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03-24-2020 03:34 PM  13 months ago
vfinohio

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Just my two cents....

Yes the government stepping in is a pain. The problem is that not everyone is as responsible as you or I might be on our own. Stupid people being irresponsible forces the government to intervene. Just look how some irresponsible drone operators have impacted our hobby. I am not saying I'm a fan of government intervention but I also don't want to get corona because some college student felt the need to party with a couple hundred people on Spring Break and then handed me my burger and fries through the drive-thru.

As far as numbers, the statistics here are likely deceptive. The US does not have the resources to even test most people, let alone everyone. Only a limited number of people are getting tested. Do the math for Italy. That is what we are trying to avoid.

A number I heard from our state government(Ohio) is that up to 15% of those over 80 who get the disease will die. Yes most of us are younger and will be fine even if we get the disease. My mom is 83 and I'd prefer she stick around awhile longer.

One of the main reasons for the restrictions is to flatten the curve on the number of new cases so the health care systems can keep up. There will be more cases but if there are too many cases too fast there won't be enough beds, supplies, safety equipment. If we can slow the progression, the supply of medical equipment and available beds can keep up with demand. We aren't going to be able to just stop the virus by stopping things for two weeks but hopefully we can control its advance.

COVID-19 is more contagious and more deadly but it's not going to wipe out the population by any means. This virus will progress. More people will get sick but if we can take precautions, be respectful, and take care of our friends and family we'll all be okay. My advice is disconnect for awhile. We have an opportunity at least to spend some quality time with the immediate family, take some time to get outside and fly or if you can't, work on a model in the workshop.

Remember that if at the end we all say that this was all stupid and nobody even got sick, then maybe, just maybe we actually got it right!

Take care everybody!
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03-24-2020 04:34 PM  13 months ago
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dschertz Why don't you take yourself down to one of the ICU units in a hospital in an area that are having a lot of cases. This is just getting going and Michigan Hospitals are already running out of ventilators.
And you think that would help our situation? Because there are no cases of COVID-19 in my county (or the 6 counties around me), I'll have to rely on you to describe the situation in Michigan. Information I'll need is, are they running out of ventilators because of an overwhelming influx of patients, or is it that the local hospitals were poorly prepared and underfunded from decades of economic decline? Tell me about the people there and their lifestyle. I don't know them but if we really want to drill down to what is happening, we need more than broad brush numbers. Elsewhere you have wrongly concluded I don't care about some particular group. I'll address that later but as we talk about Michigan's situation, I need to know why and who is getting sick. If you are sincere about helping these people, we need to ask, why are the hospitals in Michigan being overwhelmed when there are no reported cases of COVID-19 for the 6 counties around me. (The same question applies to Italy. We'll get to that later.)
dschertz It's very easily spread and while you don't seem to care about you getting sick many are and will.
Hmmm... You are mistaken. I do care if I get sick. In fact much of my writing has been to try and tease out what the actual risk is.
dschertz I've noticed your lack of concern in other posts about those who are high risk.
Again... You are mistaken. You've taken my not unrealistic questions and turned them into an insult. My 88 year old mother-in-law lives 8 minutes down the street in an assisted living home. My father-in-law gets pneumonia every winter and spends 2 weeks in the hospital. Additionally he has COPD. I am very concerned for both of them. If either of them gets COVID-19, it is my belief they won't live to see next Christmas.
dschertz Is it just your natural selection mentality that does that?
It is my refusal to live my life in a padded room and I ask questions because I refuse to be a sheep. Possibly there is a little natural selection thinking involved. I'm not going to tell others how to live their life, but if you make bad life's decisions, it's unlikely you're going to live to 100.
dschertz You seem to be a very selfish person.
I'm inclined to ignore this. It would be pathetic and insincere for me to stomp my foot and announce "people like me" - so I won't. I will say that it amazes me that you came to that wide reaching and insulting conclusion. How could you have possibly concluded I'm a "very selfish person"? Fascinating.
dschertz I'm guessing you would act different if it happened to someone you care about or yourself because healthy people are dying too or is that what you are going to call "fake news?"
Again... This is difficult to respond to because you've begun with the incorrect conclusion I don't care about those that are sick. I care about them and, yes, I care about the people around me too. As for "fake news", I wouldn't put it like that. Possibly you've heard this before but, "There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics." The implication of the adage is that statistics can be less valuable than a damn lie. When you hear a statistic, your ears should go up. There is a very good possibility someone is lying to you. 33,000 cases of COVID-19? Interesting statistic. Logically you should immediately ask many many more questions.
dschertz Ask Italy if it's fake that they are picking people who aren't going to get treatment.
I am sincerely saddened by their plight. Nothing I say from here forward will change that. Now. In order to learn something from Italy we need to know more. Rather than give you my thoughts, let me ask you, why do you think Italy is having such a difficult time with this? Can you give me some ideas? I have some but I'd like to hear yours first.

