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10-07-2019 10:38 PM  3 months ago
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Wingmanrc39

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FAA RESTRICTIONS are going to ruin the hobby
I guess most everyone got the email today about the 400 foot limit they intend on setting for the hobby. Really???? Do they think that a rc plane or a rc helicopter as a possible threat? Pretty sure its drones that brought this on. It's a sad time to be an American. Government can't get along and keep taking things away from the public saying it's for the good of the American people. =-(

Dear member –

We need your assistance in an urgent matter. Late last week, the FAA unexpectedly informed us that, contrary to earlier commitments to AMA, the agency is planning to limit all recreational model aircraft operations to 400 feet in controlled airspace – with no exceptions. Additionally, the FAA is proposing restrictions in uncontrolled airspace to altitudes that could present safety issues as well as limit some model aircraft operations altogether. We were stunned by this proposal and are pushing back, but we need your help.
Keep your back 2 the Sun and GET-R-DONE!
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10-07-2019 10:46 PM  3 months ago
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Fight for Higher Flight!
https://www.modelaircraft.org/higher-flight <<< I submitted! >>>

AMA GOVERNMENT RELATIONS BLOG
http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/am...019/10/07/4029/
Dear member –

We need your assistance in an urgent matter. Late last week, the FAA unexpectedly informed us that, contrary to earlier commitments to AMA, the agency is planning to limit all recreational model aircraft operations to 400 feet in controlled airspace – with no exceptions. Additionally, the FAA is proposing restrictions in uncontrolled airspace to altitudes that could present safety issues as well as limit some model aircraft operations altogether. We were stunned by this proposal and are pushing back, but we need your help.

We urge you to send a letter to your elected representatives in Congress and ask them to contact the FAA on this critical issue. Please visit http://www.modelaircraft.org/higher-flight to contact your representative.

Congress specifically granted the FAA the flexibility to allow operations over 400 feet if safety would not be affected. The FAA has not provided AMA with any data that proves that our operations are a safety risk. As you know, our model aircraft operations do not pose any safety or security risk to local airports or aircraft. The FAA needs to honor the Congressional directive to work with AMA on these issues.

Because of the negative impact on so many AMA members and clubs, we are going to fight this proposal with every resource at our disposal. You, our members, are our best resource.

To have the maximum impact on this proposed policy as possible, please share this message with your friends, family and fellow club members who love our hobby. To learn more about this policy, please click here. Also monitor your emails for new information as we work to fight this restrictive policy. As always, we are committed to doing everything possible to protect the model aviation hobby. If you have questions, please contact us at (765)287-1256 or amagov@modelaircraft.org.

Sincerely,

The AMA Government Affairs Team
Mark Ryder
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10-07-2019 10:46 PM  3 months ago
rotorist

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What are you flying that you can see it at 400 foot?
Hell. I cant tell orientation past 300 foot.
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10-07-2019 10:52 PM  3 months ago
Mark Ryder

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Doing auto-rotations can easily go up past 400 feet.Mark Ryder
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10-07-2019 10:56 PM  3 months ago
Wingmanrc39

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Planes travel over 400ft often. That the size of a football field with the endzones. That's not that far at all. I guess it's ok if your flying small stuff.Keep your back 2 the Sun and GET-R-DONE!
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10-07-2019 10:57 PM  3 months ago
Wingmanrc39

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There was many flights that exceeded 400 ft at IRCHAKeep your back 2 the Sun and GET-R-DONE!
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10-07-2019 11:09 PM  3 months ago
spaceman spiff

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I dont have the e mail to confirm the details, but because of its location, the club i fly at us alowed a higher ceiling.
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10-07-2019 11:17 PM  3 months ago
Wingmanrc39

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spaceman spiff
If you read the letter that Mark posted you will see that it says No Exceptions.
Keep your back 2 the Sun and GET-R-DONE!
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10-08-2019 12:16 AM  3 months ago
mdm

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It seems that the FAA is free to do what ever it wants with a total disregard for the fact that model aircraft have been flown safely for decades. It is very frustrating to say the least!
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10-13-2019 01:22 AM  3 months ago
Chance

