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10-02-2018 05:54 PM  15 days agoPost 41
tekparasite

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I can't seem to remember the Republicans publicly slandering a supreme court nomination and his family to advance their political agenda. I do remember Obama was in a position to appoint a Justice in the final few months of his Presidency. A congress, democratically elected by the people of the United States, used the parliamentary tools available to delay confirmation.

Your not suggesting these are similar situations are you?
I'm totally suggesting these cases are similar. The underlying driving force behind these actions is POLITICS. All you are doing is pointing out superficial differences and leveraging those differences to come out on top.
Just look at the language you are using: "..Congress used the parliamentary tools available.." That's no different than a democrat hiding behind the shield of "We are only doing this (delay) because we care about Dr. Ford. It is our duty to select the best candidate to the supreme court"

I would like to hear your opinion when Trump brought the group of women that claimed being sexually harassed by Bill Clinton prior to the presidential debate in 2016.
Did you have the same sympathy for Hillary or Chelsea? Did you see this act as appalling and wrong? Or did you support it?
wjvail
We are agree in that what is going on today is simply a delay and confuse tactic. It is age old. They have floated out an accusation and asked Kavanaugh to prove it didn't happen. As I've written about in the past, you can't prove a negative. There will be no way to prove without a doubt that what has been proposed, that is, the "assault" of a girl 30+ years ago at a high school party, didn't happen. Just like the Russian collusion supposition, there is no way to prove it didn't happen. Most definitive outcome would be "there is no evidence to support the claim...". Of course that is hardly reassuring for those that want to believe.

This Kavanaught "claim" is simply another Russel's teapot.
You are twisting things here. NOBODY in their right mind will shift the burden of proof on the accused in a criminal case. That's not how it works. This is why pointing to the legal system may prove Brett "Not Guilty" of the charges.

In general, the burden of proof is always on the person/party/entity making the claim.

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10-02-2018 06:51 PM  15 days agoPost 42
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The swamp dweller's mud slinging and slander is only subject to one rule, if you sling it and it makes anyone question the quality of the other guy it is a win.

The solution is something like - let the one without sin cast the first stone? If the FBI is going to be used as a political tool then let them be used as a political tool, Trump can have them investigate all those nasty noisey little swamp rats. Lets find out who are the bed wetters, let's find out who belongs in the lowest level of hell reserved for those who double dip in the salsa and talk during the movie.

Give the swamp rats what they ask for, and a lot more.

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10-02-2018 08:31 PM  14 days agoPost 43
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The swamp dweller's mud slinging and slander is only subject to one rule, if you sling it and it makes anyone question the quality of the other guy it is a win.

The solution is something like - let the one without sin cast the first stone? If the FBI is going to be used as a political tool then let them be used as a political tool, Trump can have them investigate all those nasty noisey little swamp rats. Lets find out who are the bed wetters, let's find out who belongs in the lowest level of hell reserved for those who double dip in the salsa and talk during the movie.

Give the swamp rats what they ask for, and a lot more.
OK. Let's go for the low hanging fruit. I remember hearing a common chant during Trump rallies that went something like: "Lock her up! Lock her up!"

In addition to that, Trump stated to her face and for the rest of the world to see and I quote "If I win, I'm going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies.. so much deception.. "

Well, he did win. And here's the execution of the statement made. Here's the start of that savage execution:

Watch at YouTube

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10-02-2018 08:48 PM  14 days agoPost 44
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"Well, he did win."

Yup. Trump won.

Did the Clinton's shut down the foundation? Its a shame they suddenly do not feel charitable anymore. Looks to me that Trump had something to do with that, pretty much day one. Well done Trump, very good start.

Didn't the FBI lose a bunch of evidence? Maybe forgot what obstruction of justice is? Not much point for Trump, the greatest president who ever lived, to go after the Hildabeast if the FBI is still just part of the swamp. First things first.

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10-02-2018 09:20 PM  14 days agoPost 45
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"Well, he did win."

Yup. Trump won.

Did the Clinton's shut down the foundation? Its a shame they suddenly do not feel charitable anymore.