I've already put too much time into this. I felt the need to respond because almost everything you said was incorrect.

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03-24-2020 07:57 PM  13 months ago
Heli Fanatix

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** this topic is not appropriate for children or adults that act childred **

Everyone is right in their own mind.
Weather or not it’s correct depends on who is interrupting it.

We always want to win, that is why we keep on replying. It’s normal behavior.

To be understood we have to understand. And understanding is what 80% lack. Common sense isn’t built in [those that lack are ones that say: “I don’t know & I don’t care”]

There is no discussion that things are not good in S Korea & Italy.

S Korea handle the problem well b/c they’ve taken it seriously from government to citizen.

Watch at YouTube

Some will say,”Hell no! GOV will track us”

Some will say,”Thats great .. we’re on board”

Some will say,”sure .. whatever”

... NORMAL BEHAVIOR. Same for forum as in life.

Italy has a older population with a close contact culture [lots of kissing & touching] The virus exploded from nursing facility. Started with the older population down to people in 20’s.

This virus has travel around the world and everywhere except Antarctica within 2 months.

Don’t be surprise if it’s in your neighborhood and please be prepared.
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03-25-2020 01:47 AM  13 months ago
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In reference to the above... We need to reconcile our response, Korea's response and Japan's. I will be the first to admit that the answers are unknowable at the moment but the questions are still valid. Please read the article below. I should point out that the article includes a byline of Hollie McKay/Fox News. Depending on who you trust for your news, you may want to consider the source.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/japan...avirus-outbreak
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03-25-2020 03:04 AM  13 months ago
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Holy smokes! In my original post I was merely trying to lend a little humor into this/my situation. Remaining in my house for whatever reason is god-awful boring.

As to the virus, I personally am far more concerned about getting killed/losing everything due to a forest fire caused by the long standing purposeful negligent behavior of my State controlled public utility (PG&E).
The older I get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.
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04-03-2020 08:55 PM  13 months ago
reddragon

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Helitom thanks for the post. It made me smile and think of my days as well. Wayne - Fly it like you stole it! You're in good hands with Runryder!
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04-03-2020 10:27 PM  13 months ago
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Amador County only has 3 reported cases of COVID-19.
My parents, who live in Jackson (down the hill from the OP in Pine Grove) are in the late 80's are scared to go to the Safeway or Ace because of the people that think it is their right to get COVID-19 and hate the government.

While I wholeheartedly endorse your right to kill yourself by what ever means you chose or get sick with a highly contagious deadly virus, I do not endorse your right to pass on your infection to my parents.
I do not support your right to kill yourself by what ever means you chose or get sick with a highly contagious deadly virus and fail to die. Because then you become a burden to the rest of society.

But, I guess that is too simple for some people to comprehend.
I think it may be time for this thread to get moved to the "Off Topic - News & Politics"

I predict that sometime in the next 3 to 6 months, as the COVID-19 deaths start to pile up in a state like Florida, someone will pull out a gun and shoot the guy next to them because they sneezed.
Florida has the "Stand Your Ground" law. And I bet someone there will think that "... sneezing too close to me" a deadly threat and they have no other option.
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Believe 1/2 of what you see and none of what you hear.
Fake News will be the downfall of our Republic!
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04-05-2020 11:05 PM  13 months ago
elmobad

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ticedoff8 While I wholeheartedly endorse your right to kill yourself by what ever means you chose or get sick with a highly contagious deadly virus
Or is it
ticedoff8 I do not support your right to kill yourself by what ever means you chose or get sick with a highly contagious deadly virus and fail to die.
Mabe you should decide your own position other then way way way out LEFTest verbal diarrhea.
ticedoff8 people that think it is their right to get COVID-19 and hate the government.
The constitution protects your right the live with out tyrannical government policies like what some local governments agencies are trying to enforce.
I understand now that you most choose to swing to the left, but I choose to be free.