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What, you haven't had height restrictions up to now? In Australia we've had 400ft limit for many years and still manage to have lots of happy flyers. I've seen many people do autos from speck in the sky heights, it's not as though they monitor constantly. Ask Matt Botos or Nick Maxwell or any other visitors.
At my club we are within 3km of Melbourne's international airport and have a special 300ft limit which hasn't caused any problems. Once we had Federal police visit saying they detected someone flying over the limit but no-one was up at the time. Turned out it was an eagle!
Bottom line is 400ft is not an impossible restriction, maybe just occasionally inconvenient.
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11-19-2019 06:27 AM  61 days ago
noname

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FCC Restrictions will ruin the hobby? Have you been asleep for the past decade? This hobby is a dead man walking and it had nothing to do with the FAA. Just look at the immense number of stores and companies that no longer exist or were aggressively taken over.

This hobby died because we failed to keep it fun and to attract younger generations.

I'm slowly getting back into the hobby after a decade+ of taking a break. Here's what I found coming back:

The people working at the stores are the average Karen's working 9-5 jobs who only care to maintain their job and know nothing about the hobby.

All the cool things are gone now! No cool planes, no nice fuselages, no high-quality ARF planes, and instead tons of crap everywhere.

Some hobbies age cathedrals: they become sophisticated and intriguing, like astronomy, leatherworking, classic car restoration, etc... RC planes & helis aged like a pair of old shoes.
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12-13-2019 06:59 PM  37 days ago
fliers1

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https://www.modelaircraft.org/execut...019-ec-minutes I just looked at AMA's 2017 IRS 990 tax filing, the most recent I can get online. They spend about $10,000,000 a year. Unfortunately, in 2017, they had to sell $1,800,000 in securities to meet their budget. Essentially, what they're doing is draining their long term assets rather than cut costs. Their revenue has been in near constant decline for almost two decades. Yes, they've raised dues and made great spin about it, but the reality is that once the sugar high wears off, about 2 years, the revenue is LOWER than before the dues increase.

So the question is, where does AMA find almost $2,000,000 in spending cuts? That's 20% of their 2017 budget and very significant. Their biggest line item is salary and benefits at $3,598,000 (Note 1, 2017 990, part IX, sum of lines 5 through 8). Think about that for a moment, 35% of all AMA spending pays for the HQ - or $26 out of every $75 member dues goes from your pocket to the staffs' pockets. Their second biggest is Model Aviation and Park Pilot at $1,400,000 (Note 1, 2017 990, part IX, line 24b). Their third biggest expense is insurance at $1,187,000 (Note 1, 2017 990, part IX line 23). The third largest is the "all other expenses" to the tune of over $900,000 (Note 1, 2017 990, part IX line 24e). Finding $2 million is going to be difficult. Look for yourself (Note 1, 2017 IRS 990, part IX, Statement of Functional Expenses).

Note 1: https://projects.propublica.org/nonp...9300419/IRS990
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12-13-2019 07:12 PM  37 days ago
fliers1

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MAAC President Peter Schaffer

"MAAC membership and marketing
It is no secret to anyone that the MAAC
membership numbers have flatlined and,
in fact, are slowly declining. There is a
recognition by the Board of Directors that
the approach that we have been using to
increase membership, is no longer paying
the dividends that is required.
The definition of insanity is doing the
same thing over and over while expecting
a different outcome. It was time to switch
from what we were doing, to doing
something different. It was time to think
outside the box."

I explained how to drastically increase membership and offered to demonstrate. I suggested that he send a couple of reps to me during the flying season so I can demo and teach them my method. He really doesn't have a choice. If nothing good happens then the hobby AMA and MAAC are kaput..full stop. He replied one time saying that the public isn't interested so why try. More or less. Think outside of the box. Yeah right.
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12-13-2019 07:48 PM  37 days ago
fliers1

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What you will hear from those who have a large club is, the hobby is alive and well because my club proves that point.
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12-14-2019 03:28 PM  36 days ago
elmobad

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It all comes down to money, it all ways does. 2008 started it, "drones"/FAA/AMA and most the us have finishing it. I know the drone fliers will cry but it's the truth. Its has been a PERFECT STORM of disappointing events that is and potentially will bring down our hobby.

