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10-15-2019 01:19 AM  37 days ago
rcadd1ct

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So much for me getting back into sailplanes to relax.-RCA .......... Making Cuisinarts Fly!!!!!!!
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10-15-2019 03:12 AM  37 days ago
helitom

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We have a guy at our field that has a boat load of 7 - 10 meter gliders. Along with the tow plane guy, they are out of business of routinely towing to 1500 to 2K feet (per vario). Our field is out in the middle of nowhere. He has got a lot more invested than any guy I can think of, including me with 52 helicopters.The older I get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.
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10-15-2019 09:23 AM  37 days ago
3DNinja

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Really, no one will complain unless there a total dickhead.The FAA wont react unless prompted. Just don't crash into someone or some property. and use the DBAD rule when folks confront you. Heli pilots dont apply to this rule. Can you see it at over 400 ft? Although that is not the standard if you look at the FAR.
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10-15-2019 02:08 PM  36 days ago
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3DNinja Really, no one will complain unless there a total dickhead.The FAA wont react unless prompted.
I wish that were true but all it will take is a land owner that doesn't like models flying in the field next to his to complain to the FAA that the models are flying above 400'. The first time someone in a Cessna 152 flying at 500 feet sees a model anywhere, he'll complain to the FAA.

I understand the FAA is not likely to get up Monday morning and go looking for models at 500'. My guess is that the complaints will come to them. At that point they will simply drive to the local glider club and start writing ticket.
"Well, nothing bad can happen now."
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10-15-2019 09:19 PM  36 days ago
JLF92677

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AMA TODAY

Tuesday October 15, 2019

FAA to Impose Restrictions on the Hobby

AMA needs your assistance in an urgent matter. The FAA unexpectedly informed us that, contrary to earlier commitments to AMA, the agency plans to limit all recreational model aircraft operations to 400 feet in controlled airspace and there will be no exceptions. We urge you to send a letter to your elected representatives in Congress and ask them to contact the FAA concerning this critical issue. Please visit http://www.modelaircraft.org/higher-flight to contact your representative. You can learn more in this video

Watch at YouTube

and check out our podcast

https://www.modelaircraft.org/podcast for more information.

LEARN MORE: http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/am...fightforflight/
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10-16-2019 07:08 PM  35 days ago
3DNinja

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From the sound of it, the FAA is imposing us to stay within class G airspace. Which is 400 ft withen 5 miles from an airport 700 ft east and central US and 1200 ft out west. Above that then class E airspace begins. I'm no expert on airspace it's all a little confusing to me but from flying a paramotor that's what I remember. If someone understands it better, or if I'm just wrong please chime in.
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10-18-2019 05:31 PM  33 days ago
Heli_Splatter

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107 Commercial License.
This is the reason that I got my Part 107 license. If you would take the time to get licensed, you would understand the airspace issues.
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10-18-2019 10:41 PM  33 days ago
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nothing to understand, it is a government airspace grab, just like the one executed by EPA over wetlands and waters of the US, when they totally misconstrued the CLEAN WATERS ACT and the navigable waters of the US concept. They are giving us some payback for the individual in NJ that took them on in court and bested all their in house FAA lawyer weenies. These are not our friends and are not here to help. Power hungry authoritarians.RapRexSynLogo Pilot
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10-19-2019 12:36 AM  33 days ago
wjvail

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dialarotor nothing to understand, it is a government airspace grab, just like the one executed by EPA over wetlands and waters of the US, when they totally misconstrued the CLEAN WATERS ACT and the navigable waters of the US concept.
I hear the frustration. I understand the feeling of loss. But this isn't an "airspace grab". It always was the FAA's airspace. The FAA has always owned the airspace over the United States. Historically, the FAA has chosen to not strictly regulate certain portions of the airspace, but that never meant it wasn't under their control. Developments in the last 10 to 15 years has forced the FAA to reconsider how ALL airspace is used.
dialarotor They are giving us some payback for the individual in NJ that took them on in court and bested all their in house FAA lawyer weenies.
I doubt they hardly noticed this court case. It was somewhere on some to-do list to fix it on the next FAA authorization bill. Nobody at the FAA went home after the judge's ruling cussing and kicked his dog.
dialarotor These are not our friends and are not here to help. Power hungry authoritarians.
Possibly they are not our friends - but that isn't in their mission statement. Never was. From Wikipedia:
"The Air Commerce Act of May 20, 1926, is the cornerstone of the federal government's regulation of civil aviation. This landmark legislation was passed at the urging of the aviation industry, whose leaders believed the airplane could not reach its full commercial potential without federal action to improve and maintain safety standards."
Read that carefully. From its inception this has been to "reach the full commercial potential.." As much as it pains me, nowhere does it say the FAA was established to promote and (not) regulate models.
"Well, nothing bad can happen now."
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10-19-2019 04:42 PM  32 days ago
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Another legal avenue....
"Full commercial potential" automatically includes model aviation...
Horizon Hobby is not a small venture...
When we get leadership in the AMA not afraid of their own shadow, when we lawyer up, when doxxing starts...then the FAA may come to the table.
The air, like water or land, is a shared reasource..the idea that a company can restrict others from using a shared resource for personal gain is illegal. The effect these regulations are having on senior citizens is illegal....legal principal of estoppel makes these regulations illegal...Not my opinion; my lawyers'...
The fact that unelected officials can ruin lives through regulation is just plain wrong.
I usually fly micro 3d..This whole issue dos not greatly affect me..But I will never stop fighting...Because it is WRONG!

