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11-30-2018 04:52 PM  7 months ago
Mark Ryder

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So we are about 4 weeks away from the deadline. Any updates on this Mark?
No relevant inquires and nothing to report.
Mark Ryder
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12-01-2018 11:13 PM  7 months ago
rc_helis_00

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If there is no sale of the hardware and software, and you are planning to close the site, I would be willing to host an archive of the content. It would be static and minimally styled.
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12-09-2018 01:16 AM  7 months ago
Eco8gator

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This site captures many important moments in the RC helicopter hobby.

Transition to 2.4

Advancement of Lipos

Nitro to Electric

Flybar to Flybarless

Fully integrated electronics (radio can nativly adjust parameters for Flybarless system)

The decreased popularity for helis ( challenging and expensive) and rise in popularity of multirotors.

Goverment Restrictions and Registration

Mark provided a forum that connected a diverse and multinational group of people with similar interest... I would have never learned how awesome a rum ball was or how fun redneck night flying was to watch....so many great memories.

The AMA museum need to buy this site.
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12-09-2018 01:23 AM  7 months ago
JuanRodriguez

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Eco8gator
The AMA museum need to buy this site.
And where do you get your weed ????
Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....
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12-10-2018 02:01 PM  7 months ago
RM3

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dude... hes from Palm Beach Florida... any side walk bro. showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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12-10-2018 10:07 PM  7 months ago
Chuck Bole

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And where do you get your weed ????
Ha! Known and talked to Carlo for a long time.
Don't think weed enters into it at all. Look back at his history on here.
I don't know how much Mark wants for the site or content or whatever, but that is a lot better use of our dues. Instead of wasting it on Lawyers trying to lobby Congress for our "rights to fly". IMO..
But what the hell do i know!

Chuck
Team Synergy Field Representative / Scorpion / Thunder Power
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12-12-2018 02:53 PM  7 months ago
doorman

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Gonna Miss This!!!
A bit over 16yrs ago,I joined this group, and since have checked in almost daily...have made a lot of friends and tried to help as many members as I could.. a lot of good people on here, and meeting Mark at IRCHA a few times was always a pleasure..
Mark gave us the best meeting room out there, and I will definitely be missing it, once shut down..
For those with negative posts about this, may your blades warp in the sun!!!

Thank you Mark..and best of luck with your next venture.

Stan
AMA 2918-Team Spin Blades,,Castle Creations, Unique Aircraft
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12-14-2018 06:01 AM  7 months ago
eeeeky

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Vernal UT USA

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Dammit. Dont close her down mark. This is a goldmine of info and a central watering hole for us. Can we donate to keep it alive? There are hundreds of thousands of us on this site.. What if we needed to pay a yearly subscription fee? We cant lose this brother..Lets Fly!
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12-14-2018 06:13 AM  7 months ago
grimthenoble

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for one thing, mark posted this in the wrong forum! better move it to ebay haha JK mark Enjoy life and take care.Never go Full Retard!
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12-16-2018 10:20 AM  7 months ago
MartyH

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There are hundreds of thousands of us on this site..
Hundreds of thousands? I'll bet it's not dozens. I am amazed at how much R/C Helicopters have contracted. There is just no activity here anymore.
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12-17-2018 12:38 AM  7 months ago
shaggy

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Well Damn... been into rc helis on and off for I don’t know how long. And just getting back into it. Sorry to hear this. I was wondering this weekend why there didn’t seem to be much activity recently. Wish Mark the best on his future endeavors!
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12-18-2018 07:03 AM  7 months ago
eeeeky

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Hundreds of thousands? I'll bet it's not dozens. I am amazed at how much R/C Helicopters have contracted. There is just no activity here anymore.
Look at the members tab.. There are always over 300 online, usually over 400 or 500. And totalled registered is a huge number. Not to mention 20-90 posts a day.. Hardly noone.
Lets Fly!
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12-18-2018 01:19 PM  7 months ago
MartyH

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Look at the members tab.. There are always over 300 online, usually over 400 or 500. And totalled registered is a huge number. Not to mention 20-90 posts a day.. Hardly noone.
Ok, I did as you asked. Less than 30 members online. The rest were listed as guests. Regardless, I'm a lot closer suggesting dozens of people are using the site than someone claiming hundreds of thousands. Regardless, I will really miss this place. This is 3rd time I think I can remember Mark saying it's over. This time it's probably for real.
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12-18-2018 02:43 PM  7 months ago
RM3

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RR depends on people clicking on ads and general traffic... 300 - 400 people online with less than 5% or so of them actually clicking on a banner ad doesn't generate enough revenue to bother with the whole mess when you own all the hardware and are constantly pushing time and money into the upkeep of a website. Add to the fact that the hobby in general is down across the board as shown with all the online and brick/mortar mom pop hobby shops closing down, and the traffic on other forums also down and no such hint of it ever coming back. video games, social media, and other tech gadgets coming on board has decreased spending and interest on the fad that was RC aircraft.

