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09-05-2018 05:45 PM  19 days agoPost 21
JerBear

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09-05-2018 05:47 PM  19 days agoPost 22
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^^^

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09-05-2018 06:04 PM  19 days agoPost 23
tekparasite

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Time for you to fess up about being a Democrat. Your posts are telling on you. Are you a first generation from south of the border? Second maybe?? What?
It's hard to stop knee jerk reactions isn't it? Making assertions without knowing all the facts. I don't blame you. I know it's hard. But you need to stop and think about things a layer deeper. Would you believe me if I told you I was a Republican delegate for the state of Texas? I sided mostly with the republican platform based on libertarian ideals. Small Gov't, Constitutionalist, Non-Interventionist, Fiscal Conservative, Maximizing Civil liberties, etc.
I also have respect for the office of the president, BUT that comes at a price. The price for that respect is that the person holding that office MUST meet certain threshold of civility, diplomacy, etc.

When I criticize Trump for not meeting that threshold, it doesn't make me a democrat, it makes me a good citizen for wanting him to be a better president. The fact that you can't see that, it's not my fault.

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09-05-2018 06:12 PM  19 days agoPost 24
tekparasite

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Foul language? Are you high or just stupid? Speaking the truth is never "foul language" . . . and the entire PC bullcrap concept is just another libtard mechanism to suppress opposition to their massively destructive agenda. O'Bumbles was criticized for being an idiot and causing massive destruction to the country, for aiding and funding it's enemies, and for creating a more deeply set entitlement class (that actually has no legitimate entitlement), and for basically coddling criminals in manners which are directly in conflict with US law. The only complaint I hear from the 'tards on Trump is "he said a word I don't like . . . whineeeeeeeeeeee" and honestly I don't give a damn. We didn't elect him to be likeable or to win popularity contests (most folks realize that crap does not matter about at puberty . . . the rest become libtards . . . ) We elected him to unf**k O'Bumbles mess, and he is doing a fantastic job, despite all the unsubstantiated lies and claims to the contrary. How about applying that same level of critical view to Hildegaard the Destroyer, and her sale of strategic assets to an enemy state, just for starters? No grey area - it's all documented, so need to even write any lies!
Yeah.. Good arguments. LOL!
Whenever you want to talk real issues, let me know.
Next?

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09-05-2018 07:11 PM  19 days agoPost 25
dilberteinstein

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The fact that you can't see that, it's not my fault.
Actually, I see through you. You have confirmed my suspicions...what is your name?...Jose? Juan? You are Hispanic aren't you? You were sucked in by the name BETO weren't you?

Just out of curiosity, tell me about YOUR feelings about ICE.

The more you write, the more you reveal.

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09-05-2018 08:47 PM  19 days agoPost 26
tekparasite

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Just out of curiosity, tell me about YOUR feelings about ICE.
Don't flatter yourself as if you have this wisdom (aka google search) because I have used this handle for more than a decade.

My feelings for ICE? That's a weird question because I usually don't have feelings for a government agency. That's like asking how do I feel about the treasury dept. or the IRS. My brother-in-law and two of my cousins work for ICE. Like any other gov't agency, a lot can be done to squeeze more performance out of the agency (that's their feedback - not mine). Those folks at ICE do a good job specially the guys at DHS. My bro-in-law works on really tough cases for DHS that involve CP. So, I support the agency in general, but this clashes with my view of 'small government'.

I also don't want big government waste. So, in my opinion ICE, just like any other government agency, should NOT be abolished. However, can it be improved? Is there waste? OR are they in need?

ICE doesn't make up the rules. They just enforce immigration laws. ICE doesn't have an agenda. They are simply doing their jobs.

How is that on my feeling for ICE?

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09-05-2018 08:59 PM  19 days agoPost 27
dilberteinstein

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Don't flatter yourself as if you have this wisdom (aka google search) because I have used this handle for more than a decade.
Don't need to google you, you have answered my question.

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09-05-2018 09:13 PM  19 days agoPost 28
dilberteinstein

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I also don't want big government waste. So, in my opinion ICE, just like any other government agency, should NOT be abolished. However, can it be improved? Is there waste? OR are they in need?

ICE doesn't make up the rules. They just enforce immigration laws. ICE doesn't have an agenda. They are simply doing their jobs.

