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11-04-2018 01:55 AM  23 months ago
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PaulBowen

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OS105HZ-R tuning
Not sure how many people run these but I have two in aircraft.

Two questions

What are your needle settings?

Am I the only one who finds these engines to be rather rough running and high in vibration?

I run mine on 23% nitro and 0.5 mid, 1 - 1.25 on main. Low is somewhere around 12 o’clock. I’ve just never really been very happy with the 105. I used to have a 50SX-H Hyper that ran smooth as silk. I also have a 32SX-H that is magnificently smooth.
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11-04-2018 03:28 PM  23 months ago
wjvail

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Hey Paul...

I haven't found the 1.05 to be particularly rough running. In fact, I'm pretty happy with its overall handling. I have 4 of them in different helicopters. I don't see any fuel foaming. I also haven't noticed any excess buzzing in the fins.

Lately I've been flying my Align 700XN the most. I just ran out in the garage and found the needles at:
High.. Couple of clicks more than 1 1/2 (1.65?)
Mid.. Couple of clicks less than 1/2 (.45?)
Low.. About in the middle.

These are the settings from last weekend and the weather was pretty moderate for Mississippi - i.e. not 95 deg and not 80% humidity. It was 80ish and pretty dry.

I run all my 1.05s on 30% nitro. I've experimented with head shims and my motors seem most happy with all the head shims installed. That is, (2x .2mm) + (1x .1mm) or a total of .5mm.

The 700XN noted above has a Hatory pipe. An OS #8 seems to work well and they last forever. I think the 700XN is 8.23 gearing (if I remember correctly).
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11-04-2018 09:49 PM  23 months ago
datidun

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The 50 Hyper and OS 32 dont have a mid range needle,so you will have to play with the mid range, half a turn sounds very lean to me, how is the smoke sound and temperature?
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11-05-2018 11:31 AM  23 months ago
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What rpm are you running them at? Try adding a head shim or an Enya 5 plug.60% of the time, it works every time!
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11-05-2018 11:41 AM  23 months ago
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https://rc.runryder.com/t752010p1/

Another Ausie running 3/4 high, 1/4 mid, so you might still be too rich.
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11-06-2018 08:50 AM  22 months ago
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I have a couple of shims in and the temp is ok. The smoke is pretty thick.

I’m always a bit concerned with over leaning and cooking these engines as I find them very hard to read compared to others.
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11-06-2018 11:52 AM  22 months ago
datidun

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Actually one should only use an extra shim if using 30 percent,this will give you an idea, go on Youtube look under OS 105 tuning a guy called Dave fisher shows how to tune the 105,that should help you a bit, what are the temps like in the hover after a few minutes, what are the temps as in reading and sound like in full climb out?
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11-06-2018 01:52 PM  22 months ago
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PaulBowen I’m always a bit concerned with over leaning and cooking these engines as I find them very hard to read compared to others.
The extra shim will make things easier to 'read'. Yes it can lose you some power but if it makes tuning easier it can actually gain you some power and the engine will run smoother which means happier gyros!

Get used to hitting throttle hold to listen to the pipe, if it's 'hanging' (baaaar baaar baar rin tin tin tin tin!! ) it's too lean!

Remember if you fly in high heat or altitude you aren't going to get good power so don't try!
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11-06-2018 10:16 PM  22 months ago
PaulBowen

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My elevation is 2000ft AMSL.

I’ve yet to have another fly as the weather has been crazy and I’ve been at work.
Quest NEO Caliber ZG, Zenoah G260PUH, CGY760R, NHP 750, NHP 115.
JR Propo Ergo 30, OS 32SX-H, Edge 550, Edge 90.
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11-12-2018 12:11 AM  22 months ago
wjvail

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I might add that I've noticed a considerable variance in needles on my 1.05s. Today I took my TSA and tried to set the needles to where the needles are set in my 700XN. Despite these helicopters being set up similar, the TSA mid and high needles need to be set 1/4 richer."Well, nothing bad can happen now."
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11-15-2018 01:25 PM  22 months ago
Richardmid1

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Different airframes provide different cooling to the motor which affects the tune. Also gear ratios, weight, blades etc. etc.60% of the time, it works every time!
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11-17-2018 05:27 PM  22 months ago
don s

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The regulator did (has) a tendency to get stuck open also, creating a rich condition no matter what you do.E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.
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11-18-2018 01:06 PM  22 months ago
wjvail

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don s The regulator did (has) a tendency to get stuck open also, creating a rich condition no matter what you do.
I haven't seen that. With the regulator stuck open I suppose the engine fills with fuel?

Sometimes my DRS motors can be difficult to start if they have sat a while. My impression is that the regulator is sticking closed and not allowing fuel in. I treat it as if the fuel has evaporated and there is nothing but 50wt oil left in the regulator causing it to stick. A bit of cranking and moving the throttle open and closed (with the plug heat removed) usually gets the fuel flowing. After the first start of the day, the rest are no problem.

Earlier Richard mentioned variations and differences in models can effect needles. Certainly true. I'd add that it seems small variations in the DRS units can effect needles as well. Small differences in the DRS control needle/spring or diaphragm seem to have an effect on fuel draw from engine to engine. My experience has been that comparing needles between two otherwise identical engines was easier before DRS. This isn't a judgement of the DRS system. It's just an observation.
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11-19-2018 05:42 PM  22 months ago
don s

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If stuck open it would be rich no matter the needle settings. You kinda said it, but you're tuning the regulator on a DRS engine, not the engine itself.E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.
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11-21-2018 09:17 AM  22 months ago
PaulBowen

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The 105 is a work in progress for me which is unusual considering how long I’ve had them.

The only times I’ve had trouble starting them I’ve found the one way valve stuck closed. I just clean it with alcohol and off it goes.
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JR Propo Ergo 30, OS 32SX-H, Edge 550, Edge 90.
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