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12-29-2018 09:46 PM  10 months ago
JuanRodriguez

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My gut feeling is that you’re wrong about the fixed wing thing ....

But I’m probably wrong .....
Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....
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12-29-2018 11:02 PM  10 months ago
PaulBowen

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If we had any pride in our hobby and a lot less ego then flybarless units and never ending engine capacity increases wouldn’t ever have been allowed in competitive flying. These two factors to me completely go against the point of competition.

Building and flying a flybar helicopter is far more rewarding. The final flybar heads built by Hirobo are just incredible to fly with but take a bit of tuning to get right.

It pisses me off a lot that flybars were taken away because the “market” didn’t want them anymore. Most members of the “market” are gone from the hobby now and look at what we’re left with. I have owned many FBL units and they have their place, I’ve since sold them all and won’t be in a rush to buy another one.

The fad followers came into my hobby, trashed it, became bored and deserted. I don’t miss them. When I hear terms like smacking my bird I just shake my head.

Yes grumpy about some things but otherwise pretty happy flying my Ergo and Freya.
Quest NEO Caliber ZG, Zenoah G260PUH, CGY750, NHP 750, NHP 115.
JR Propo Ergo 30, OS 32SX-H, Edge 550, Edge 90.
Futaba T18SZ
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12-29-2018 11:12 PM  10 months ago
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I agree with the last few posts. The hobby is changing and we can't stop the change. Paul, I too am flybar all the way. I wouldn't fly anything else but. I just bought a Trex 600 CF flybar Heli and can't wait to see it and fly it. I have a Trex 500 flybar that I absolutely love flying. I like the feel of the flybar and the set up. I like the tinkering and tweaking to get it just right. If my Heli is flying sad then I'm not happy. When my Heli is happy then I'm happy. As far as I'm concerned I don't want a computerized propeller flying my Heli. Just a gyro and a flybar is all I need. This has been one of my favorite sites since back in 2006 when I first got started. I love the gallerys, and classifieds, and everything else about it. I will miss this site dearly. Thank You Mark for everything. Good bye all.
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12-29-2018 11:26 PM  10 months ago
BeltFedBrowning

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I have at least a dozen flybar helis that i could fly. I just keep grabbing the old Eco 8 that I built in 1994. Flybar head, flat bottom 473mm blades at 1400 rpm. Powered by a 10 cell Nimh battery pack. It flies 20 minutes on a charge, I never have to take the battery pack out of it to charge. I fly it till the headspeed is so low that it wont't even hover, no worries that I will harm the battery pack.
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12-30-2018 12:26 AM  10 months ago
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4S A123 would make a great update pack for 10S NiMH: http://www.A123Batteries.com

The TRex V2 flybar head is much better than the original. Yet another XCell clone. I am flying the 600 V2 head with Airskipper 50 paddles. Also antique DY F50 blades.
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12-30-2018 01:29 AM  10 months ago
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Every FBL heli that I’ve owned has gone in the dirt sooner or later due to a phantom glitch’s. Even the Skookum 720 glitched, until I downloaded the firmware. What BS
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12-30-2018 01:57 AM  10 months ago
BeltFedBrowning

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Four Stroker 4S A123 would make a great update pack for 10S NiMH
I just got a new batch of Nimh and it flies great! I see it like this: I really enjoy the setup with the Nimh batteries, including the weight. At what point of upgrading it updating will it no longer be the heli I enjoy?
I think that is part of the reason why I am still loving RC helis is that I never got bitten by the "upgrades make me look badass" bug.
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12-30-2018 02:52 AM  10 months ago
maxell44

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I only upgrade the weak spots up the chain. IE: metal/plastic/metal/ plastic/metal up the chain. As I read here you are engineering a weak spot to stop the kinetic energy going to critical areas in a crash. Less parts to break in a crash. EX: Plastic grips/metal center hub/metal flybar cage/plastic mixing arms/metal wash out hub/plastic wash out arms/metal swash. Somethings gotta give, and you save on either stripped gears or bent spindles or main shafts. Either or its just a little insurance to save on more parts breaking in a minor or major crash. Wood blades are a good idea too but who really uses them nowadays.
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12-30-2018 03:20 AM  10 months ago
BeltFedBrowning