How is that on my feeling for ICE?
Saying they can be improved is a generic answer, but can their purpose be improved? I think they have the right mission. Maybe they can drive more efficient autos, maybe more effective uniforms, maybe more officers would yield less overtime...all aimed at driving down costs. I'm good with any of that, but not changing or abolishing ICE.

I am very transparent with my posts. If you read my past posts, you will see I am very right wing...I make no bones about it.

I am very leery of those claiming to NOT being leftist while banging the right or the voters on the right. I haven't seen your disapproval of the Democrats but you are clearly anti right.

If you're a lefty, fine...own up it and we can discuss from opposite viewpoints.

I think the best way to proceed is to discuss issues and tell why we lean one way or another.

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09-05-2018 09:49 PM  19 days agoPost 29
tekparasite

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Saying they can be improved is a generic answer,
It is, but I have examples based on feedback for making that comment. When I hear ICE employees saying, 'I can goof off and mulch this case over if I want to.' I know there is room for improvement. My bro-in-law works hard, but he can't say the same about his peers. I know it's a small sample, but I can't help to think (big gov't flaw). That's what I mean by improving performance. I work in the private industry sector and it's perform or sink.
dilberteinstein
I am very leery of those claiming to NOT being leftist while banging the right or the voters on the right. I haven't seen your disapproval of the Democrats but you are clearly anti right.
Let's get this straight. I'm anti identity politics. So, you'll see me jump left vs. right depending on the issue at hand. I don't fit the Libertarian agenda 100% either, but if I have to associate myself with a party, you can put me down as libertarian.

As far as disapproval of the democrats, well, I wasn't in the forum when Obama was in office, but as you can guess, I was very critical of the bailouts, Big Gov't spending, wars, gov't spying, etc.

Can I say good things about Trump? Absolutely, A+ on striking conversations with N. Korea. The only way we can achieve something is through dialog. Do I wish he was more diplomatic? You bet! I hope you see why I'm very keen on having Trump elevate his behavior to the level of the office he has and YET somehow be himself.
dilberteinstein
I think the best way to proceed is to discuss issues and tell why we lean one way or another.
I have gone from Democrat, to Republican to Libertarian. I have no issues siding with any of them on any subject as long as it is a sound, logical position that benefits this country and people in general. -- Also that is founded on the Constitution.

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09-05-2018 10:30 PM  19 days agoPost 30
dilberteinstein

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I have no issues siding with any of them on any subject as long as it is a sound, logical position that benefits this country and people in general. -- Also that is founded on the Constitution.
Okey dokey then, let's proceed.

I oppose BETO. What about you? While you're thinking about that consider this: BETO co-introduced into congress "H.R. 1036: American Families United Act".

Nice name right?...American Families United. Well, it is a lie. Example: buried in the text of the bill is: "For purposes of this clause, family separation in and of itself shall be deemed to be a hardship." This amounts to get-out-of-jail card for illegals. There are plenty of restrictions placed on illegals in this bill, but this one clause gives them an out to bring illegal children to insure the adults' freedom.

This has nothing to do with united American families from the USA. This has to do with any illegal regardless of national origin...South America or China. It is an aid to bypass the laws of this country.

Tell me about BETO and why you'll vote for him...you will vote for him won't you?

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09-06-2018 02:33 AM  19 days agoPost 31
tekparasite

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I oppose BETO. What about you?
I can't oppose something I don't know about. I'm not lying when I say, I don't know much about him.
dilberteinstein
While you're thinking about that consider this: BETO co-introduced into congress "H.R. 1036: American Families United Act".

Nice name right?...American Families United. Well, it is a lie. Example: buried in the text of the bill is: "For purposes of this clause, family separation in and of itself shall be deemed to be a hardship." This amounts to get-out-of-jail card for illegals. There are plenty of restrictions placed on illegals in this bill, but this one clause gives them an out to bring illegal children to insure the adults' freedom.

This has nothing to do with united American families from the USA. This has to do with any illegal regardless of national origin...South America or China. It is an aid to bypass the laws of this country.
So, here is where we address the intent vs. the bill at face value.
First, I don't think this is a partisan bill given that you have 5 Republican Co-Sponsors and 3 Democrats. Can we agree there?
The question becomes: was Beto so smart that he purposely included that loop hole ahead of time while the Republicans co-sponsoring this bill are so dumb that they overlooked it?
This is a proposed bill to amend INA which doesn't apply when there is a criminal record. If there is a criminal record, all bets are off of course. There is also consideration of family separation. Cruz is also proposing legislation to do the same (keep fams together), so it looks less and less partisan.