I encourage you to keep your parents safe. I dont want to see you get hurt or get sick. If you have thoughts of killing yourself or others you should get help. I encourage you to be safe.
But spreading fear is very very dangerous.
ticedoff8 But, I guess that is too simple for some people to comprehend.
I agree that you are having trouble with that thought, but that's your right to be simple.

I encourage and endorse us all to be safe, be generally cautious with how we go about are day to day activities. Wash your hands, dont touch your face, and especially be patient with the simple people who dont get it.
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04-06-2020 08:54 PM  13 months ago
readytofly

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elmobad Dumb.... not really what I call it.
Unconstitutional and Illegal yes. These liberal Democrats have no right to enforce these "orders".

"1st amendment is first for a reason. 2nd amendment if 1st does not work out"

Should we as a society use caution absolutely, should we a society limit OURSELVES (by our choice) from large events sure.

Should the gobernment A-holes force
businesses to close, force people to stay in our homes, NO "f***ing way".

Like I have been saying forever. Keep saying yes or ok or whatever you need to say to pacify yourself into think "the government is doing it for our own good".

Saying NO becomes harder and harder to say untill one day, that day is come closer and closer. Saying NO wont be any option...
Jesus Christ, dude, this is the silliest speech I have ever seen.

we are in the middle of the more dangerous and severe pandemic outbreak of a disease over the last 100 years and you are saying that we should be given the right to chose? you even mention the constitution?

do you really think that "we", the common guy, the layman, can judge e decide about things of this magnitude?

if it were only about you, I would say "go get sick and die". the problem is that, by doing so, you will kill many other people in the process. and, some of the people you will kill, may be my beloved ones.

that is the point, you see?

I hate democrats, but nobody is always wrong. if they are endorsing the mandatory quarantine because this is the only way to save lives and stop the spread of the disease, they are right. if they are doing this because they want to see america broken to win the next election, then they are assholes.

I myself believe that it is going to be a disgrace for the country if this lock down continues for too long, but... is there an option? can we go back to a "normal life" and keep the spread of the virus restrained? it seems we can not.

time to face reality. we are all ****ed. let's just not make things get worse.
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04-06-2020 09:36 PM  13 months ago
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All that's needed to curtail the spread is a face mask for everyone inside of closed buildings and sanitary measures stepped up. Work can resume for all.

Having a shut down this long without any word of it's end is ludicrous and just wrong for those arbitrarily deemed "non-essential" workers.

What's the interest rate to the $2trillion dollar stimulus plan? Your kids, kids, kids future that's what.

You think a virus kills people, so does poverty. Poverty annihilates the future.

For once I do agree with what Trump said, we need to get back to work. It's obvious what spreads this virus and we obviously have the means and knowledge, so what the heck?
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04-06-2020 09:53 PM  13 months ago
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I found a few standard masks and cheap bandanas that can be used to make half decent masks on Amazon.
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04-06-2020 10:28 PM  13 months ago
readytofly

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RappyTappy All that's needed to curtail the spread is a face mask for everyone inside of closed buildings and sanitary measures stepped up. Work can resume for all.

Having a shut down this long without any word of it's end is ludicrous and just wrong for those arbitrarily deemed "non-essential" workers.

What's the interest rate to the $2trillion dollar stimulus plan? Your kids, kids, kids future that's what.

You think a virus kills people, so does poverty. Poverty annihilates the future.

For once I do agree with what Trump said, we need to get back to work. It's obvious what spreads this virus and we obviously have the means and knowledge, so what the heck?
More attention should be given to develop a system (good masks) that would protect us from getting infected when in public places. I have been defending it for weeks when I talk to people.

Totally agree that any shut down can not last forever or for too long. Jobs will be lost and it will be devastating for many families and for the country.

The problem is, can it be done? It seems no country has really considered putting this in place. The 1st problem is that the stock of good and effective masks doesn't seem to be enough. Also, there are situations in which you simply cannot wear a mask. You can not wear a mask when you are eating in a restaurant, for example. So, how can a restaurant or a bar work normally?

Yes, everyone needs to go back to work, but it can not depend on one's free will. It isn't an individual decision, because your decision may **** with me.

