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10-15-2019 02:30 PM  37 days ago
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wjvail

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We Are Finally Out of Syria.
After nearly 2 decades of war in Syria, we have finally left. If feel a great weight has been lifted. All I read in the papers is that Trump has abandoned the Kurds. Frankly, I wish we would have left 15 years ago.

Absent our presence, Turkey seems to have taken the opportunity to settle a few old grudges. Is that my problem? We were using the Kurds in Iran to fight jihadists. I have no illusions that the Kurds are easy people to live with. Almost certainly they are not. Iran was gassing them and I have no doubt that they have been a problem for Turkey as we supplied them with weapons.

Rather than announcing we were leaving Syria, I think we should have announced that for the next 18 years Canada will be running with the football. We had our turn in the ISIS fight and we are turning the operation over to the Germans. You're welcome.

Am I missing something? Shouldn't we be dancing in the streets?
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10-15-2019 03:34 PM  36 days ago
Mark Ryder

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There is more going on with this than meets the eye. I thought I heard there where still US troops in the south of Syria. This current action will wake everybody up no thank to Potus.
https://www.google.com/search?q=cur...roop+deployment
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10-15-2019 04:51 PM  36 days ago
Heli143

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No one is more tired of the ongoing war than the people who have to fight it.
While I support final withdrawal from the gulf it is a much more complicated issue once we’re in than to just pack up and leave.
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10-15-2019 06:07 PM  36 days ago
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Heli143 ...it is a much more complicated issue once we’re in than to just pack up and leave.
Does it have to be? In Gulf War 1, we removed the Iranians from Kuwait and left. The war started in August 1990 and we were out February 1991. 6 months and done. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

Beyond the immediate news of the events in Syria, I'm so tired of being the world's peace keepers. I'm soo tired of being the entire globe's police force. My son-in-law and daughter are living in Japan while he's attached to the USS Ronald Reagan. The US has 3 carriers in the Sea of Japan trying to police the North Koreans and Japan itself doesn't seem to care in the least. North Korea is literally launching ICBMs directly over Japan and it's my ships, tax dollars and children policing this. For 18 years we've been sending tanks, aircraft, Humvees, service members, etc to Syria as if it's all free.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...itary_equipment
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10-15-2019 06:32 PM  36 days ago
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It was a hard call, it was a very unpopular call. I am not privy to the details, as really none of us are. I am mixed about it, but we have to get out at some point. It is never easy and often painful, in many ways. There are numerous video's of the Russia's occupying or 'leftover' bases....it rips my heart in half. Whatever we couldn't take, we should have burned it all down. I also know it was not easy for our brave service members to withdrawal either. It sucks all the way around...but it was the POTUS's call.

WJVAIL, I remember being on the USS Long Beach (MARDET). WE pulled into Yokosuka Japan, and had to be docked at the very end of the pier. The Japanese did not want our ship there (Nuke) and protested like freak'n crazy. I was in a bar across from the street from the front base when the protesting started. The Japanese bartender told us to follow him, and put us in a room by ourselves for a while until the protesters left (beer included. Very nice man. I was a very young Marine then, and it really shocked me. Hat's off to your daughter and son-in-law. It is never easy.
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10-16-2019 02:17 AM  36 days ago
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Every situation like this Trump is damned if does..damned if he don't. .saving American lives seems the better route...the route Hitlery didn't take with Bengazi..If he hadn't withdrawn our troops and any were killed..the left would be all over it.I do a great decending funnel!
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10-16-2019 04:13 AM  36 days ago
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Turkey has 50 of our nukes.
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10-16-2019 04:32 AM  36 days ago
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Not to be controversial but we were not out of Kuwait and Iraq by Feb 1990.
In fact we’re still there in smaller numbers with enough equipment for a strong return should it need be.
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10-16-2019 04:50 AM  36 days ago
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The real solution to all of the above is to get all of the Congress”folk” out of Washington DC.The older I get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.
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10-16-2019 12:57 PM  36 days ago
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Heli143 Not to be controversial but we were not out of Kuwait and Iraq by Feb 1990.
In fact we’re still there in smaller numbers with enough equipment for a strong return should it need be.
I am always amenable to being corrected. I don't like being wrong but when I am, I'd rather be told as opposed to living in ignorance.