At face value, I would have an issue with letting people go that are here illegally. I also don't want to break families apart (again, criminal record aside). So, why not tag those illegals with an ankle bracelet, for example. They get to go home but you know where they are at any given time.

So, is it a bill that needs work? OR is it a bill concocted by an evil smart guy that outsmarted some republicans?
dilberteinstein
Tell me about BETO and why you'll vote for him...you will vote for him won't you?
Beto doesn't have my vote, but neither does Cruz. I know more about Cruz than Beto at this time. The issue with relatively new guys is to know their character and voting record. Cruz was the low hanging fruit for me. He pushed the right buttons on fiscal conservatism, small govt', etc. But boy did he take a plunge when he sided with Trump for political purposes. If he would have stayed silenced, I wouldn't be in this dilemma.

I can tell you this, calling Beto libtard, idiot, retarded like others have done doesn't move the needle one bit for cruz.

In the same manner, I would say that your example is something of substance and worth talking about.

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09-06-2018 02:41 AM  19 days agoPost 32
tekparasite

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What do you think about Cruz's proposed legislation to keep families together?
Link here.

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09-06-2018 03:32 AM  19 days agoPost 33
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Huge difference between BETO and CRUZ on the same issue.

First off Cruz keeps families together seeking asylum (with exceptions) but also expedites the process of hearings greatly. If the family does not meet the criteria...boom!...they are whisked away to their home country.

I like Cruz's approach because he is honest about it and takes it straight on.

BETO(D), Pearce(R), Swalwell (D)...two Democrats and one Republican were not honest with their title and by providing this loophole.

Cruz's bill is head and shoulders above BETO.

Do you see that?

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09-06-2018 02:14 PM  18 days agoPost 34
tekparasite

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I like Cruz's approach because he is honest about it and takes it straight on.

BETO (D), Pearce(R), Swalwell (D)...two Democrats and one Republican were not honest with their title and by providing this loophole.

Cruz's bill is head and shoulders above BETO.

Do you see that?
You do realize that you are reaching a conclusion hinged on your assessment of 'honesty'. See above. This is where your bias is already kicking in and not looking at this objectively.

Just a month before Cruz introduced this legislation, he did not see a problem with tearing families apart. While you based your opinion on honesty, my skepticism is on high as I've seen him flip for political purposes or could it be he got a soft heart now?

Again, I know more about Cruz than I know about Beto. That can be good and bad. So, let's level the field a bit. Let's research and see if we can find evidence were Beto has switched sides for political purposes.
If we don't find anything that does NOT mean he is honest, it just means that he has very limited track record. And that's my problem at the moment.

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09-06-2018 05:01 PM  18 days agoPost 35
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You do realize that you are reaching a conclusion hinged on your assessment of 'honesty'. See above. This is where your bias is already kicking in and not looking at this objectively.

Just a month before Cruz introduced this legislation, he did not see a problem with tearing families apart. While you based your opinion on honesty, my skepticism is on high as I've seen him flip for political purposes or could it be he got a soft heart now?

Again, I know more about Cruz than I know about Beto. That can be good and bad. So, let's level the field a bit. Let's research and see if we can find evidence were Beto has switched sides for political purposes.
If we don't find anything that does NOT mean he is honest, it just means that he has very limited track record. And that's my problem at the moment.
Dilberstein
You are right he is hispanic. He was one of the half dozen hate Trump posters from the other site before they closed their politics and religion section. He constantly calls out what he thinks is a bias assement, but thinks he is always objective. If you pin him down he changes the subject. Just a little fyi.

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09-07-2018 02:55 AM  18 days agoPost 36
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You are right he is hispanic. He was one of the half dozen hate Trump posters from the other site before they closed their politics and religion section. He constantly calls out what he thinks is a bias assement, but thinks he is always objective. If you pin him down he changes the subject. Just a little fyi.
Wow, thank you for the tip off. I took a stab in the dark about his being Hispanic...Houston is a sanctuary city and is loaded with illegals.

I already knew the background on both BETO and Cruz and knew BETO was a leftist who puts illegals over Americans while Cruz is a good man for Texas and the US.

He was doing exactly what you said...he's a leftist/Democrat pretending otherwise.

I've seen others like him pretending to be neither a Democrat or Republican but ALWAYS slams the right...