Didn't the FBI lose a bunch of evidence? Maybe forgot what obstruction of justice is? Not much point for Trump, the greatest president who ever lived, to go after the Hildabeast if the FBI is still just part of the swamp. First things first.
Nobody is disputing he won the presidency. But wait, just because they shutdown the Clinton foundation, it doesn't mean that they get to go free. If a group of bank robbers get caught outside a bank, the police doesn't say.."Well, we will let them go since we recovered all the money"
Nice subtle way of letting Trump off the hook, and make it look like it was mission accomplished.
And while you call Hillary "Hildabeast", our president asked for a standing ovation and stated he has a lot of respect for those two people (The Clinton's).

So, now the FBI is part of the swamp!!??

Yeah, they are part of the swamp when they find stuff you don't agree with. But whenever they find stuff you DO agree with, you take their word for it.
If the FBI comes back with saying.. "We can't find evidence that Kavanaugh is guilty of those allegations".. Would you still say the FBI is part of the swamp? OR are you going to take that as evidence that Kavanaugh is NOT guilty?

Just curious.

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10-02-2018 09:29 PM  14 days agoPost 46
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So Comey didn't get fired?

Country bumpkin sherrifs do a far better job of hanging onto evidence.

Swamp? Absolutely! but if you need to call it incompetence and keep your snowflake mind together (good luck) fine.

El Chapo, the cartell guy who tunneled out of jail in Mexico is in jail again, but the cartell is still running? Compared to that Trump is doing a fantastic job on the Clinton cartel IMO.

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10-02-2018 09:54 PM  14 days agoPost 47
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So Comey didn't get fired?

Country bumpkin sherrifs do a far better job of hanging onto evidence.

Swamp? Absolutely! but if you need to call it incompetence and keep your snowflake mind together (good luck) fine.

El Chapo, the cartell guy who tunneled out of jail in Mexico is in jail again, but the cartell is still running? Compared to that Trump is doing a fantastic job on the Clinton cartel IMO.
I noticed you avoided answering the question: If in a week from today, the FBI says they haven't found evidence that Kavanaugh is guilty of the accusations, are you going to claim that's false because the FBI is part of the swamp? Yes or No.

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10-02-2018 10:32 PM  14 days agoPost 48
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If this, if that... pfft.

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10-02-2018 11:27 PM  14 days agoPost 49
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If this, if that... pfft.
Exactly, you have a hard time answering the question because you know you will flip.

Most core Trump supporters struggle criticizing him when he asked for a standing ovation for Hillary, or when he said he has a lot of respect for the Clinton's.

Supporters will go through a lot of mental gymnastics to forget what he said or to twist what he said because it doesn't fit what they were conditioned to believe. The option of criticizing Trump is not an option.

This is not about defending the Clinton's or bashing Trump. It's about latching on to a person/idea/party without any regards to the truth.

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10-03-2018 12:11 AM  14 days agoPost 50
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In the unlikely event investigators are able to add even a tiny bit of credability to that idiotic freak show, i will say ya got me! Stabbed thru the heart! Falling on the ground, beaten, dieing dramatically shamed, i will cry out "oh Parasite! great savior of earth and all that is holy ya got me!"

Till then shut up.

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10-03-2018 03:43 AM  14 days agoPost 51
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In the unlikely event investigators are able to add even a tiny bit of credability to that idiotic freak show, i will say ya got me! Stabbed thru the heart! Falling on the ground, beaten, dieing dramatically shamed, i will cry out "oh Parasite! great savior of earth and all that is holy ya got me!"

Till then shut up.
...Riiiiiighhhht...LOL!

You know. We don't have to wait for the what ifs....tell me, what do you think about Trump asking for a standing ovation and saying he gives a lot of respect to the Clinton's.

Hold on.. let me get my popcorn.

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10-03-2018 05:52 AM  14 days agoPost 52
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Buh bie.

