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01-22-2020 04:18 PM  13 months ago
Grimracer

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If I am in the back yard.. and I take my RC heli and just toss it across the yard, not turned on.. am I flying it.. how about a Frisbee..

What if a neighbor sees me tossing a boomerang and he hates me.. he calls it in as me "flying in my back yard" and they see my RCheli that was also in the back yard but not flown.. then what.

I understand this is ridiculous BUT... this is WAY out of hand.

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01-22-2020 04:19 PM  13 months ago
TMoore

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Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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01-22-2020 04:46 PM  13 months ago
jbjones

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Grimracer I understand this is ridiculous BUT... this is WAY out of hand.
100% agree. There are a LOT of questions that I had, but it was late and the rank FNGs were busy with their questions.

One statement he made, that really rubbed me the wrong way, was that, "The FAA controls the air from Zero feet...". I wanted to ask if I needed an FAA number on my Tunnel Hull...when it flips sometimes it'll get up to 10'.

Complete Lunacy.
J. B. Jones
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01-22-2020 06:03 PM  13 months ago
TMoore

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jbjones
Grimracer I understand this is ridiculous BUT... this is WAY out of hand.
100% agree. There are a LOT of questions that I had, but it was late and the rank FNGs were busy with their questions.

One statement he made, that really rubbed me the wrong way, was that, "The FAA controls the air from Zero feet...". I wanted to ask if I needed an FAA number on my Tunnel Hull...when it flips sometimes it'll get up to 10'.

Complete Lunacy.
They think they do. Did all the birds get that memo?
Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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01-22-2020 06:58 PM  13 months ago
RappyTappy

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Do we need to call the FAA to plant trees, shrubs above zero feet now. Do our houses need anti collision lights on them?

They say even flying inside your own home you have to have remote ID on and broadcasting.
Do we need to have air traffic control authorization to enter our living room since apparently they regulate the air inside your house too.

It's just too much and frustrating.
Still buyin' and flyin' then crashing and cryin'
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01-22-2020 07:29 PM  13 months ago
Grimracer

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If I jump into the air.. shoot my pistol does the FAA come into play..

What about the bullet.. does it have have to be resisted? LOL

We are kind of jesting BUT.. as you can see rules for the sake of dollars and the people in charge get mental! LOL.. (say it like Wayne from Waynes world)

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01-22-2020 09:37 PM  13 months ago
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Did all the birds get that memo?
no need for notice, they ain't flying machines as UAS
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01-22-2020 10:29 PM  13 months ago
Grimracer

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it will be when I get done with it... you will not be able to tell the difference. now what.

EVERYBODYS SCALEING! lol

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01-23-2020 02:50 AM  13 months ago
RappyTappy

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So if I put a live bird inside my model, it is no longer considered unmanned.Still buyin' and flyin' then crashing and cryin'
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01-23-2020 03:07 AM  13 months ago
helitom

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Maybe the FAA BS is why NASA put monkeys in their prototype space capsules; so the capsules would be "sorta" manned.The older I get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.
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02-17-2020 06:40 AM  12 months ago
puma1824

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Please join us protest at FAA on Feb 28 & 29th.

http://www.helpsaveourhobby.com

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02-17-2020 08:51 AM  12 months ago
drdot

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Hi,

Wish I could make the protest.
Been hard at work getting people to call and write...nprm window closes Mar 2..
I will personally be civilly disobedient...Use 4th and 5th amendment to avoid any exchange with faa gestapo...We have a gofundme page set up for model aircraft pilots who may be fined by faa...The idea that we my have to register each model puts me out of business.
If you can, please call Tyler at AMA...He seems only AMA person doing anything at all. If this disaster becomes law I will be leaving AMA for good....and hope many follow as well.

John.
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02-18-2020 04:49 PM  12 months ago
AirWolfRC

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Clearly, there are some individuals out ther in some position of authority that want to impose their will on others in violation of existing laws. Like the park administrator that banned drone flights in public parks. Even after a higher authority put a lid on him he still wouldn't quit. I like to see people like those made un-happy campers.

https://www.interdrone.com/news/jud...n-public-parks/

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02-18-2020 05:13 PM  12 months ago
AirWolfRC

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At the beginning of this year, the FAA's Remote ID for manned aircraft (ADSB) took effect.

More on Remote ID for drones,

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media...tm_medium=email
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02-18-2020 11:54 PM  12 months ago
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The drone Weenies are out of control !!! They need even more restrictive measures !!!! They are ruining it for everyone else !!Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....
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02-19-2020 01:55 PM  12 months ago
elmobad

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The facts are the facts. Many will argue all this BS with the faa is not the fault of the drones (not including line of site quadcopter racing) "iam ta is talking long range distance GPS fling" . Let's look at the facts. Real HOBBYISTS had been flying with out any government oversight, you know forever..... Drones come into play and all things change. If it walks like a duck...... The ama had a chance to distance themselves. They saw an opportunity for the money grab. I was one of the many who said dont belive the government its only $5. I said once you open that door you will never close it. Once you do a deal with the "HOUSE" it always wins. Congratulations you got what you wanted....
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02-20-2020 03:05 AM  12 months ago
rpat

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I agree with you When I saw Hanson in a picture with a drone. In his hand on one of his editorials I knew right then and there we were screwed. AMA power grab for sure.trex 700fbl cal30,minititan,, trx600fbl,trex250,logo 500,Velocity N2
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03-04-2020 04:45 AM  12 months ago
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This must be the FAA-bashing thread. For everybody blaming the FAA for everything, maybe consider the source of the problem instead? Namely Congress, the House of Representatives? The ones that passed H.R.302 mandating remote ID of "drones" and instructing the FAA to administer it? And the FAA was given a deadline as to when it has to be implemented.

