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12-09-2019 08:49 AM  50 days ago
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Icharher 4010 a parallel board?
Folks still new to chargers and electric helis but see the the 4010 has 2 ports and parallel boards can have 6 chargering ports now. You put 6x parallel board and charge 6x 6s 5000mah batties a total of 12 batties can this do this or is this to much?
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12-09-2019 12:23 PM  50 days ago
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According to manual...

iCharger 4010 DUO can charge 10s Lipo battery backs on each channel, that's 20s at once! Producing up to 40amps per channel.

Different combination may occurs while taking into account max charge amps per channel.

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12-09-2019 12:34 PM  50 days ago
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It will handle it, if you have a big enough power supply you’ll be able to max the charger out, if not put it at max amps and go!! Because at 40 amps x 6 packs, that’s roughly 6.7 amps per pack. I doubt you’ll be charging 6 packs at a time. Yes only charge 2c, 2 times the mah of the pack, if it’s a 5000mah I will only charge at 10 amps max, some folks go higher...it’s personal preference.Minicopter Triabolo 700, Minicopter Diabolo 700, Minicopter Diabolo 600, Minicopter Diabolo 550, Goblin 770, HD 750, HD Cell 500
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12-10-2019 06:25 AM  50 days ago
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What would be a good power supply and is the 406 gust as good it seems to do a lot . I see that parallel board can fit 6 but than what would realasic to charger I trying too see what the best route to not sit a how for hours to go fly I don't mined 2 hours my be 3 I have my fist e heli its a 700 I won't to have at least 10 set of batties ready to go i see some people come to the field they bring a generator act I don't want do that I gust won't heli batties and fly.
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12-10-2019 03:36 PM  49 days ago
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Your power supply should be able to put out this:

Input Current 60A (47A single channel maximum)

And the power supply should be able to put out at least:

Voltage 10 - 30V DC
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12-10-2019 07:54 PM  49 days ago
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I wonder if you aren't expecting too much. I'm not saying what you're trying to do can't be done - I'm suggesting that you are chipping away at the limits of current model products.

For instance, the iCharger 4010 Duo is rated at 40 volts and 40 amps. That is 1,600 watts. The electrical outlet in your shop is probably something like 120 Volts and is probably using a 20 amp circuit breaker. That suggests the absolute upper limit of what you can get from a wall socket is around 2,400 watts. If you have anything else on that circuit, such as a shop light or Dremel, you are likely going to pop the breaker. Even if you could find a 30 volt 100 amp DC power supply, the wall socket won't put out that much power.

Understand that in the above example you are running the charger, power supply and the home outlet at close to 100% - and that is not something I personally recommend.

I wonder if you can't find a more "gentle" battery management regiment that wouldn't require so much power.?.?

Most large helicopter batteries are around 6S, 5,000mAh batteries. 6S is 25.2 volts and if you charge at 2C, you would be charging at 10amps per pack. That is 250 watts per pack. Parallel charging 4 packs would get you to around 1,000 watts. Using this example you would be able to charge 4 packs in a little over 30 minutes and stay within the specs for all equipment. If you needed more packs for a day's flying, start charging earlier. You could either do two charge cycles for 8 packs, or charge at 1C (5 amps/per pack) for 8 packs but expect it to take a little over an hour.

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12-11-2019 04:09 AM  49 days ago
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Well thanks wjvai that's what lam thing 4 batties a one port a total of 8 batties know both the 4010 and the 406 icharger can do this? And the power supply can a one drict me the witch brand is good act?
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12-11-2019 06:22 AM  49 days ago
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About power supplies... I'm sure others have their opinion of what is a good power supply. I personally have an eFuel and Chargery power supply and like both of them. Notice that both of these units are are at or below 1,500 watts. Again, this reflects the limitations of a household wall outlet.

https://www.progressiverc.com/charg...wer-supply.html
https://www.motionrc.com/products/s...mp-power-supply

Mean Well power supplies are well respected. The power supply noted below is capable of supplying 2,000 watts but only if connected to 220 volts input.

https://www.progressiverc.com/mean-...wer-supply.html

As for parallel charging multiple packs.... I assume you are using a parallel board similar to the one BuddyRC sells (see link below). It is possible to "daisy-chain" these together allowing you to theoretically parallel charge any number of batteries off a single charger port. For instance, you could, if you choose to, charge 18 6s packs simultaneously off a single port of your 4010 duo. If you choose to do that, you would set the charger to 6S and charge at 40 amps (the limit of the charger). In doing so you would be charging at 1,000 watts (25 V x 40 amps) and each pack would be receiving about 2.2 amps (40 amps ÷ 18 packs). Assuming you're charging 5,000 mAh batteries, your 18 packs would take a little over 2 hours to charge (5,000 mAh ÷ 2.2 amps).

In short, you will be able to parallel charge any number of 6s batteries with your charger but know that the limitation will be that the total power output is capped at about 1,000 watts (25.2 volts x 40 amps). Notice that 40 amps is the absolute limit of the charger and also the fuses on the Paraboard. For the longevity of your equipment you might consider charging at something less than 40 amps.