First the 2008 money crunch happens. Which in the past recession, the hobby has survived sure things slow down but they have always rebounded. So what happened? The lowballing internet savings created to much of a burden on brick and mortar hobby shops most were forced out. That creates a problem of, new potential hobbyist cant walk in the a store and lust after what as we all know is a very expensive toy. As we all did, we saved and we begged our family members for support... But the desire was still there so they turned to what was available, cheaper easy to fly, easy to get start up, easy to get drones. Now the AMA embraces this new idea, with failing consciousness. Why join an organization when I can fly in my in my back yard or anywhere I want.... Now the FAA gets its involved as they have wanted to for years.
Now the FAA says we will keep you all safe just pay your $5 and all will be ok we will stop there, all to keep everyone safe. Like I said years ago once you say YES the government you can NEVER say NO.

So I am so very sad to see an amazing part of my childhood and into adulthood going away. The benefits to our education, enjoyment, the friendship I have had.
Nothing is done untill it's done but it will most likely take a miracle to bring back what once was.

I know there are still pockets where the hobby is still doing well. How long will that last. Time will tell.
GOT FBL?
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12-14-2019 08:00 PM  35 days ago
fliers1

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Like I said, I gave AMA and MAAC a means to significantly help the situation but I guess they think they are the smartest people in the room. Meanwhile they are or have run out of money and soon will lose more members and with the FAA involved, fail to bring in more members, therefore losing more money. But the head man in charge is making 6 figures and I'm sure with his background, he won't have any trouble finding another high paying position elsewhere. So where does that leave us? What me worry? lol
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12-16-2019 02:13 AM  34 days ago
fliers1

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Joel A Wilson is with Gary Warren and 10 others.
December 13 at 2:51 PM ·
Breaking news! Our FAA lobbyists had a great meeting this week and the final touches of one year of hard work has finally paid off for all of us !!!
COMING SOON !!!!
• PMA is Professional Modelers of America
NO DRONE ZONE !!!
• PMA is a model aviation organization, representing a membership who flies LINE OF SIGHT ONLY, from every walk of life, income level and age group.
• PMA is a self-supporting, non-profit organization whose purpose is to promote development of model aviation.
• PMA is an organization open to anyone interested in model aviation.
• PMA is the organizer of annual jet rally and Big Bird Airshows in combination with a full scale show held in Iowa, located on the old Aviation Expo grounds in August every year. Also will sanction any Fly-in For Chartered Clubs of the PMA in this Great Country with Full support and event $2,000,000.00 Primary Liability Insurance, plus FAA waivers when needed at full scale airports.
• PMA is the chartering organization and is actively working toward chartered fields all over this great country. PMA offers its chartered clubs official sanction, insurance, assistance in getting and keeping flying sites and flying
Site assistance. We will also be developing flying sites all over the United States for our members to use.
• Membership means you have a voice with PMA. We provide liaison with the Federal Aviation Administration. We plan on fixing the altitude and airspeed issue by working with the FAA and not against them.
PMA also works with local governments, zoning boards, and parks departments to promote the interests of local chartered clubs.
• For more information, contact PR Rep. Joel A Wilson/ Professional Modelers of America, 6010 Cliffland Rd Ottumwa, Iowa 52501. Contact number: 641-680-9375 email flyottumwa@gmail.com
PMA VISION FOR THE FUTURE
We, the PMA will take model aviation into the future and protect this hobby from detrimental regulations and politics.
PMA will always have the ear of the modeler and help preserve the hobby for all ages and race in future model aviation. This will be our mission, and accomplice by the following:
• A partnership with leaders of the manufactures and government.
$2,000,000.00 PRIMARY LIABLITY INSURANCE
Making your current Field certified by the FAA and Protected!
• A clear understanding of the issues at hand and deal with them; listening to the member with an open mind.
• A leadership team that is aware and current on the hobby, and can respect the hobby and promote it to the youth of this great country. A leadership team that goes to events, and supports the PMA”s vision for the future vision for and the development of this hobby
PMA Mission Statement
The Professional Modelers of America was formed by modelers for modelers to: Promote, develop, educate, advance, and provide safety among modeling activities.
The PMA provides leadership, organization, communication, protection, representation, recognition, education and development of the future for modelers.
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12-30-2019 05:55 PM  20 days ago
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FAA is Bull$hitting us

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