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10-26-2018 07:20 PM  24 days agoPost 1
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So the news is this dude is a prominent Trump supporter... living out of his van which was covered with pro-trump stickers and anti-democrat/news media subject matter... whos social media accounts are plastered with pro-Trump pics... this is what is refereed to as an orgy of evidence often used by popular movies and crime series shows...

but is this sort of evidence ever happen in real life? this smells to me too much like the deadly Las Vegas mass shooting, where a supposed wacko barricaded himself with more weapons and ammo than he could ever need to shoot up (of all things) a country music concert across the street... a event that by all means has been swept under the rug. something doesnt ring true here...

A scapegoat perhaps (like Lee Harvey Oswald)? or should we chalk this up as backlash for everything the Dems and extreme leftists are doing to prominent Republican leadership by an overzealous nut job on the right?

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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10-26-2018 08:00 PM  24 days agoPost 2
tekparasite

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It's interesting how the mind does subtle moves to start guiding us to a place where we ultimately want to be especially when confronted with a reality that's difficult to accept.

Just stay away from doing mental gymnastics in order to land on your feet regardless of the truth. Example:

Attack to the right, blame the left
Attack to the left, blame the left for staging the attack.
Attack to the right, believe the news
Attack to the left, fake news
Attack to the right, typical of the left.
Attack to the left, isolated case.

I just picked an example (left vs. right), but all of us do it when trying to defend a position.

Another subtlety in the recent case is that hardly anyone is bashing the media for keeping information about the suspect neutral to some degree.
All of the news refer to the suspect as "Florida Man". This wouldn't be the case if there was hint that this guy was middle eastern. The outcry to immediately use terrorist, his nationality, his race and his religion would be almost demanded.

If the evidence points that this guy acted alone, then it means that this guy acted alone.

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10-26-2018 08:14 PM  24 days agoPost 3
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If the evidence points that this guy acted alone, then it means that this guy acted alone.
you damn well know the left leaning media is NOT going to ignore his Pro-Trump affinity, in fact it will be front and center... they are foaming at the mouth at this very minute finding ways to out do each other to the tune of "see! we told you!, Pro Trumpers are terrorists". Watch the news tonight, Im more than positive that places like CNN, NBC, CBS and even the forgotten hags on PBS will have no less than 5 "experts" spewing this and all the hosts in cult like devotion adding to its implied veracity.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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10-26-2018 09:17 PM  24 days agoPost 4
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If the evidence points that this guy acted alone, then it means that this guy acted alone.
you damn well know the left leaning media is NOT going to ignore his Pro-Trump affinity, in fact it will be front and center... they are foaming at the mouth at this very minute finding ways to out do each other to the tune of "see! we told you!, Pro Trumpers are terrorists". Watch the news tonight, Im more than positive that places like CNN, NBC, CBS and even the forgotten hags on PBS will have no less than 5 "experts" spewing this and all the hosts in cult like devotion adding to its implied veracity.
True. No doubt the far left is going to try to make a case that all Pro Trumpers are terrorist. And I will push back against that flawed statement equally as I push back when someone makes a flawed blanket statement about the left.

In my case, it is the latter statement that gets me labeled in here as a leftist troll, but I understand perfectly well where that's coming from. I try to apply the same reasoning process regardless of the politics.

In this case, I give props to the news outlets that are trying to keep this case neutral and report only to what we know. Also kudos to those outlets that keep the presentation legit.

I think we can all agree that one of these titles has a negative effect in our society
  • Caucasian, Right-Wing, Christian, Pro-Trump Terrorist responsible for pipe bombs
  • Arrested pipe bomb suspect named as blah blah blah of Aventura, Florida
I would like to see more news outlets presenting the truth (facts) while still being responsible about the approach in presentation.

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10-26-2018 09:30 PM  24 days agoPost 5
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I would like to see more news outlets presenting the truth (facts) while still being responsible about the approach in presentation.
the universe will evaporate before that ever happens.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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10-26-2018 09:46 PM  24 days agoPost 6
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I would like to see more news outlets presenting the truth (facts) while still being responsible about the approach in presentation.
the universe will evaporate before that ever happens.
You have to remember we are the consumers. They will tailor their format if they want our business (ratings). However, for this to happen, we must first acquire the taste for consuming honest news. We are nowhere near that point today.

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10-26-2018 11:52 PM  24 days agoPost 7
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If we had an honest Gov't...
The CIA would have stopped all these attacks and corruption in our Government. I have 100% lost my faith in our Government. I know they are behind all the chaos!

They are going to keep attacking Trump and burn our economy down. It is so obvious sitting here and watching the chaos unfold.

