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10-16-2018 10:59 PM  28 days agoPost 1
AirWolfRC

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"The new law repealed Section 336 of the 2012 version of the FAA authorization law, closing the so-called “hobbyist loophole”

"For hobbyists and recreational fliers, 400 feet is no longer a suggestion; it is a hard limit."

"Section 372 requires the FAA to establish a remote detection and identification program that law enforcement can use to track drones that violate regulations, - - - "

and other stuff - - -

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media...ign=181016drone

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10-17-2018 02:17 AM  28 days agoPost 2
drdot

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Oh, well...

I would probably wind up in jail anyway...Ain't doin it.
Wonder how the soaring and IMAC crowd feels...They can no longer fly...

Good times comin, folks!

John.

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10-17-2018 10:53 PM  27 days agoPost 3
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"The new law repealed Section 336 of the 2012 version of the FAA authorization law, closing the so-called “hobbyist loophole”
Not exactly true. See the following "SEC. 349. EXCEPTION FOR LIMITED RECREATIONAL OPERATIONS OF UNMANNED AIRCRAFT"

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10-17-2018 10:55 PM  27 days agoPost 4
Heli_Splatter

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You must pass an Aeronautical Knowledge and Safety Test.
AERONAUTICAL KNOWLEDGE AND SAFETY TEST.—

This is a wonderful idea.

‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 180 days after the date
of enactment of this section, the Administrator, in consultation
with manufacturers of unmanned aircraft systems, other
industry stakeholders, and community-based organizations,
shall develop an aeronautical knowledge and safety test, which
can then be administered electronically by the Administrator,
a community-based organization, or a person designated by
the Administrator.

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10-18-2018 07:59 AM  26 days agoPost 5
TMoore

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I have two words for that: not happening.

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10-18-2018 12:34 PM  26 days agoPost 6
Heli_Splatter

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I have two words for that: not happening.
Passed by both houses of congress and signed by the president. You heard it here, TMoore says it is not happening. Bank on it. [\sarcasm off]

Rather than fighting the FAA, TSA and law enforcement at every turn, we should help them distinguish the good guys from the bad guys. So what if you loose a couple of hours studying for the test. IMHO

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10-18-2018 06:26 PM  26 days agoPost 7
TMoore

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TMoore
I have two words for that: not happening.
Passed by both houses of congress and signed by the president. You heard it here, TMoore says it is not happening. Bank on it. [\sarcasm off]

Rather than fighting the FAA, TSA and law enforcement at every turn, we should help them distinguish the good guys from the bad guys. So what if you loose a couple of hours studying for the test. IMHO
Please follow along with the general flow of the thread. The OP clearly stated that these new rules had already passed and since I follow the news quite closely am well aware of the legal status of the bill in question. Even the title of the thread alludes to the fact that this is now passed law.

The "not happening" refers to taking a knowledge test, speaking only for myself. I am fully aware that Congress passed this crap and that the President signed it. If the AMA requires members to take and pass this so called airman's knowledge test, when and if it actually comes to fruition they will see their membership drop to historic lows.

If you want to take a knowledge test, have at it. I'm not.

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10-18-2018 06:36 PM  26 days agoPost 8
Heli_Splatter

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There is a new sheriff in town and the AMA does not rule anything.

Try to stay up.

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10-18-2018 06:56 PM  26 days agoPost 9
TMoore

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Dude, understand something; There aren't enough FAA people or LEO's in the US to enforce any of the FAA regs as currently written. That's why the FAA has been in constant discussions with AMA to figure out how to get to an enforcement level. Now that the Drone Weenies and the FAA have what they want, they now have to figure out how to make the law work. Keep on hoping though, I'm sure it will all work out. As AirwolfRC pointed out, the transponder stuff will be an absolute nightmare and dominate all their time just trying to figure out how to make that BS work.

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10-18-2018 07:28 PM  26 days agoPost 10
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The government is giving themselves the laws and technical ability of deterrence. The FAA is not a law enforcement agency, but when laws are broken and people or property is damaged as a result, the FAA can ruin the responsible party financially for failure to follow those laws.

If I know that the FAA can electronically determine whos aircraft is flying on the mall and where they are controlling it from, it will act as a deterrence to unsubs wanting to fly there.

Just because we have a law does not get everyone to comply. Most people will find the laws reasonable and protecting both our lives and our property and comply. If you want to fly in the middle of class G airspace in the desert you may get away with anything you wish. We all know that. Look at Marijuana laws.

I want someone keeping a drone (plane, Heli, multi) out of my windscreen or at least a law that holds them accountable for my death.

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10-18-2018 07:41 PM  26 days agoPost 11
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Peolple take multiple test to drive, still dummies the lot of them. A test doesn't make people smarter, safer or more responsible, sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

A government 'test' is not a test, but a contract that you are signing to be used against you when you break the rules you agree to.

My favorite part about this bamboozling railroading sham of the hobby community is how Congress received a 1200 page bill on Sunday and voted on it the following Wednesday. Yeah, they really read, comprehended and took concerted thought on 300 pages a day.