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Yep, there comes a time when it finally "clicks" and you are able to think about your fun... and keep it fun
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12-30-2018 03:32 AM  10 months ago
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Guys it's not the hobby, it is the people that are changing. I just attended a family reunion and had an interesting conversation with a college professor at age 63. I asked him if the kids of today are different than the past generations, there was a definitive yes. He said that the kids in college today, their brains are wired differently being raised in the electronic media era. He said that the boys are different than the girls. The boys have an attention span of a gnat. They require an adrenaline rush to keep their attention. The problem is our hobby provided that, but then just like a junkie move on when what ever they are doing no longer provided the rush they need.

He is a PhD of supply chain and stated 10 years ago his class was 75% male and now it has flip-flopped. He also reiterated what I was talking about with communication skills which are non-existent in the college age kids. They cannot participate in job interviews, because of the short attention spans and lack of communications skills. This is what they are talking about when they have 100K student loans and cannot find a job. The jobs are there, but they do not have the skills to land them. As always there are exceptions to the rules though.

This country is going to be in a sad state of affairs when they inherit the work force load, after all of the baby boomers have retired out of the work force. Then add in the SJW compounding the problems.
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12-30-2018 07:27 AM  10 months ago
Heli Fanatix

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That’s correct Jerry. There are 3M+ Skilled jobs looking to be filled. It’s all about the diseases of attitudes.
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12-30-2018 07:45 AM  10 months ago
RM3

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Jerry K The jobs are there, but they do not have the skills to land them.
Yup, and when most jobs in the states now involve more people skills and less STEM ... those with the inability to effectively form interpersonal relationships will pay the price long term
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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12-30-2018 08:32 AM  10 months ago
MartyH

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PaulBowen, I don't like your post. I don't like it because i think you are right. The hobby adjusted to the market. The smack crowd came along, changed the hobby then the crowd left for something else. It looks like they went on to FPV drone racing. I'm 55 and while I have messed with FBL I like the feel of flybar better and I've never had a flybar "glitch".
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12-30-2018 03:02 PM  10 months ago
maxell44

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MartyH I'm 55 and while I have messed with FBL I like the feel of flybar better and I've never had a flybar "glitch".
I like it. A+ to that brother. I'm 53 and feel the same way.
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12-30-2018 03:51 PM  10 months ago
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you can give credit to christmas mall helicopters for helping people get interested in the hobby.
I believe this and the internet gave rise to the hobby.
People stayed interested because there was always some new.
I would not blame it on kids , but consider that not everyone is dedicated to a hobby.
spending time, paying attention
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12-30-2018 06:42 PM  10 months ago
TMoore

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Every generation says that the ones that follow won't make it. The last two generations though might just prove that statement to be right especially if what I saw at Wal-Mart yesterday is any indication.
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12-31-2018 01:36 AM  10 months ago
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I'm pretty sure that flybarless helped kill it. I can't see someone with no hobby experience figuring them out on their own.
I just bought my first FBL, a Vbar NEO and am have spent massive amounts of time trying to get it to work with the software on the screen and now I can't get it to bind to the transmitter. Were talking 8 hours of life burned up on this piece of crap that is supposedly "the best". I do not even want to think about the hell that awaits in actually trying to set up the helicopter. What a disaster!

The FBL is a time consuming, costly, complex solution to a problem that never existed.
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12-31-2018 01:39 AM  10 months ago
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and while I'm ranting... Can't anyone write a @%@$^#!^^ instruction manual anymore? As complex as the old Xcell machines were, at least there were instructions to follow. All you get now are videos with some guy who has a thick accent talking over some obnoxious music.
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12-31-2018 01:46 AM  10 months ago
ICUR1-2

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just buy an easy to use ikon2 or brain 2
spending time, paying attention
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12-31-2018 02:07 AM  10 months ago
Inspector Fuzz

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I'm not sure what the FBL thing is all about. I have flown others heli's with FBL and some feel OK, others feel too rigid.

It's just a massively complex, additional point of failure, that burns up huge amounts of time that could be spent flying.
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