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03-09-2020 03:23 AM 21 days ago

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UKhelinoob

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Well guys it's over with this Orange TX. I think that it's a faulty board or a wiring problem inside. The only way to find out if the wiring are connect right is to look inside a another TX, so in the end, I decided to buy a JR X-3810 instead of another Orange TX.. Because how do I know that will be faulty too.. However, I wonder if the Corona 2.4Ghz CT8J Module will work with the Spektrum RX in the Raptor, since it is DSSS.. If it does then I won't have to pull it all out..

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03-10-2020 04:43 PM 20 days ago

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UKhelinoob

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Guys.. I just brought this Transmitter and I had a 50 to 50 chance that it would be the heli version. Phew I got lucky and it is. What do you think of using it for my Raptor 60, and here's pictures of it, and my heli too. Before a start taking the side frames off (Work on one side then the other) and adding the new carbon fiber side frames, carbon fiber collective lever, lower chassis stiffing plates, and alloy parts to the rotor head too (The heli came with another complete frame, rotor head, larger fuel tank 550cc, a ys60 engine)..

But one thing that I would like to do, is having the tail servo mounted onto the boom (carbon fiber boom ordered). Though I'm unable to find the servo mounting bracket to do it (Part number PV0321), and the control rod too

Oh, I was surprised that you can still find parts for this heli and upgrades too (Though some upgrades are hard to find), and this is going to be my build thread now..

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03-10-2020 05:48 PM 20 days ago

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I really do feel like we are being trolled and it seems to be working. Just in case you are actually serious - Quit spending money on antiques and junk and buy an up to date transmitter and receiver. You will spend less money in the end.Phil Heavin

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03-10-2020 06:20 PM 20 days ago

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UKhelinoob

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nope your not beaning trolled at all... My other TX a JR XP8103 is up to date for a old heli..

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03-11-2020 01:58 AM 19 days ago

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JuanRodriguez

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Ph7 took the words right out of my mouth !!!

You’re falling right back to your old tricks .... that is , you’re buying old antiquated stuff no one wants just because you think it’s a “good deal” , then you spend a ton of $ on “upgrades”.... then, you never finish the projects and wind up trying to sell the junk !

Have I got this just about right ???

You haven’t learned a thing from your past mistakes !!!

Take ph7’s advice and get some up to date equipment where you’ll have half a chance to complete the project and maybe actually fly it !!!Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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03-11-2020 02:39 AM 19 days ago

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UKhelinoob

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It maybe your , and ph7 opinion (No pun intended).. But I was told that the JR XP8103 (Which he binded to a Orange Rx for me) is OK to use with the Raptor..

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03-11-2020 05:43 AM 19 days ago

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UKhelinoob Guys.. I just brought this Transmitter and I had a 50 to 50 chance that it would be the heli version. Phew I got lucky and it is. What do you think of using it for my Raptor 60, and here's pictures of it, and my heli too. Before a start taking the side frames off (Work on one side then the other) and adding the new carbon fiber side frames, carbon fiber collective lever, lower chassis stiffing plates, and alloy parts to the rotor head too (The heli came with another complete frame, rotor head, larger fuel tank 550cc, a ys60 engine)..

Oh, I was surprised that you can still find parts for this heli and upgrades too (Though some upgrades are hard to find), and this is going to be my build thread now..

That's an old PCM10. It's a 512 resolution radio. You can use it, I had one back in the day but it was not smooth like today's radios are. I flew this radio on FM using Airtronic's dual conversion receivers. The PCM stuff was horrible back then.Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.

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03-11-2020 12:19 PM 19 days ago

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Rojoalfa

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Your choice is ok.
The only thing you keep into consideration is that your trims are analogs...
When you get used to digital trims, you fail to check this.

/Saludos cordiales,

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03-11-2020 05:15 PM 19 days ago

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Heli Fanatix

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We can use whatever we want as along as we are able to have support so we can use it for its intended purpose.

Please consider the option to try to have the person who ever sold to us help set it up.

This hobby would be less effort if someone would be able to walk us through step by step [preferably in person hands on].

If it’s not possible, the concept is get familiar with what’s involve and dedicate ourselves to get familiar with it.

Unfortunately the equipment we discussed about has little support and takes a lot of effort when trying to achieve lift off. Mistakes on purchases, build and flying can be compounded in this expensive hobby.

Research and ask intelligent questions before we buy otherwise we are doing figure 8’s on the ground and creating our own misfortune.

We found this informative ... give it a look

https://www.rchelicopterfun.com/

Hope this helps.

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03-11-2020 05:50 PM 19 days ago

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UKhelinoob

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Thanks for you positive info, as for my transmitters. They both arrived.. But I sure do like the JR PCM10.. Because it has all the heli features on it, and it sure does feel nice in my hands (Rubber grips on the sides and back), so I'll end up using it for my raptor 60.. But it needs a new battery pack, so I'll get a 9.9v LiFe battery pack and a new backup battery too, Also I replace some of the old caps on the board too (Same as the other TX).. Then they'll be both good as new..