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10-18-2018 07:43 PM  26 days agoPost 12
TMoore

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The government is giving themselves the laws and technical ability of deterrence. The FAA is not a law enforcement agency, but when laws are broken and people or property is damaged as a result, the FAA can ruin the responsible party financially for failure to follow those laws.

If I know that the FAA can electronically determine whos aircraft is flying on the mall and where they are controlling it from, it will act as a deterrence to unsubs wanting to fly there.

Just because we have a law does not get everyone to comply. Most people will find the laws reasonable and protecting both our lives and our property and comply. If you want to fly in the middle of class G airspace in the desert you may get away with anything you wish. We all know that. Look at Marijuana laws.

I want someone keeping a drone (plane, Heli, multi) out of my windscreen or at least a law that holds them accountable for my death.
The lifestyle on Planet Fantasyland must be great. Transponders will not get integrated into GPS multis for years and even then you'll have to be right on top of them humping them with an antenna just to pick up the signal. Do you honestly think that Spectrum, Futaba, Graupner, JR, Sanwa, Mikado, Jeti or Hitec will be integrating transponders into their RC offerings? They will find it easier to just leave the US market and let us fend for ourselves. The cost will go through the roof and the tech will be unreliable at best.

The FAA has enough of their own problems. There are so many fullsize crashes almost every day that the FAA and NHTSA will be investigating them for the next decade before they catch up.

BTW, the laws as enacted are totally without merit and unreasonable. AMA members and modelers in general have been lumped into a group we neither want or deserve to be members of.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/e...ning-2018-02-08

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10-18-2018 09:36 PM  26 days agoPost 13
JuanRodriguez

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There is a new sharrif in town and the AMA does not rule anything.

Try to stay up.
What’s a “sharrif” ???

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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10-18-2018 10:32 PM  26 days agoPost 14
TMoore

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You know Omar Sharif, the Egyptian actor. He's got a cousin that works for the FAA. His name is Clyde.

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10-19-2018 12:14 AM  26 days agoPost 15
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Dude, don’t call me dude.
LEO does not catch every speeder, or stop sign runner, but they catch enough to make you think about it.
If you are required to use a transmitter that broadcasts your identification, maybe you think twice about doing stupid things.
It will take some time, but in 10 years it will be the standard.

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10-19-2018 12:52 AM  26 days agoPost 16
TMoore

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Dude, don’t call me dude.
LEO does not catch every speeder, or stop sign runner, but they catch enough to make you think about it.
If you are required to use a transmitter that broadcasts your identification, maybe you think twice about doing stupid things.
It will take some time, but in 10 years it will be the standard.
Ok Dude.

You clearly don't understand propagation and I'm not damn sure not going to explain it to you. I can just see every cop running around with a Drone hunter spotter receiver in their squad car tracking those wascawwy dwone piwots. Huuhhhhhuuuuuhhhhh!

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10-19-2018 01:13 AM  26 days agoPost 17
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Propagation? Why would I use grandfather’s technology when I could have digital position and ID deets sent once every xx seconds by the offender’s radio. Crunch the data and deploy LEO. Maybe you should park the buggy in the barn.

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10-19-2018 01:18 AM  26 days agoPost 18
TMoore

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Propagation? Why would I use grandfather’s technology when I could have digital position and ID deets sent once every xx seconds by the offender’s radio. Crunch the data and deploy LEO. Maybe you should park the buggy in the barn.
Maybe you should get your head out of the sand. You really don't understand do you? Propagation applies to every signal no matter if it's digital or analog. Mode doesn't matter, ID tones don't matter; you have to be able to hear it regardless of the mode. I hope you have a fire extinguisher handy, you just got torched.

We as in RC Modelers operate in an ISM Band. Do some research. The heightened noise floor alone will make it almost impossible to pick out RC devices from all the other clutter in the band.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_propagation

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10-19-2018 01:33 AM  26 days agoPost 19
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Maybe you should get your head out of the sand. You really don't understand do you? Propagation applies to every signal no matter if it's digital or analog. Mode doesn't matter, ID tones don't matter; you have to be able to hear it regardless of the mode. I hope you have a fire extinguisher handy, you just got torched.
Did I say anything about using old fashioned radio signals? It will all be tied to digital networks. Weather cool here. What about Florida? You still wearing socks and sandals grandpops?

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10-19-2018 01:35 AM  26 days agoPost 20
TMoore

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Maybe you should get your head out of the sand. You really don't understand do you? Propagation applies to every signal no matter if it's digital or analog. Mode doesn't matter, ID tones don't matter; you have to be able to hear it regardless of the mode. I hope you have a fire extinguisher handy, you just got torched.
Did I say anything about using old fashioned radio signals? It will all be tied to digital networks. Weather cool here. What about Florida? You still wearing socks and sandals grandpops?
Those digital networks use RF. How do you think your cellphone operates? Cool here in TN too. BTW, those digital networks are for comms only not control of remote devices. Piggybacking on the cell networks like the DJI BS does is patently illegal as that spectrum is not allocated for that use. You gotta get hip Bruh.

https://transition.fcc.gov/oet/spec...le/fcctable.pdf

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