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10-03-2018 06:19 AM  14 days agoPost 53
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You know. We don't have to wait for the what ifs....tell me, what do you think about Trump asking for a standing ovation and saying he gives a lot of respect to the Clinton's.
I will say it again,,, it does not matter what we feel or what we think about that, because in America X Presidents and their wives, do not go to jail, the proof of that has been shown

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Buzz Buzz Buzz

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10-03-2018 07:12 AM  14 days agoPost 54
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10-03-2018 03:15 PM  14 days agoPost 55
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tekparasite
You know. We don't have to wait for the what ifs....tell me, what do you think about Trump asking for a standing ovation and saying he gives a lot of respect to the Clinton's.
I will say it again,,, it does not matter what we feel or what we think about that, because in America X Presidents and their wives, do not go to jail, the proof of that has been shown
I agree that it doesn't matter for the purposes of locking her up. The point I'm trying to make is our inability to judge fairly once we get our minds set on something or someone. Even when presented with a scenario that has grounds for criticism, we refuse to do it. This is dangerous, in my opinion, because we can easily be manipulated knowing that we will have a strong bias toward support regardless of the actions.

This is why it's important what we feel or what we think.

Such criticism should NOT hinder your support for Trump. It is possible to support Trump but call it when it is warranted. I tend to give respect to the folks that do that. We can have disagreements, and that's okay. If those disagreements are based on some fundamental ideal/value. But when we flip or refuse to criticize a bad move on the basis of fanaticism, you are not helping this country become great again.

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10-03-2018 04:10 PM  14 days agoPost 56
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I'll say it again... Ford has no verifiable evidence, not then, not now. therefore on those grounds there is no case and therefore no reason NOT to confirm.

what else is there to look at? nothing....

To continue to play this game is akin to saying that simply because YOU cant find a magical unicorn that they dont exist... somewhere in the universe. So until you search all the universe, past, present and future you cant state that a unicorn doesnt ACTUALLY exist. This is referred to as proving a negative. And the very tactic being implemented here in part. then add the very fact that this has now turned into a fishing expedition... to find anything that can be used to disqualify and you have the prove a negative tactic in full swing.

So I base most of my decisions on presented evidence within realistic bounds...

..my wife on the other hand is an emotional being and rely's on "feelings".

Now I know why married men often die decades before their wives do.

tell you what Id love to see at the next hearing... videos of Democratic senators who were accused in the past by credible witnesses (or admitted to), caught lying, etc presented after each of their statements... then asked to respond to their views afterwards based on what they did.

should stop this BS real quick.

then THEY are thus disqualified as being members of a confirmation hearing based on the fact that the're personal faults are one or more faults they used to disqualify an appointee.... we can call it the "Throw No Stones" rule...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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10-03-2018 09:50 PM  13 days agoPost 57
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Lets start here:

Since 1997, Congress has paid at least $15 million to settle complaints about sexual harassment, racial discrimination, and violations of the Americans With Disabilities Act under the umbrella of the Congressional Accountability Act (CAA) of 1995.

The process by which victims of sexual harassment on the Hill seek justice is long and arduous — it takes up to three months before a formal complaint can be filed. If a settlement is reached, it’s kept secret. The source of the money in the fund is excluded from the standard appropriations budget made public by Congress each year. There’s no process by which voters — or potential employees — can find out who the harassers in office are, what they’ve been accused of, or if they’ve settled with victims before.

The fund used to settle violations of the CAA is perhaps just one of the several pockets of money throughout the government used to handle judgments made against government employees. As harassment accusations topple prominent men in media, comedy, and Hollywood, it’s come under more scrutiny.

Victims of sexual harassment on Capitol Hill are protected by law. But payments made by harassers are protected too.

The Settlement and Awards Fund comes from an effort to hold Congress accountable for the federal laws that all other employers have to follow.

You can read more here. How about we publish the 'records' of those that have used this and WHY.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...ssment-the-hill

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10-03-2018 11:09 PM  13 days agoPost 58
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I'll say it again... Ford has no verifiable evidence, not then, not now. therefore on those grounds there is no case and therefore no reason NOT to confirm.
I'll go one step back. There are no charges. So, there is no case.
RM3
To continue to play this game is akin to saying that simply because YOU cant find a magical unicorn that they dont exist... somewhere in the universe. So until you search all the universe, past, present and future you cant state that a unicorn doesnt ACTUALLY exist. This is referred to as proving a negative. And the very tactic being implemented here in part. then add the very fact that this has now turned into a fishing expedition... to find anything that can be used to disqualify and you have the prove a negative tactic in full swing.
Well, technically speaking, it is possible to prove a negative. For example, "there are no married bachelors". We don't have to do any searches for such entity because you have proven its non-existence under the basis of incompatible features by definition. But I get what you are saying. This is why I rather point to the Burden of Proof Philosophy. The one who makes the claim has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim.