I had assumed we had a "small" presence in both countries. A quick search suggests there are over 300 US embassies, consulates and diplomatic missions around the world.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/09/poli...ence/index.html
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10-16-2019 01:14 PM  36 days ago
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spaceman spiff Turkey has 50 of our nukes.
Hmmm.... Kinda. FoxNews typed up the wonderfully sensational headline "Turkey holding 50 US nuclear bombs "hostage" at air base..."

I think it might more accurate to say that the US might have 50 nukes at the US Air Base in Incerlik Turkey. What I think is being discussed is that with Turkey firing on positions formally held by US troops, the US is being forced to consider removing them. I'd be surprised to find out that there were teams of hairy Turkish men sitting next to our B61 nukes eating Kababs and sucking on a hookah. My limited experience with US nuclear weapons suggests that that is not how things are done.
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10-16-2019 02:32 PM  36 days ago
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wjvail . I'd be surprised to find out that there were teams of hairy Turkish men sitting next to our B61 nukes eating Kababs and sucking on a hookah. My limited experience with US nuclear weapons suggests that that is not how things are done.
And you sir are correct, considering I have, this is NOT how it is done. Far from it.
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10-16-2019 02:52 PM  36 days ago
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Sorry, but "not how it is done" is not inspiring confidence. I can't bring myself to watch the idiots debate on TV anymore. I recall reading about those nukes 10 or more years ago. It was not a good idea then, and obviously not a good idea now. Huge blunder then, and huge blunder now.
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10-16-2019 03:06 PM  36 days ago
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a never ending war... its not about terrorism, its business, specifically the military industrial complex, the billions wasted by the DoD/Pentagon and funded by the tax payers blood, Sweat and tears...

these "people" in the middle east will NEVER be at peace, their political and religious dogma does not allow for it.

The blood of the innocent should never be spilled for the egos of others.
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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10-16-2019 04:10 PM  35 days ago
wjvail

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spaceman spiff Sorry, but "not how it is done" is not inspiring confidence. I recall reading about those nukes 10 or more years ago. It was not a good idea then, and obviously not a good idea now. Huge blunder then, and huge blunder now.
"Not how it is done..." What would put your mind at ease?

But going on. The U.S. does not discuss the location of nuclear weapons. It is an assumption that Turkey ever had our nukes and an even greater assumption that they are still there. There is far too much speculation to panic.

Here is a quote from Fox:
Officials are reviewing plans to evacuate up to 50 U.S. nuclear bombs that have long been stored at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey in the wake of Ankara's military offensive in northern Syria, according to a report.

The weapons are now essentially being held "hostage" by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a senior official told The New York Times on Monday.

The Cold War-era B61 nuclear bombs are said to be located 100-250 miles from the Syrian border, according to The Guardian. A former U.S. official told the outlet that Turkish diplomats responded to suggestions about moving the bombs by saying Turkey would start to develop its own.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/turke...s-hostage-syria

Let's take this "news" article apart:

"... reviewing plans to evacuate up to 50 bombs that have long been stored at Incirlik..." When did nukes in Turkey change from speculation to fact?

"...according to a report." What report?

"...essentially being held "hostage" by Turkish President... a senior official told The New York Times..." What senior official? And why are they talking to the New York Times?

"The Cold War-era B61 nuclear bombs are said to be located 100-250 miles from the Syrian border, according to The Guardian." Said to be by The Guardian? Really? Shame on Fox for reporting like this.

"A former U.S. official told the outlet that Turkish diplomats responded to suggestions about moving the bombs by saying Turkey would start to develop its own." What former US official? What Turkish diplomats? Is Turkey developing its own nukes something I need to worry about?

Anyway. I will choose to ignore this "reporting".
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10-16-2019 05:22 PM  35 days ago
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Here is (maybe?) a better source:
https://www.stripes.com/news/us-rev...t-says-1.603116

Thanks.
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10-17-2019 02:31 AM  35 days ago
wjvail

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sjgusmc21 ...There are numerous video's of the Russia's occupying our 'leftover' bases....it rips my heart in half.
Maybe they heard you. Of course you'll have to consider the source - as always.
https://www.rt.com/news/471091-us-b...a-base-retreat/
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10-17-2019 03:36 AM  35 days ago
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I really hope so. It is a travesty (I was taught NEVER to do so) to leave it behind for the enemy.
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10-17-2019 07:34 PM  34 days ago
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it wouldn't be the first time... Roy Mayoral
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