I've worked with the FAA for over 30 years as a commercial pilot. The men and women that I've worked with on our Part 135 and Part 137 over the years are not anything like depicted in this thread. The people that YOU elected to represent you in Congress are the ones you need to be talking to. They wrote the law, not the FAA. And there was only 23 members of the House that voted against it.

You can complain about the FAA all you want. It's not going to do any good - the FAA is just an arm of US DOT. Until you get H.R.302 revoked you are SCREWED. It is Federal Law. The FAA has zero leeway in changing it. They are only putting out the NPRM for public comment because they are required to do so by law under 5 U.S.C. 553(c). Do you think even for one moment your representatives in the House are going to read your comments on the NPRM and change the law? Think again.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th...e-bill/302/text
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03-04-2020 07:19 AM  12 months ago
TMoore

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ChrisO This must be the FAA-bashing thread. For everybody blaming the FAA for everything, maybe consider the source of the problem instead? Namely Congress, the House of Representatives? The ones that passed H.R.302 mandating remote ID of "drones" and instructing the FAA to administer it? And the FAA was given a deadline as to when it has to be implemented.

I've worked with the FAA for over 30 years as a commercial pilot. The men and women that I've worked with on our Part 135 and Part 137 over the years are not anything like depicted in this thread. The people that YOU elected to represent you in Congress are the ones you need to be talking to. They wrote the law, not the FAA. And there was only 23 members of the House that voted against it.

You can complain about the FAA all you want. It's not going to do any good - the FAA is just an arm of US DOT. Until you get H.R.302 revoked you are SCREWED. It is Federal Law. The FAA has zero leeway in changing it. They are only putting out the NPRM for public comment because they are required to do so by law under 5 U.S.C. 553(c). Do you think even for one moment your representatives in the House are going to read your comments on the NPRM and change the law? Think again.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th...e-bill/302/text
The FAA so far has not adhered to the recommendations of the 2017 ARC Committee nor have they appointed a CBO as Congress instructed them to do. On top of that the FAA redefined what an aircraft was and ignored their own statutes so they could regulate all unmanned vehicles. Since 2007 the FAA has spent an average of 60+ Million dollars per year on UAS integration alone, which covers a ton of handouts to all their stakeholder pals and an almost unlimited number of junkets for Junket Jay Merkle, Elwell, Huerta and now Dickson and they are still not done as evidenced in the latest DAC meeting streamed on YT just days ago.

FAA will study, committee and junket something to death, in the Navy it was called "concept formulation". It allows unlimited studies, committees, power point slides and meetings to be conducted while at the same time they are trying to figure out how to screw over modelers, Boeing crashed two 737 Max's to tune of 349 dead, an average of 5 GA crashes per day to the tune of 500 fatalities per year in the US alone. Have you seen anyone at FAA fry for that? No because one of the tenants of "concept formulation" gives everyone involved a way to avoid accepting responsibility for their failures. They are sailing on the FAA-Clueless, a rudderless ship going nowhere.

When you couple in the love affair that FAA had with DJI up until this last round of rule making not to mention the CON job that FAA did with the sham Part 107 licenses it almost looks like a RICO violation. Company after company is in some stage of study, testing or surveying all under the auspices of the FAA. If FAA wasn't a government entity they might be accused and convicted of racketeering. FAA even wants to dictate to RC Modelers what is and is not paid sponsorship in their opinion and certificates are their way to define it. Many of us told FAA to register Stabilized Multi's at the point of sale and use an unlock code that would force registration with verifiable credentials but lobbying efforts by big box stores as well as Drone Weenie Mfg's scared FAA into vacillation because they might lose some sales. So registration was enacted which did ZERO to make our skies safer and has lead to the NPRM we have today. FAA unleashed havoc on the NAS, a situation that is out of control.

The list goes on and on. It doesn't take much to scare folks on the hill when our Security Services start throwing around veiled references to terrorism and explosives and hobnobbing with well healed Washington lobbyists in an effort to repeal 336, which they did and advocate for remote ID which isn't even remotely feasible with current RC tech. Folks in Congress don't have a clue about this stuff because they depend on advisers for their talking points and they are generally clueless as well. So called experts will appear before committees and lie their asses of in testimony to Congress about timelines, infrastructure capabilities, technical capabilities, infrastructure costs etc., etc., ad infinitum. How does Congress know what is true or not? When you add in all of the other arbitrary and capricious rules set forth in the NPRM it's clear that FAA/DHS,NSA want modeling gone. Anyone can see it with a cursory read of the proposed rules.

So when folks on RR get pissed at the FAA they are doing it for good reason. You can try to blame Congress but the FAA, the CDA, Precisionhawk, Hogan Lovells, Boeing, Ford and a great big long list of companies squealed like a pig getting gored in a slaughterhouse when the ARC recommended an exemption exactly like we had with 336 was the answer for the Modelers that fly LOS. On top of that FAA is going to cook up a subscription scheme to fund the UTM'S, make the modeler pay for our own tracking as well as paying to register each and every model we own also requiring a separate FAA certified tamperproof RC device to fly those models with. I don't think the FAA knows a dual rate from a rate gyro but those are our new masters now. They're going to show us how it's done.
Part 107.
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It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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03-04-2020 03:51 PM  12 months ago
AirWolfRC

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Thanks Moore. The FAA is culpable in all this. If you want an idea of how a few in the FAA can go out on their own, just look at what they did to Bob Hoover.
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