If anyone is trying to shift the burden of proof, they will be wrong under that basis. You can confidently say that they need to reserve judgement until the accused is found guilty.
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Now I know why married men often die decades before their wives do.

tell you what Id love to see at the next hearing... videos of Democratic senators who were accused in the past by credible witnesses (or admitted to), caught lying, etc presented after each of their statements... then asked to respond to their views afterwards based on what they did.

should stop this BS real quick.

then THEY are thus disqualified as being members of a confirmation hearing based on the fact that the're personal faults are one or more faults they used to disqualify an appointee.... we can call it the "Throw No Stones" rule...
As much as I wish that would stop. It isn't. And again. this isn't a left vs. right thing. Both parties do it and will NOT show hesitation on using that weapon when given the opportunity.

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10-04-2018 02:12 AM  13 days agoPost 59
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It occurs to me to ask... Why would the Republican congress continue to allow this ridiculous calliope to continue play on? They don't have to. They have the votes to simply confirm the man. There are only the unsubstantiated ravings of a single woman. Maybe she's got a legitimate complaint but no one will ever prove it. At a minimum he is innocent until someone proves him guilty. Guilty of something - of anything. They could have taken the vote a week ago.

Assuming everyone in congress hasn't had their brain removed, I can only suppose there is a reason for all this.

I wonder. Is this the ol' magicians ploy? Keep you eyes on the semi-naked lady while I make something else happen? While CNN was ****ting themselves over this issue of the doings of a 17 year old nearly 40 years ago, a new NAFTA was slipped in. The Donald snubbed the prime minister of Canada at least twice in the last month and voilá, new agreement. (I still remember Ross saying in the '90s, "If you approve NAFTA, you will hear the giant sucking sounds of American jobs moving south." ) Maybe it's something else we are not paying attention to.

Or is it the first law of thermal dynamics? The 1st law: If the heat is on you, it is not on me. While we are stooging around with this Kavanaugh thing, midterm elections are coming up. How many voters have a 17 year old child that is perfect? Anyone? How many voters were perfect at 17? Err, I hear crickets. Let's talk about Kavanaugh, not the Presidents marital fidelity. Sloppy Daniels has a new book. Anyone notice? Anyone care? Kinda got lost in the whirlwind didn't it? The heat's on Kavanaugh for a month which means it is not on the President.

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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10-04-2018 02:16 AM  13 days agoPost 60
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It occurs to me to ask... Why would the Republican congress continue to allow this ridiculous calliope to continue play on? They don't have to. They have the votes to simply confirm the man. There are only the unsubstantiated ravings of a single woman. Maybe she's got a legitimate complaint but no one will ever prove it. At a minim he is innocent until someone proves him guilty. Guilty of something - of anything. They could have taken the vote a week ago.

Assuming everyone in congress hasn't had their brain removed, I can only suppose there is a reason for all this.

I wonder. Is this the ol' magicians ploy? Keep you eyes on the semi-naked lady while I make something else happen? While CNN was ****ting themselves over this issue of the doings of a 17 year old nearly 40 years ago, a new NAFTA was slipped in. The Donald snubbed the prime minister of Canada at least twice in the last month and low, new agreement. (I still remember Ross saying in the '90s, "If you approve NAFTA, you will hear the giant sucking sounds of American jobs moving south." ) Maybe it's something else we are not paying attention to.

Or is it the first law of thermal dynamics? The 1st law: If the heat is on you, it is not on me. While we are stooging around with this Kavanaugh thing, midterm elections are coming up. How many voters have a 17 year old child that is perfect? Anyone? How many voters were perfect at 17? Err, I hear crickets. Let's talk about Kavanaugh, not the Presidents marital fidelity. Sloppy Daniels has a new book. Anyone notice? Anyone care? Kinda got lost in the whirlwind didn't it? The heat's on Kavanaugh for a month. Let's get something done.
All valid points. All valid questions.

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