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11-24-2019 09:08 PM  15 days ago
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SkySurfer

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Selling on EBay
I have a $2500 watch I would like to sell on eBay. My question is couldn’t someone receive the package and claim it never made it there? Or couldn’t they dispute the charge, keeping the watch and getting a refund? So the seller would be high and dry.
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11-24-2019 09:13 PM  15 days ago
JuanRodriguez

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I wouldn’t do it !! Try to sell it locally instead....Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....
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11-25-2019 01:24 AM  15 days ago
BeltFedBrowning

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I always take a video of boxing up the item with a newspaper in frame to prove the date. Send it signature receipt and insure it with the carrier. I sold my $10,000 Barrett rifle on GB auction site with no troubles. I have been pretty lucky so far.
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11-26-2019 10:25 AM  13 days ago
sjgusmc21

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I wouldn't do it. For high dollar items these days, you get raped with Ebay and PayPal fees. The winning bidder is the least of your worries....
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11-26-2019 05:45 PM  13 days ago
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I posted it local on Craigslist. A guy sent me a email asking if I would take a certified check for it. I quickly googled it and it said that was one of the biggest scams going on Craigslist. So I posted only local pickup and cash is only accepted. I’ll exchange the watch at the local police station.
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11-28-2019 04:35 PM  11 days ago
sjgusmc21

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Very smart move. Yeap, cash is king. NO CHECKS! Happy Thanksgiving!
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11-28-2019 05:27 PM  11 days ago
helitom

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You can mail an item insured and return receipt required. The return receipt will show the buyer has actually received the item.

Buying/selling on Ebay is in some ways more secure than buying/selling on RR. However, using Ebay is expensive. Between Ebay and Paypal fees you are looking at about 15% of your selling price taken off the top. Ebay also charges you just to list the item no matter if it sells or not. If you choose to put a starting bid on the item, they put a charge for that based on the amount you put as a starting point.

Ebay is now charging sales tax (to the buyer). It is also typical that the seller charges the buyer the costs of shipping. When someone would be interested in your watch they would take into account the additional sales tax and shipping fees as part of their total cost and reduce their max bid accordingly.

With all of that in mind, I have done a fair amount of buying/selling on Ebay (mostly modeling stuff). I have never had a problem with a buyer. I have had a few problems with a seller when what they sent me did not equal the description/photos. Ebay or the seller made those problems right in short order. Ebay can fix a problem because when you sign up with Ebay you give them a credit card number. If they find you at fault in a buying or selling incident and you don't make it right with the buyer/seller they ding your card and fix it for you.

Just to make sure that no one mistakes my comment above about RR classifieds; I have never had a problem with any transaction I have ever made here on RR. Just saying that if there was a problem, your only avenue of recourse would be Paypal.
The older I get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.
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11-30-2019 01:10 AM  10 days ago
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How do you collect from the buyer on RR. I sold a engine once and the guy mailed me a check and I didn’t ship until it cleared. I suppose those days are over?
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11-30-2019 01:41 AM  10 days ago
helitom

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I only use Paypal for either buying or selling.

If you are the seller, once you see your PP account increase by the agreed to amount, you've got money and can send the item off.

If you are the buyer and the item never shows up, or shows up as junk, not as advertised, etc you will eventually get your money back.
The older I get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.
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12-01-2019 07:02 PM  8 days ago
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Ebay can fix a problem because when you sign up with Ebay you give them a credit card number. If they find you at fault in a buying or selling incident and you don't make it right with the buyer/seller they ding your card and fix it for you.
But couldn’t the buyer get the goods then quickly cancel the card/dispute the charges before ebay knows what’s going on. That way ebay couldn’t ding you and the seller would be left high and dry?
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12-02-2019 02:17 AM  8 days ago
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First of all, I am not a lawyer nor a law enforcement person. I was only trying to relay my experiences when dealing on Ebay (and RR). I ASSUME that if someone possessed a criminal mind similar to Bernie Madoff and wanted to swindle someone out of a couple of hundred dollars worth of model airplane stuff, it probably could be done. However, I am GUESSING that it could not be done via your suggested scenario. In addition, I am SUGGESTING that such fraud is not a common occurrence in model airplane equipment.

In your scenario, the seller would have had the money in hand before shipping. The required money would be shown to be in their Paypal account. The item would have been delivered as your USPS return receipt would show. I ASSUME the buyer's credit card used for the purchase and to be cancelled would have no other pending charges (otherwise it couldn't be cancelled until all were resolved). I would then have to further ASSUME the credit card in the buyer's name was being used for only for this fraudulent purpose. Otherwise the criminal would be using the card with which they buy gas, groceries, etc for fraud; which I further ASSUME to be not likely unless the criminal is monumentally stupid. Taking all that into account and adding that the credit card issuer, Ebay, and Paypal have likely dealt with all varieties of fraud many times over so they know of many markers of fraud. I ASSUME that immediately cancelling the credit card and disputing the Paypal charge would fall within one of those fraud markers.

So, in your scenario it could be proved that the buyer got the item. If the item was not to the buyer's liking for whatever reason, there is a process via Ebay to resolve the issue. Knowing that, the credit card issuer and Paypal all know of the dispute and resolution process via Ebay and they will not throw money back at the buyer.
The older I get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.
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