Plus, It has high quality sticks too (But no digital trims thought), AND both are in great condition too, and the other will be for my x-cell 60 that's coming..

Plus both can be changed to 2.4GHz..

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03-11-2020 06:04 PM 19 days ago

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Heli Fanatix

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What you want to do is one way to think since it appears like we like to “tinker” and “nostalgic”.

This would be my 2 cent:

JR 9503X
- everything you want to do and more
- classic appearance

Or a dated, however worthwhile

Spectrum DX7 first generation
- very affordable

Maybe you can consider these options after things don’t go to plan.

We would rather see you invest money on a worthy TX [that’s ready to use] vs back up packs and upgrades.

FYI
We fly with a JR9503X with Sanyo Nimh enloop for last 8 years.

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03-11-2020 06:06 PM 19 days ago

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UKhelinoob

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I Sure will Thanks.. But I do like older TX's especially JR.. To me they aren't too outdated..

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03-11-2020 09:14 PM 18 days ago

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Heli Fanatix

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When “What we like” makes our decisions than we must understand:
“What got us here will not get us to where we want to be.”

We are in a great technological digital era and if we don’t feel like we need to evolve with the changes, than we will always have exactly what we got [a thread with 32 post deep trying to “make it work” vs “getting it done”]

Unless I’m mistaken, some may actually like to wrench & tweak vs being up in the sky.

However we do understand your attachment to the hobby. This is why our Hirobo Shuttle with FM TX project is still sitting after 30 years. It started with an nostalgic thought, than after a few road blocks & fumble ...it wasn’t so fun after all. So we updated the software in our head and charted a new course. Hard to go against current trends since we’re having too much fun flying with the new advances.

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03-12-2020 04:31 PM 18 days ago

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UKhelinoob

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Yep your right (I always say that), as my OLD JR Transmitters... I took the back off the PCM10 one and found no tampering was done inside, so I replaced most of the electrolytic caps with solid state Tantalum Capacitors. But still waiting for the 100UF 25V one to come. It's near the backup battery, so I bet it holds a small charge for the backup battery.. You see the electrolytic caps will dry up over the years (They have liquid inside), and so their value will change. Doing so will change how the Transmitter will work.. The Tantalum Capacitor dosent have liquid inside, so once soldered in you can forget them failing..

However, since they have a positive leg too (Like the Electrolytic caps).. If you have one accidentally reversed it will go off like a small hand grenade (Blow it's top). Because it did happen to me once working on a old Amiga Computer board (The loud noise made my dogs jump)..

Now for the JR X-3810. That one had work done to it...Some of the wires were rejoined that go to 2 of the pots on the sticks (Each side).. The Orange wire which goes to one of the pots had a thicker red wire soldered to it and then to the pot. The brown wire had a red wire too solder to it, and that when to the other pot (both Ground).. 2 more wires with soldered different colored wires went to a solder pin on the same pots. Also the heatshrink used was too big for the wires. Plus a switch was damage too, so I replaced that by taking one from my Crappy Orange TX..

In the end, I took the correct colored wires from a very old JR TX and soldered them to the correct wires on the JR X-3810. Using smaller blue heat shrink. Now the job looks great (as it should be) But took me 2 hours.. whoever did it. It was a very long time ago.. I'm also going to replace the caps on the board too.. But they are SMD (Service mount devices).. though I haven't located the backup battery yet..

Plus I'm going to change it to 2.4GHz with the antenna moved to the top of the TX. (No wire showing).. That way it'll look like a 2.4GHz TX right out of the box (I should be called Tinkerman)...

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03-12-2020 04:40 PM 18 days ago

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Heli Fanatix

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We admire your extensive technical background to have the confidence to tackle this type of work along with the insight to articulate back to us.

This is a lot of work already done top of a lot of work to be done.

Keep in mind that this TX is our connection to the flying machete with what you say about electronic component degradation.

At least now we know where to send our JR TX. Keep doing what you’re doing as long as you enjoy it.

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03-12-2020 04:45 PM 18 days ago

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UKhelinoob

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Yep... You see I worked in electronics for 35 years. The PCM 10 would work fine. But with me working the other TX (It still worked). I have no dought it would have crapped out on me in the end.. You see I didn't pay much for these Transmitters, so I didn't mind if they needed work done to them. They might be old. But I still see them better the the Orange TX which wont correctly bind (JR is Better quality too)..

Oh, I also like these 2 TX'S Because the condition that they are in (Nice and Perfect).. Which is important to to me too..

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03-12-2020 06:20 PM 18 days ago

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Heli Fanatix

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It’s unwise to use the orange Clone TX as a reference.

Are you planning to stick with Flybar?

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03-13-2020 01:15 AM 17 days ago