John.
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10-20-2019 02:14 PM  31 days ago
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drdot Another legal avenue....
"Full commercial potential" automatically includes model aviation...
Horizon Hobby is not a small venture...
Hmmm... I suppose it's a matter of how you look at it. I would suggest that in the discussion of airspace usage, Horizon Hobby is not only a "small venture", it is microscopic. Horizon Hobby has about 950 employees - globally. Amazon has 650,000. Boeing has 150,000. FedEx has about 425,000. DHL, 550,000. United Airlines has about 88,000 on the payroll. Should I go on? Compared to the total number of people looking to use the airspace, Horizon Hobby is non-existent.

Who do you think is going to have the loudest voice when deciding how to use the airspace? Who should have the most say? If you were personally responsible for making the decisions about how the airspace over America was going to be used, what would you do?
drdot I usually fly micro 3d..This whole issue dos not greatly affect me..But I will never stop fighting...Because it is WRONG!
I fly everything. I fly micro's. I fly 90 class glow models. I fly large fixed wing models. I have an FAA Airline Transport (ATP) license. I fly a Boeing 767. I've flown models for 50+ years. I flew for the US Navy for 12 years. Every part of this discussion affects me.
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10-20-2019 10:43 PM  31 days ago
CrackSmacklePop

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Welcome to the USA, where freedoms are allowed only if big business allows it.
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10-21-2019 12:55 AM  31 days ago
drdot

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And...

Cracksmackle wins the internet...We flew with spotless safety for over 70 years...(estopple)
There waa no change in what we were doing.
No one will tell me the two defining differences between drones and models, because it destroys the narrative.
There is a clear path from Bezo$ to Comml Drone Alliance to graft ready congressmen.
I would accept this if there was danger involved..but all I see is stupidity...Drone delivery won't work, our models would not affect them anyway if they have an inkling as to how to program gps flight controllers...
I have spent a lot of time in the national airspace...there is room for everybody.

John.
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10-21-2019 03:32 PM  30 days ago
Ivan

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wjvail Read that carefully. From its inception this has been to "reach the full commercial potential.." As much as it pains me, nowhere does it say the FAA was established to promote and (not) regulate models.
It is my understanding from those in my family who have flown full scale since before I was born, and have some notable records too boot, that at one time the FAA's motto it whatnot was something like "To promote and foster the spirit of aviation".

That was changed somewhere along the way to something more like "To regulate and control..."

My dad and uncles all threw a fit about it and were disgusted with the FAA. Strangely enough, that's about the same time the price of a J3 Cub started the abrupt climb from $1200 to $150,000. Just wait until your foamie EDF goes from $200 to $7500 because of "product liability". The FAA fines the manufacturer for producing unsafe models and issues an AD note forcing owners to a qualified FBO to inspect the ESC for proper solder joints, who in turn, charges us $1500 for the inspection.

The FAA is not good to the general aviation enthusiast. They haven't been for 50 or so years.

The secret is, that most of the guys in the FAA are old pilots who still love airplanes and most likely fly models. If (big if) they show up at your field, engage them politely and talk to them. Be nice, and you'll probably get a "Just try to be better in the future" statement and a handshake.

Stay off the corporate side of the FAA fence line. The organization is like a woman you married in Vegas while drunk. There's no logic with her, all she wants is everything you have and more, and will do anything to make your life miserable. I have seen this side of the FAA more than once as my dad was a spray pilot and still is an A&P with an IA flying in Alaska. The FAA did more than their fair share of making it hard to get a decent meal when I was a kid.

So, in short, be nice to the PEOPLE of the FAA, they are good guys. But don't tangle with the organization, because it is a cruel mistress.
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11-09-2019 06:38 PM  11 days ago
John Krebs

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I contacted my Senator as recommend by the AMA regarding changes the FAA was making. This was replay from one of the Senators. I think he might need some education.

Thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding the Federal Aviation Administration's (FAA) implementation of regulations regarding recreational drones. I appreciate hearing from you about this issue.

Regulations governing small commercial unmanned aircraft do not apply to drones and other remote-controlled aircraft operated strictly for hobby or recreation. These aircraft have operated under a more lenient special rule for model aircraft set forth set in the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012. In the wake of incidents involving collisions and close calls with manned aircraft, the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2018 creates various mandates in regards to hobbyists. These new rules include FAA requirements for testing operators' knowledge of airspace and safety regulations, as well as imposing a general altitude restriction of 400 feet. Operators of model aircraft as well as commercial drones must register with FAA, and will be able to do so through an online registration system.

Should any legislation concerning this issue come before the full Senate for consideration, I will have your views in mind.

Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. For more information on this or other issues, I encourage you to visit my website, http://casey.senate.gov . I hope you will find this online office a comprehensive resource to stay up-to-date on my work in Washington, request assistance from my office or share with me your thoughts on the issues that matter most to you and to Pennsylvania.

Sincerely,
Bob Casey
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11-10-2019 01:59 AM  11 days ago
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Think he might have missed at least 6 months of BS...
Mine never even bothered to respond..
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