COVID, influenza’s genome has eight segments of RNA. And they like to recombine amongst themselves when a cell is coinfected with another, potentially different strain of influenza. That’s why influenza is hard to deal with and make a vaccine to eradicate it; mutations occur frequently. As of right now there is no consensus nor evidence on whether COVID-19 has mutated yet, but would you really rather take the risk and prolong it? Or maybe the billionaires that own this country can should see their profits slowed for a short period while us working class people protect ourselves and end COVID. Remember viruses need vectors to spread: read HUMANS. Just a thought.
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04-12-2020 06:55 AM  7 months ago
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SoCal Scott Your biases are really hindering you from seeing anything that doesn’t fit in your worldview.
Sorry to burst your bubble, I have zero biases on worldviews. Could not be farther from the truth.

My concern is the truth, and what is being shoved down our throats is anything but.

I am not ignorant to the fact people are getting sick, my problem is the entirely of the current events dont warrant the cause to every location.

The fear this event is causing in most locations is more devastating then the virus itself.

Your free to your opinions but that does not validate the response, to the nation a large.
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04-12-2020 04:22 PM  7 months ago
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I have asked others what is your solution? I will give you mine. We are fighting WW2 again but this is WW3 (and I am serious about this) We are fighting 2 fronts, COV-19 and O&G. Both have the ability to bring us down. My solution is a 100% import tax on oil. That will bring the oil prices back up to 2019 prices where our O&G can survive. There is not a 'switch' on O&G once it is shut down it will take years to turn it back on. Our country is O&G dependent, and OPEC is destroying our success with a fight with Russia. They will depress the prices (I hear $10/bbl prices) until they have killed our production. When this happens the dominos will begin to fall. Right behind that is the chemical plant industry. O&G and Chem are intertwined one cannot function without the other. This industry is a 'super domino' setup. These plants also do not throttle well and cannot run at 20% we discovered in '08' plant startups are very time & labor consuming. Without these Chem plants our life style will change forever without plastics. OCD may have been right in her 12 year prediction but for the wrong reasons.

COV-19 is destroying consumption and OPEC is destroying supply with a huge bulge in the middle that is about to burst. We need to get consumption back up and supply back under control. We can deal with a one front war but a two sided war is almost un-winnable in the long run and the longer it goes on the harder it will be to dig our way out. When you find yourself in a hole, STOP digging.

Now back to my opening statement on taxing the O&G. The rest of the world can do what ever they want but this has taught us to become more reliant on our manufacturing and resources. Because after our O&G has been destroyed, OPEC will raise oil prices again as in the 70's and 80's. All industries would be required to purchase domestic oil, for any domestic uses. We survived at 40.00+ oil which is good for our economy. The taxes will help offset current losses in revenue as the O&G is ramping up. If O&G fails that is 14M high paying jobs. This alone will damage the economy. WHy would OPEC (Saudi's want $10 or 20 oil when they have to pump 2 - 4 times the amount. To destroy US production, that is the only reason.

This proposal is not self serving as you may think. I am in Refrigeration which covers EVERY aspect of EVERYONES life reading this. I have worked in this industry for over 45 years and know O&G-Chems/Comm A/C. Destroy Refrigeration and you will take down this country sending it back to a third world country. My job is steady until the end.

This small demonstration has taught the 'One World Order' people are out to destroy us and line their pockets. I am hearing this was not a mistake but a well orchestrated plan by China. They have 1.8B people and they sacrificed some to unleash this on the world. The US is their enemy and they knew they could not win a guns war even with the amount of people they have. War has turned to technology and the US had the edge so they went one step further into a biological war. It may have slipped out prematurely but do not doubt this was a concerted effort on China's part.
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04-13-2020 07:10 AM  7 months ago
Al Austria

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5,400+ deaths worldwide due to COVID-19 today:

1,500+ deaths in the US due to COVID-19 today:
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04-13-2020 08:20 AM  7 months ago
SoCal Scott

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elmobad My concern is the truth, and what is being shoved down our throats is anything but.
Judging by the downvotes on my post that contains factual scientific information, I’d wager you and another particular member are not really looking for truth

It’s evident you aren’t fearful of this because you either 1. Don’t understand; or 2. Don’t want to understand.

Don’t you think its odd our big macho conservative US President Trump is willing to tarnish his legacy following the Obama administration by willingly letting our economy crumble? You’re right they’re not telling us everything. It’s probably far worse if Trump is onboard with the measures being taken. Spin “were not being told the truth” harder next time for me please.

In conclusion, keep at home and in a year or two when this all blows over, I’m sure you’ll be the one of the first to say “well only X amount of people died!! The whole thing was overblown/hoax/pick your adjective”. And well... that means our efforts to mitigate this thing was successful and we can move on - hopefully more prepared and vigilant for the next pandemic.
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04-13-2020 12:46 PM  7 months ago
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Jerry K but do not doubt this was a concerted effort on China's part.
no more unrest in HK, the uprising died down due to influence
side effect; WorldWideWhatever
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