I honestly don't blame Mark for shutting the whole thing down... its HIS finances that are suffering, not ours.
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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12-18-2018 03:32 PM  7 months ago
darkfa8

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Firstly, I want to thank Mark for having created, maintained and worked hard to develop this site. Without it, I feel I would have had a much slower learning curve. I've met and befriended so many quality, intelligent people via this forum. Thank you for providing the conduit for these relationships.

Secondly, and sadly, I went through my Buddy list and the mainstay of them haven't posted in years. Some 2 years, 6 years, one 9 years. They're effectively non-participating users. Benny Chi was one of them, no posting activity in the last 4 years.

I believe the model aircraft hobby really needs to reinvent and remarket itself if it's going to survive. With mounting regulatory pressures, public stigma and the steep learning curve, it's current continuance will likely just be with the hardcore folks who are essentially the same type of people who have been interested in this kind of thing all along. It may very well go back to a limited, grassroots type of hobby. Time will tell.

As for me, I'm down to two 700's. One flying, one spare frame. I'm uncertain if I'm going to renew my memberships. I have had other more pressing things come up in life and am finding it increasingly more difficult to justify packing up my car to drive to the field to fly. I still love building and setting up, so I may just shift that yearning into a more regular, year-round and accessible arena.

If anyone one on here wants to reach me, PM me and I'll dole out my email or look me up on FB.
- Dan Goldstein
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12-18-2018 04:04 PM  7 months ago
RM3

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I believe the model aircraft hobby really needs to reinvent and remarket itself if it's going to survive.
though that may be the case with other things, RC aircraft has seemed to have reached their pinnacle in terms of performance. All that remains is power source and automated flight. DRONEs got he nod by consumers/businesses for automated flight and due to simplicity in repair. But they too are now in a decline as far as hobbyists go, commercially they dominate in terms of airborne video, photography and surveillance.

but you are right in stating that the learning curve steers many away. not many can tolerate even a minor crash in a 700 that results in a penalty of about $200 (blades, servo gears, maybe a bend shaft) then a week waiting on flight opportunity, part shipping, and repair. most fly 600s at the same cost risks but 400 class and smaller have all but fallen out of favor with serious enthusiasts (those that spend more than say $50+ per month supporting their addiction), my guess is tolerance to wind, visibility and presence in the sky.

seems like the same age group that we depend on to keep the hobby going would prefer to spend it on online video games like Fortnite where groups of them get together and laugh and play for hours in a made up world.
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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12-18-2018 06:44 PM  7 months ago
Jerry K

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Seems like the same age group that we depend on to keep the hobby going would prefer to spend it on online video games like Fortnite where groups of them get together and laugh and play for hours in a made up world."

This is a society problem! The newest generation has a very short attention span. If they get into any phase of RC they drop out within a few years. They do not become 'Modelers' In some cases we have done this to our selves with the advent of ARF aircraft. People do not have an emotional attachment to their models that we had after building it for 6-9 months. I had a 50% pitts & 25% P51 which both took and extended tome to construct. All segments of RC is dying. In the bigger picture, other activities are dying right along side of us. I recently read Country Club memberships are falling fast and the accompanying Golf along with it. NFL NASCAR all have falling numbers!

The "Snowflakes" would rather Surf Facebut sharing photos of themselves, than participate in a challenging hobby such as ours. All through their lives, they got participation ribbons for doing nothing. They took up Helis and discovered reality when their precious heli took a dirt nap, it struck them smack in the face there are disappointments in life their parents shielded them from all of their lives.

