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08-29-2018 09:00 PM  19 days agoPost 1
RM3

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Mark Ryder
For now I am stopping all RR software development. For the past two years my line of credit has supported my and RR's unmet operating expenses. RR's remaining two advertisers are not enough to support even the basic costs of operation let alone a paycheck for me. At its peak in 2008, RR had 104 advertisers which supported a ton of event coverage. No more.

I will be 65 in November. Time for a new career.

On the bright side, I won't be killed by a stray rotor blade to the head while working under the green towel. There have been some close calls.
https://rc.runryder.com/t827375p1/

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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08-31-2018 11:38 AM  18 days agoPost 2
dialarotor

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Thanks for all your hard work and very functional informative platform. We will never know all the countless hours you spent making our hobby more enjoyable. Also thanks to Scorpion for sticking with you to the end.
As stated before, my daily routine will never be the same, morning coffee with overnight updates on RunRyder. FACEBOOK, NEVER.

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08-31-2018 11:41 AM  18 days agoPost 3
chopper37

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Although Mark is stopping to update the site and its at its finial version, does this mean its going away? do we have a date of the site shutting down? no Facebook for me.

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08-31-2018 12:36 PM  18 days agoPost 4
AVI8

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Any chance members can make payments, membership fee, donation, what ever you want to call it to keep one of a kind forum around? I for one ,as I’m sure many here , would. Mark would you consider?

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08-31-2018 04:02 PM  17 days agoPost 5
Mark Ryder

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For now I am stopping all RR software development.
RM3
when does RunRyder officially go dark?
The RC discussion world needs consolidation. RR is now one choice for that. If RR's better mousetrap is not appealing then so be it. Time will tell. There is no official going dark date. I would prefer my investment in RR development go forward and be rewarded with increased traffic from all facets of RC.
AVI8
Any chance members can make payments, membership fee, donation, what ever you want to call it to keep one of a kind forum around? I for one ,as I’m sure many here , would. Mark would you consider?
I appreciate the feedback and kind words. What RR needs is increased traffic.

Mark Ryder

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08-31-2018 05:23 PM  17 days agoPost 6
RM3

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if you want increased traffic... honestly you need to do away with the convoluted design... stick to what people need before they realize they need it... this is how Steve Jobs did it. Then use some sort of feedback mechanism to keep people engaged, this is why FB is popular, BTW the average age of the FB user is 40, very telling... its clean, easy and gives instant gratification for posting pictures and comments...

Honestly I feel like Im looking though a filing cabinet trying to keep up with the posts in the three parent sites, then the shortcuts are all over the place.... the search is cumbersome... its all a mess. It wasnt like this when at its peak.

We are here for RC helicopters... not boats, not cars, nor planes nor trains... there are other sites for that.
we are here cause we need three things,

1)How to repair/diagnose/build something mechanical/electronic
2)Looking for first hand experience with RC helicopter related items
3)A place we can simply communicate about RC helicopters and connect

RR has no incentive to post therefore there is little to no traffic. some posts never get responses... this makes the OP feel rejected or ignored. why would they bother posting in the future. IF I get a response to a post or a PM... unless the web site is open or I check my email... I have no idea.

You gotta look at whats working for others and emulate and improve upon it...

get rid of the ignore feature... I know some like it... but it creates more problems than it solves... use a trusted moderator for that.

gotta create incentive... incentive to click on banner Ads, incentive to post, click, explore... give us a reason to be here, encourage posts, entice clicking on Ads with discounts.

remember when people felt a sense of accomplishment for reaching rank? like Veteran, Elite Veteran?... that was incentive... But whats the value of rank here? nothing.

Ok Im done. I hate to see such a great place go down when others are doing well...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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08-31-2018 05:37 PM  17 days agoPost 7
Mark Ryder

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RM3
We are here for RC helicopters... not boats, not cars, not trains...
Here you go...
https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/home/
RM3
RR has no incentive to post therefore there is little to no traffic.
Don't know how to respond to that.
RM3
You gotta look at whats working for others and emulate and improve upon it...
Where is this RC discussion utopia?
Dan Minick
I have spent the last several years (7 days a week) rewriting the entire RR software stack. It's not making a difference.
Its not your software. This web design is second to none. If you cant make money with this website its the hobby, sell the software and retire

Mark Ryder

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08-31-2018 06:16 PM  17 days agoPost 8
RM3

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Where is this RC discussion utopia?
You Serious? they are not "utopias"... BUT they obviously are doing something better...

Ok...
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/channels.php?id=33

I felt that RR initally had a better layout than HF... but damn the numbers dont lie.

https://www.helifreak.com/

VS

if you are trying to make RR like this:
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/index.php

you then need to provide some sort of incentive to lure people over... look at all the content, the links to a live youtube Channel, Member maps, Calendar, giveaway ads..., contests... dynamic ads, product reviews by trusted members.

you aint got nothing on these guys... you want to compete, you gotta emulate... and you cant do it as a one man show either.

Im telling you the truth from my perspective cause I care about RR.. maybe by proving free Ad space for a few months... you gotta get manufacturers over here along with their reps. but pretending that you did a great job and believing this tripe that your software is gods gift is utter BS cause the reality says different and is not doing you and this website any good. The hobby may be in decline, but that doesnt mean people cant coalesce under the few remaining places on the web and you benefit from it.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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08-31-2018 06:38 PM  17 days agoPost 9
Mark Ryder

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The counts are apples and oranges and are irreverent. Different time frames and a different session engine. It's old software inferior in every way to RR's.