Just ask yourself why they haven't killed the President? They know 100 million armed patriots will rush to war and remove their powers!

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10-27-2018 02:07 AM  24 days agoPost 8
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Too easily apprehended...it smells..who would do that and wait around to be caught.. or maybe he was tired of livin in his van and is looking forward to prison food and meeting some new younger men.

I do a great decending funnel!

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10-27-2018 03:14 AM  24 days agoPost 9
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"why was he targeting Democrats" Oh Boy, looks like he has already been found guilty by the media

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10-27-2018 02:15 PM  23 days agoPost 10
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I can't say what exactly is going on with this guy. I still have too many questions to form an opinion. The timing of this couldn't be worse and I don't know how he thought sending a mail bomb to Robert De Niro was going to help anyone's cause. The Kavanaugh conformation made the left look like a bunch of maladjusted nutters. Now there are apparently 10 defective letter bombs sent from a right winger. As I said, too many questions to have an opinion.

What I am certain of is that we are a country of ~330 million and those are all individuals that are distributed on a bell curve. Either end of the curve has individuals that have music playing in their head I can't hear. While this latest letter bomb story doesn't look good for the conservative movement, lets not forget it wasn't 18 months ago a man walked up to a softball practice, asked "are those republicans", and opened fire with an AR. Neither event is acceptable. Both ends of the bell curve have people with tinfoil lining their hats.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...actice-baseball

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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10-27-2018 02:50 PM  23 days agoPost 11
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I can't say what exactly is going on with this guy. I still have too many questions to form an opinion. The timing of this couldn't be worse and I don't know how he thought sending a mail bomb to Robert De Niro was going to help anyone's cause. The Kavanaugh conformation made the left look like a bunch of maladjusted nutters. Now there are apparently 10 defective letter bombs sent from a right winger. As I said, too many questions to have an opinion.

What I am certain of is that we are a country of ~330 million and those are all individuals that are distributed on a bell curve. Either end of the curve has individuals that have music playing in there head I can't hear. While this latest letter bomb story doesn't look good for the conservative movement, lets not forget it wasn't 18 months ago a man walked up to a softball practice, asked "are those republicans", and opened fire with an AR. Neither event is acceptable. Both ends of the bell curve have people with tinfoil lining their hats.
BINGO!! I was literally going to put a comment referencing a normal distribution curve. Even though we understand the concept, we forget how to apply it when something like this happens.

This is why it is extremely important that leaders (like Trump) are careful in their wording. This is why the media plays an important role in the presentation of information. It's not the bulk of the folks we are worried about. The majority will understand and not act, but it is the folks at the extreme of the distribution curve that DO in fact act on a perceived 'emergency' or 'problem'.

For example, I don't agree when the president says.. "We are under attack by the left'. My thinking immediately goes to that group of extremist and how they are going to take that while the rest of the population thinks I'm defending the left which is the least of my concerns.

Same goes for the left and that lunatic that went on attacking Republicans at a baseball field.

Anyway, it's okay to admit that this pipe bomb guy acted on the basis of politics fueled by his fanaticism. It's a fact that he was extreme right and why the attack was on the left. Republicans pride themselves in calling it the way they see it (I hear that all the time when it involves Muslim terrorist). Acting any different in this case will be hypocrisy.

From my end, I understand perfectly well that his guy belongs at the fringes of the bell curve (circled areas in pic below). But I also see how rhetoric may push more people to the fringes and flattening out the curve.

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10-27-2018 06:01 PM  23 days agoPost 12
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So the news is this dude is a prominent Trump supporter... living out of his van which was covered with pro-trump stickers and anti-democrat/news media subject matter... whos social media accounts are plastered with pro-Trump pics... this is what is refereed to as an orgy of evidence often used by popular movies and crime series shows...

but is this sort of evidence ever happen in real life? this smells to me too much like the deadly Las Vegas mass shooting, where a supposed wacko barricaded himself with more weapons and ammo than he could ever need to shoot up (of all things) a country music concert across the street... a event that by all means has been swept under the rug. something doesnt ring true here...

A scapegoat perhaps (like Lee Harvey Oswald)? or should we chalk this up as backlash for everything the Dems and extreme leftists are doing to prominent Republican leadership by an overzealous nut job on the right?
I would say your over thinking this issue

The only thing I see wrong with this deal is that he was caught at a auto parts store

Im thinking that van should have been parked in a Walmart lot
and he should be in about 25 people of Walmart videos

ageing is manditory maturity is optional

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10-28-2018 04:40 AM  23 days agoPost 13
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gee, there is more going on than we have been told

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