I have found most has problems communicating on the phone. Verbal communication has taken a back seat to texting.
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12-18-2018 07:26 PM  7 months ago
darkfa8

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This hobby is not cheap enough for kids to just jump into without parental support. It also requires a higher degree of respect for the safety of yourself, others and property. It also requires a level of maturity either inherent to the child and/or fostered along with adult support.

The parents are where the direction or lack thereof originates. Parents pay for the phones, the gaming consoles, TVs, internet connection, etc. Parents are the typically the ones who foster their kids' interests.

Many contemporary parents are also nose-deep into their phones and mostly oblivious. This is not to say that all parents are like this. There are exceptions. There are very curious, very talented and very capable kids out there with supportive, savvy parents at the helm.

They (the kids) also have a much different world view, just like many of us adults do from our parents. How many of you Baby Boomers got into playing bridge, or learning how to ballroom dance, played jacks, or collected stamps? No? Maybe you were busy collecting those darn rock-n-roll-melt-your-brain LPs, or tie-dying shirts in the back of a VW bus or were trying to figure out those darn slide-rules? Own up! Not everyone here was doing what their parents wanted, liked, even knew about or would have been deemed "good for them".

What do kids do if you try to force feed them? They stop listening, they tune you out. Maybe you forgot that you probably did this to your parents, or some teacher or even a boss.

Each generation has it's own "thing" and the Millenials, Gen-Y'ers and other yet to be marketing-classified younger folks have their "thing". It's not going to be like your childhood and it's a reflection of the technology and the current state of the world. Their moldable minds can be completely ruined by some of the technology platforms and cyber-bullying. Kids are killing themselves in a lot of cases. Aren't you glad you didn't have to deal with that? Or, have ever-lasting photos of your pants down in front of a bunch of people from when you were a crater-faced teen that haunts you for the rest of your adult life?

It gets more sinister than that and of course, why not mention how kids are getting shot at en masse on a monthly basis at their schools. In a way, many of us who aren't kids can't fully relate to the seemingly insane amount of technological and societal assault kids are under these days and the long-term effect it will have on them.

There are tons of companies who are spending tons of money trying to figure out how to market to younger people. Frankly, I don't think the AMA or any conglomerate of hobby business could really afford to compete on the marketing level as these other non-hobby companies/industries. But hey, they need to give it a go however they can - surely they want to do everything they can to keep their jobs.

If the modeling hobby is to survive it needs to figure out how to attract and capitalize on what "things" trigger prolonged interest and investment by these younger generations to maintain or grow the industry. That's it. To put it figuratively and literally, old marketing models don't last forever or work for all generations.

Source: Me, a late X-gen'er marketing and account manager guy who has worked full time and freelance in the hobby industry in both B2B and B2C capacities. Now working in the label printing business. Thankfully, lots of stuff still needs labels
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12-18-2018 08:01 PM  7 months ago
RM3

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If the modeling hobby is to survive it needs to figure out how to attract and capitalize on what "things" trigger prolonged interest and investment by these younger generations
they did.... and its not RC helicopters, so they moved onto other things like Ali with Helibug.

or they are simply just quit and are retiring.

honestly the issue is more to do with as you stated society. the core issue is that the kids nowadays need admiration and confirmation of every little success and empathy/sympathy for every perceived failure from others.... and they need this instantly. they dont care for "delayed gratification"

...you dont get any of that with RC aircraft.

I haven't seen anyone younger than say 25 ever at my field when I used to go. if they were there they were there cause their dad was flying and not interested in any of what was going on. Never saw a female of any age there flying. the last 3 fun flies I went to I didnt see a single flyer younger than 30 (other than 3 -4 kids there with their father flying)

so this hobby is not attracting any new generation sufficient to keep the hobby alive
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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12-18-2018 09:12 PM  7 months ago
Kyle Owen

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I agree that it’s society to the point of the millennial generation. Their parents, or lack there of. Instilled the instant gratification by coddling them. Anyways, you catch my drift. I haven’t seen young kids diving into the hobby either. I guess it comes with how they have been raised. It’s all man-buns and skinny jeans and burning desire to be a beta male. It’s sad.
I will greatly miss Run Ryder if it does cease to exist. This forum is amazing! It’s better than any generic forum could ever be. There’s so many neat features to it, that will never be rivaled. Like eco8gator said, this forum has covered so many transitions through the rc helicopter hobby. If this forum does fall to the wayside, it will leave a infinitesimal chasm. Really appreciate all you have done Mark. Thank you
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