Keep in mind that this thing is terribly infectious and deadly. You can not compare it to any influenza or flu virus. Check the many videos about this disgrace on Youtube. Any mistake may cost your loved ones lives.
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04-06-2020 10:49 PM  13 months ago
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readytofly we are in the middle of the more dangerous and severe pandemic outbreak of a disease over the last 100 years and you are saying that we should be given the right to chose?
I've been told this is a severe pandemic. I'm not yet convinced.
readytofly if it were only about you, I would say "go get sick and die". the problem is that, by doing so, you will kill many other people in the process.
I don't take it as a given that people with the flu will immediately and directly kill many other people.
readytofly I hate democrats, but nobody is always wrong. if they are endorsing the mandatory quarantine because this is the only way to save lives and stop the spread of the disease, they are right.
First of all, it is absolutely possible for someone to always be wrong. Additionally, it is entirely possible for everyone to be wrong. It's one of the more important lessons I've tried to teach my children. Huge masses of well meaning people can all be wrong. Below is a short clip full of people that believed they had found the one and only right path. 100's of thousand of people can all be wrong. History is full of great rafts of people that thought they were right, and weren't.

Watch at YouTube

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04-06-2020 11:49 PM  13 months ago
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>10,000 death with the most dramatic measures. I can't begin to imagine without all the stay home and social distancing.
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04-07-2020 12:25 AM  13 months ago
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readytofly Jesus Christ, dude, this is the silliest speech I have ever seen.
Ignorant comments are yours to make, good job.
readytofly if it were only about you, I would say "go get sick and die". the problem is that, by doing so, you will kill many other people in the process. and, some of the people you will kill, may be my beloved ones.
Why is this the go to reaction of the ignorant.....Again stop with all this hateful disillusionment of killing people. I choose to stay safe and take all the necessary precautions to do so and so should we all. If you are having thoughts of killing people I beg you to get help.

Continue to spread fear, then all you who so badly want to see people die will get your chance.

The greatest threat to everyone else is FEAR.
If you live in NYC or other highly infected locations, then yes take every step possible to stay indoors.

All this fear mongering will do is put EVERYONE in a position of deep poverty. So like I said before stay safe, not stupid.
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04-07-2020 12:54 AM  13 months ago
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Xterra >10,000 death with the most dramatic measures.
Let's talk about that.... According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017.(reference provided below). Doing the math, that is about 7,700 deaths per day. Let's assume the >10,000 number you quoted is for February and March. Those two month are 60 days so we would expect 462,000 American to have died over this period of time. Are you suggesting an additional 10,000 Americans have died? This year we will see 472,000 vs 462,000 deaths? Maybe. I have a doubt.
Xterra I can't begin to imagine without all the stay home and social distancing.
I know I'm being contrary, but I think we really do need to "imagine". There is the very real possibility there would only been an uptick in America's mortality.
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
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04-08-2020 12:14 AM  13 months ago
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It was a lose-lose situation for the politicians. If they did nothing and it overwhelmed our medical facilities people would be up in arms. If they do issue stay-at-home orders, they will never be able to measure the number of lives saved, so people will still be mad at them.
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04-08-2020 01:23 AM  13 months ago
Xterra

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We just got close to 2,000 registered deaths due to COVID today alone -with the stay home orders.
You get that right? I am gonna admit I was wrong. I really did not think we will get to 10k. I desperately need a drink now.

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04-08-2020 01:47 PM  13 months ago
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Xterra We just got close to 2,000 registered deaths due to COVID today alone -with the stay home orders.
You get that right? I am gonna admit I was wrong. I really did not think we will get to 10k.
No- I don't have enough data to understand what you are telling me. You say "2,000 registered deaths due to COVID today alone." First of all, I'll need a reference when you post a "fact" like that.

But assuming the 2,000 number is correct, is that in addition to the 7,700 Americans that statistically die everyday? Are you saying 9,700 died Americans died yesterday? Or are you saying the typical 7,700 Americans died yesterday and 26% had the flu?

Going on, I need to know more about the 2,000 that you suggest died yesterday. I need to know who they were and how they lived. We have decimated our society and economy. I need to know why and for whom.
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04-08-2020 03:04 PM  13 months ago
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wjvail We have decimated our society and economy. I need to know why and for whom.
Pretty simple
The why would be to prevent unneeded deaths
The who would be us American citizens

but by all of your posts on this subject
I would say that your looking for some other nefarious reason
that doesnt exist except in the TIN FOIL Hat REGIMES

And even if you do come up with something that fits whatever theory that suits you
then what?
you going to start a revolution ?
ageing is manditory maturity is optional
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