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09-07-2018 03:11 AM  18 days agoPost 37
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So, being hispanic dilutes our conversation? Great. So, if I find out you are an old white vet, then I should assume your position or what kind of person you are and somehow think your arguments aren't founded on anything. Tell me what you want to know about me and I'll tell you. I've used the same alias in all platforms for many years unlike other people that change their alias to hide behind a keyboard.
Speaking about honesty, it's nice to put it in writing and never having to worry about what you wrote because everything is consistent.

If you say I am a democrat, okay. Once again, that's not my problem. You don't take anything away from me. I am comfortable being called democrat, republican, libertarian, you name it.

It's unfortunate you can't discuss politics because I'm hispanic,and for those who claim that I change the subject, show me the evidence where I have avoided any subject. I have no issues admitting when someone makes a good point AND I'm glad to let them know.

So, the question is. Are you using that as a cop out?

P.S. For those that say, I'm in the hate Trump group, look for a few posts prior, and see if you'll ever find a never Trumpist say.. "A+ on Talks with North Korea", see if you can find that crowd giving him props on TPP. But oh well.

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09-07-2018 03:54 AM  18 days agoPost 38
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So, being hispanic dilutes our conversation? Great. So, if I find out you are an old white vet, then I should assume your position or what kind of person you are and somehow think your arguments aren't founded on anything. Tell me what you want to know about me and I'll tell you. I've used the same alias in all platforms for many years unlike other people that change their alias to hide behind a keyboard.
Speaking about honesty, it's nice to put it in writing and never having to worry about what you wrote because everything is consistent.

If you say I am a democrat, okay. Once again, that's not my problem. You don't take anything away from me. I am comfortable being called democrat, republican, libertarian, you name it.

It's unfortunate you can't discuss politics because I'm hispanic,and for those who claim that I change the subject, show me the evidence where I have avoided any subject. I have no issues admitting when someone makes a good point AND I'm glad to let them know.

So, the question is. Are you using that as a cop out?

P.S. For those that say, I'm in the hate Trump group, look for a few posts prior, and see if you'll ever find a never Trumpist say.. "A+ on Talks with North Korea", see if you can find that crowd giving him props on TPP. But oh well.
I NEVER implied we couldn't talk because you're Hispanic...I suspected you might be an illegal because of your quickness to jump on BETO bandwagon...and he is in the very heart of the Democrat party.

As far as myself...guess what...I am an old white veteran...Army! I am so old, I was alive when Hitler was raging in Europe...and yes he was white.

But guess what...you're probably white too. I used probably because Hispanic is not exclusive to whites.

Bottom line...you've been outed.

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09-07-2018 04:20 AM  18 days agoPost 39
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I suspected you might be an illegal because of your quickness to jump on BETO bandwagon...and he is in the very heart of the Democrat party.

As far as myself...guess what...I am an old white veteran...Army! I am so old, I was alive when Hitler was raging in Europe...and yes he was white.

But guess what...you're probably white too. I used probably because Hispanic is not exclusive to whites.

Bottom line...you've been outed.
You guessed I was hispanic (which you were right) in the same way I guessed you were an 'old' white vet (which I was right). I honestly didn't want to go that route because it shouldn't matter. Policy should stand on its own regardless who proposes it. Would it be fair to say that given that you are old, your way of thinking doesn't apply anymore in today's society and dismiss everything you have to say?
I don't think so. If anything, challenge me on something I'm not seeing.

You were quick to make assumptions, yet still didn't get everything right. illegal? Please... born and raised in Texas. Beto bandwagon?. Nahhh.. I don't know how many times I have to say, I don't know much about the guy.

I don't know what you mean by "been outed". Did I say something I'm not? Did I pretend to be somebody who I am not?

It's sad that you see everything as black and white. Criticize Cruz must equal support for Beto.

There are plenty of us that haven't forgotten about Libertarian ideals something Ron Paul championed. We don't forget about Deficits and Debt, Maximizing civil liberties, the constitution, the bill of rights, and freedom.

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09-07-2018 04:44 AM  18 days agoPost 40
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It's sad that you see everything as black and white.
You don't know what I see...all you know is what I post. But being I am on the subject of "me"...I am an old redneck Texan from the sticks. I am totally right wing and have no respect for leftist.
I am not a Republican because that party is too liberal for me but I vote right wing because the leftist are bad for this country.
And yes your leftist is showing.
There are only two choices in the voting booth...(R) or (D). A vote for a libertarian takes away a vote for the right.

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