Mark Ryder

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08-31-2018 06:41 PM  17 days agoPost 10
RM3

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The counts are apples and oranges and are irreverent. Different time frames and a different session engine. It's old software inferior in every way to RR's.
those screen shots are within 5 minutes of each other... say what you want... they are kicking our butt over here. when other places still have dozens of advertisers and you got two... you must done something wrong along the way.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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08-31-2018 06:56 PM  17 days agoPost 11
Mark Ryder

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RM3
those screen shots are within 5 minutes of each other...
Understood and they are still different time frames (RR is 30 minutes) and a different session engine.
RM3
say what you want... they are kicking our butt over here. when other places still have dozens of advertisers and you got two... you must done something wrong along the way.
Maybe but it's sure not for a lack trying.

Mark Ryder

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08-31-2018 07:58 PM  17 days agoPost 12
RM3

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RM3
say what you want... they are kicking our butt over here. when other places still have dozens of advertisers and you got two... you must done something wrong along the way.
Maybe but it's sure not for a lack trying.
"If you find yourself in a hole,
stop digging"

--Will Rogers.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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08-31-2018 08:48 PM  17 days agoPost 13
Flyin for Jesus

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Been here a while and I like RR, I also like HF but I fly only part time and really don't have much to say usually.

But my old boss said this several times to me... "If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got."

I am a fan of RR's layout, I find it easy to navigate but I've been here for a long time. If you want to test out how a well done a website is ( just my opinion here ) grab someone that has never used RR, plop them in front of your computer with RR open and see how well they do. If they strugle, then you need to make changes. I have no problems but I can't speak for new people.

Also, like RM3 said, don't be afraid to make some changes... at least stey even with the competition if possible, don't stay behind.

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09-01-2018 12:00 PM  17 days agoPost 14
dialarotor

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RR fan also, HF is pain to use and follow. This RR format is so logical.

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09-01-2018 01:42 PM  17 days agoPost 15
Dan Minick

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RM3
you gotta get manufacturers over here along with their reps.
We all know Mark has a problem with anyone representing a brand posting their 2 cents on this website without paying their 2 dollars. From what I have gathered from many of my rc friends, this drove them away in the first place and no matter how bad other websites flow they will not come back.

Team Synergy, Team FBL Rotors-------if its not broke...it will be!

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09-01-2018 03:00 PM  16 days agoPost 16
Mark Ryder

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RM3
you gotta get manufacturers over here along with their reps.
We all know Mark has a problem with anyone representing a brand posting their 2 cents on this website without paying their 2 dollars. From what I have gathered from many of my rc friends, this drove them away in the first place
Yes but not for their continued use of the RR classifieds. Even the guy at the top (hand in cookie jar) has no shame.
Dan Minick
no matter how bad other websites flow they will not come back.
Cut off your nose to spite your face? Not many have donated as much blood, sweat and tears as I have to promote the hobby. After all, if vendors do well I do well. So in other words, my job is to help sell the stuff being discussed here.

Some RR highlights...
  • Category system to allow Rep/Vendor postings.
  • Classifieds with sold (hidden) category.
  • Classifieds with separate view new.
  • Answer PMs offsite via email reply.
  • Member gallery photos with advanced scripting.
  • Gallery photo viewer integrated into postings.
  • Highly refined search with advanced back end.
  • Hosts its own high end fast response servers.
  • Hosts thousands of HD event coverage videos.
  • Rewrote entire code base with latest technology.
  • No off-topic (annoying) click bait advertising.
The list goes on and on.

Mark Ryder

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09-01-2018 09:40 PM  16 days agoPost 17
Dan Minick

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Cut off your nose to spite your face? Not many have donated as much blood, sweat and tears as I have to promote the hobby. After all, if vendors do well I do well. So in other words, my job is to help sell the stuff being discussed here.
I am not saying anything against you personally. After all I am still here! I like representing a brand but am not invested enough to get pissed off when an owner of a private website wont allow it. But at the same time, the "censorship" has driven many away. In my opinion, even though this is a privately owned website, its a public forum, maybe users should be allowed to post what they want? About the hobby anyways

Team Synergy, Team FBL Rotors-------if its not broke...it will be!

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09-02-2018 04:57 PM  15 days agoPost 18
Mark Ryder

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Dan Minick
the "censorship" has driven many away. In my opinion, even though this is a privately owned website, its a public forum, maybe users should be allowed to post what they want? About the hobby anyways
Six years ago I addressed this introducing the new RR category system. Since then, RR stopped blocking members with marketing messages. The product forums of interest are loaded with Rep postings.

Mark Ryder

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09-02-2018 05:37 PM  15 days agoPost 19
chicken

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RM 3 I appreciate everything that you've done not realizing it. And Mark I sincerely appreciate this site. 1. not a fan of FB, 2. Have checked into searching HF. I'm on board with RR because HF for years has been impossible to sign-up into for me anyway. And there advertisements in between forum comments can be a bit much, whereas here it's easy peezy. I hope the site stays active; and I certainly appreciate everyone.

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09-02-2018 06:02 PM  15 days agoPost 20
RM3

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chicken
And there advertisements in between forum comments can be a bit much, whereas here it's easy peezy.
Yeah it can be distracting... but then again, that’s how it gets money to stay operational without requiring membership fees and still remain competitive as far as Ad space is concerned. There is a balance that must be maintained between distracting ads and the desires of the members to stay clicking around...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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