At the risk of beating a dead horse, here's another example. You could connect 2 ParaBoards to your 4010 using each of the two sides of the charger. On each board you could connect 6, 6S/5,000mah batteries for a total of 12 batteries. Given limitless power you might try to charge these batteries at 2C or 10 amps each. Since there are 12 batteries you might try and charge each side at 60 amps for a total of 120 amps. Since your batteries are 25.2 volts (6 x 4.2), you would be (trying) to charge at 3,000 watts. That, of course, far exceeds the capability of your power outlet (not to mention the charger and power supply). Since a pack voltage of 25.2 is fixed (for a 6S battery) your only solution would be to reduce the charge current. If you were insistent on charging all 12 packs simultaneously, you could hook them to the ParaBoards and charger the same as above but set the charger to charge each side at something closer to 15 amps. Doing so would mean each side of the charger will be pulling a little under 400 watts (15 amps x 25 volts) for a total power draw of around 800 watts. You could expect your batteries to take a little over 2 hours to charge (15 amps ÷ 6 packs = 2.2 amps per pack. At 2.2 amps, a 5ah battery will take a little over 2 hours to charge).

https://www.buddyrc.com/safe-40a-pa...-with-xt30.html

Clear as mud?

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12-11-2019 09:07 AM  48 days ago
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Thanks wjvail for that now a company call radiocontrics has a comb kit I won't to buy comes with the 4010 and power supply that is 24v-DC 1500w with plugged in wall could what ? Charger 8 battries in what hour,hour and half,or 2 hour ? With 2 parallel board's on each port.
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12-11-2019 02:06 PM  48 days ago
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slayer Thanks wjvail for that now a company call radiocontrics has a comb kit I won't to buy comes with the 4010 and power supply that is 24v-DC 1500w with plugged in wall could what ? Charger 8 battries in what hour,hour and half,or 2 hour ? With 2 parallel board's on each port.
Underlying all of this discussion is the principle that Volt x Amps = Watts. We will be manipulating that simple equation to answer your question.

To your question above, a 1,500w power supply that is regulated to 24 volts would have to put out 62.5 amps (1,500 watts ÷ 24 volts = 62.5 amps). The max input for the 4010 is 65 amps so we are good so far. We haven't exceeded the specifications for the charger. A constant 62 amps though the charger's connectors and power cable will almost certainly cause them to get hot(!) but that is difficult to quantify.

Assuming you wish to use 100% of available power, and assuming zero loss in the charging process (unreasonable but we'll go with it), you would have 750 watts available to each side of the charger for the attached ParaBoards. Because you are charging 25 volt batteries, your max current per side would be very close to 30 amps (750 watts ÷ 25.2 volts = 30 amps). Since these 30 amps per side would be equally distributed to the 6 packs per side, you could expect 5 amps to be supplied to each pack (30 amps ÷ 6 packs = 5 amps/pack). Because you are charging 5ah batteries at 5 amps, your charge would take something close to 1 hour.

Notice this is a best-case, hypothetical, mathematical solution that uses 100% of your equipment's capability. Realistically you might expect the charge to take something closer to 2 hours. Up until now I've done some "rounding" for simplicity. The 2 hours to charge is not even rounding - it more of a wag.

I got into this conversation with the note you might be expecting too much of our equipment. In the above example I assumed you would pull all 1,500 watts of power available. I would not recommend that. In the case of power supplies I personally try and run them at no more the 80% of their rated capacity.
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12-11-2019 02:51 PM  48 days ago
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At the risk of hijacking this thread, I love adds that claim their product is rated at 2,200 watt or some other BS. Hairdryers are the worst. As an example, the below hair dryer claims "...new upgraded 2200w DC motor providing powerful airflow and fast drying." First of all that must be one mother of a motor. Given that one horse power is about 750 watts, this hairdryer has a 3hp motor (2,200/750). Wow! I have the mother of all hand-held leaf blowers, a Stihl BG86 C-E, and it only puts out 1hp. Why don't I just use my wire's hairdryer to do my fall leaf management? Second, as we calculated earlier, 2,200 watts is the hairy edge of what a 120 breaker puts out. If the hairdryer is pulling 2,200 watts, there better not be anything running through that CB or you're going to be running to the garage a lot.

https://www.amazon.com/Professional...6074001&sr=8-12

Shop Vacs are another example. Sears advertises a "Craftsman XSP 20 gal. 6.5 HP Wet/Dry Vac Set". Really?!?! 6.5 HP? Again, WOW! Repeating myself, one horsepower is 750 watts so 6.5hp is almost 5,000 watts (750watts/hp x 6.5hp = 4,800 watts)! That is easily twice the power an 120v outlet will supply. How does Sear's vacuum produce twice the power of the electrical outlet? It's the equivalent of saying my car's engine produces 200hp but I get 400hp at the rear wheels. That is some drive shaft!

https://www.sears.com/craftsman-xsp...:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!8592!3!317813081676!!!g!761465361272!&sid=IDx01192011x000001x1651384780&utm_campaign=9013964&utm_group=62799120429-317813081676&utm_term=pla-761465361272&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvsfJ2-et5gIVw__jBx2ZiQwoEAQYAiABEgI31_D_BwE
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