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08-06-2018 06:27 PM  27 months ago
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YS 120SR
I picked up a used YS 120SR engine that I'm doing a complete rebuild on. All my experience has been with OS engines. I've read on the forum that the YS 120sr works best with 15% & 20% fuel. Is that still the case (not sure why it would change but I thought I'd draw on everyone's experience....)? I also read an earlier post and it sounded like I should start with 3 turns out and go toward lean from there. Did I get that right? Thanks in advance.
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08-06-2018 09:37 PM  27 months ago
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zonker I've read on the forum that the YS 120sr works best with 15% & 20% fuel. Is that still the case (not sure why it would change but I thought I'd draw on everyone's experience....)? I also read an earlier post and it sounded like I should start with 3 clicks out and go toward lean from there.
The 120SR is a vibration monster.
Make sure you never exceed 16,000 RPM; otherwise, bad things happen

The manual is here:
http://www.ysengines.us/manuals/man...ld_us/120sr.pdf

I run my YS 120SR-X on 22% nitro.
The manual says the 120SR is spec'ed to run on 15% to 30%.
I have not heard / read anything about it "works best" at 15% to 20%.
It would be cheaper to run 15% (or 22%) than 30%.
But, I ran my YS 120SR-X on 30% for 2 gal and added a shim (just in case).
I could see heat being a problem at 30%.
But I still run a colder plug, too. Just in case.

There are 3 needles on the 120SR engine
The manual says mid & HS should be 2.5 turns out (say as the 120SR-X and many of the 91).

Set the idle first.
And try to get the idle as lean as possible (1/16 of a turn and then close the throttle a little. Repeat until the engine starts to do the ring-ding-ding and surges. Then enrich the needle 1/16 of a turn and open the throttle a little).
The pinch test is a good indicator that the idle is too rich.

Set the highspeed next.
Sure, 3 turns is OK (NOT 3 CLICKS).
I believe the manual says 2 turns.
But at 3 turns, you wont really be able to buildup any heat.
But, lean the HS needle no more than 2 clicks at a time.
And only adjust the HS needle after you run the engine under a heavy load for at least a 5-count. Then land and adjust.

Then adjust the mid needle.
The mid needle on the YS actually has an affect; whereas, the OS's mid needle didn't do too much.
The OS was more like a 2-needle carb and easier to get it "close enough".
After you get the idle and the HS set, then do a full power climb and then instantly transition to a hover.
Big puff of smoke = too rich. No smoke = too lean
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08-06-2018 10:26 PM  27 months ago
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Thank you for the detailed explanation. I meant 3 turns, sorry I wrote 3 clicks. LOL
ticedoff8 Set the idle first.
And try to get the idle as lean as possible (1/16 of a turn and then close the throttle a little. Repeat until the engine starts to do the ring-ding-ding and surges. Then enrich the needle 1/16 of a turn and open the throttle a little).
The pinch test is a good indicator that the idle is too rich.
So like on an OS the idle needle is the one you adjust with a flat head screw driver? Right? Is that needle you are referring too?
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08-07-2018 03:15 AM  27 months ago
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ticedoff8 Big puff of smoke = too rich. No smoke = too lean
Be careful with this with the YS engines. I found with my 90SR that the engine can be running lean and still put out would you normally think is a "healthy" amount of smoke.
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08-07-2018 06:30 AM  27 months ago
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like on an OS the idle needle is the one you adjust with a flat head screw driver?
Yes.
But unlike the OS (+/- 45* max), the YS idle needle can make multiple turns in or out.
Personally, I start with the factory recommended and then make 1/16 or a turn (about the width of the slot in the needle) and then adjust the carb to match. Keep doing that until you have a nice, lean, idle.
It is almost impossible to hurt a motor with a lean idle.

You need to tune by ear and by the smoke trail.
That's why you start rich and then "find lean".
DO NOT try to tune the HS needle without flying at WOT for a 5-count.
If, during the 1st tuning flight, you are not rich, land right away and open the HS needle by 1/2 a turn.
It has to be rich, so you can find the rich-side of lean.
After you land, lean it by 2 clicks and fly it again. You can hear the engine go from "not happy" to "happy".
You are getting close to the right setting at WOT (wide open throttle).

When you hear "happy", you will also see the heli flying strong and steady with a good smoke trail.
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08-07-2018 01:09 PM  27 months ago
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Heard it's a vibration monster also and that due to it being so large the cylinder wall thickness is thinner than the 91 so can overheat.

By sure to run an Enya #5 plug NOT an os #8.

Adding an extra shim to the head could make it run smoother if you are having vibe issues.
60% of the time, it works every time!
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08-07-2018 05:12 PM  27 months ago
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On the 120SR, the vibration issue is related to the (largely) unbalanced crankshaft, not so-much the combustion.
The counterweight on the big-end is simply machined as it has been done since the beginning of time.
The assumption is that the metal has a certain density and when it is machined to a certain size, it will be the correct counterweight with no further balancing from the factory.
That didn't work out so well for the 1.20cu size.

The 120SR-X (and the 96SR-X) have a crankshaft counterweight that is tested and trimmed on a rotating balancing machine as the 2nd stage of manufacturing.
They add slugs into drilled holes to perfect the crankshaft's balance before final assembly.
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08-08-2018 02:14 AM  27 months ago
zonker

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Does anyone know if the crankshaft for the 120srx will fit in the sr?
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08-08-2018 03:14 AM  27 months ago
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Yes,it will fit.Some arguments are sound and nothing more
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08-16-2018 05:05 AM  26 months ago
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Is anyone running 30% nitro with these engines?
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08-16-2018 04:24 PM  26 months ago
ticedoff8

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zonker Is anyone running 30% nitro with these engines?
I run 22.5% for the YS 120SR-X (no shim / Enya 4) and my YS 96SR-X (Enya 3)
I ran the 120 on 30% for 2 gal, but I added a shim and used the Enya 5 plug
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09-26-2018 04:06 PM  25 months ago
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I've run into 2 issues with this used YS120sr that I rebuilt.

1) I've got air bubbles in the short fuel line from the regulator to the carb. After each time it happens I pull the engine and I look at the usual suspects. On the subsequent test flight the engine runs great for about a 1/4 tank and than the bubbles show up. I can instantly tell because the engine gets really rough and starts to predentonate. I've replaced all the tubing, made sure the filter and check valve where tight. I also replaced the gaskets on the regulator and carb. I even submerged the regulator in water and blew air into the intake and the outtake to see if the regulator is leaking air. It's tight as a drum (I didn't submerge the engine, just the side with the regulator.) I've ordered a new diaphragm and check valve. The diaphragm was new at the rebuild the check valve is the original. So if anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate it.

2) I think the previous owner adjusted the regulator adjustment screw that is set at the factory. I'm not sure if the regulator screw will cause bubble in the line but does anyone know how to properly adjust it?

Thanks...
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09-27-2018 11:08 AM  25 months ago
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What pickup clunk are you using in the tank?60% of the time, it works every time!
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09-27-2018 12:27 PM  25 months ago
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09-28-2018 11:21 AM  25 months ago
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Yep, that's the fella that caused all my problems aswell! I assume you aren't using a header tank either?60% of the time, it works every time!
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09-28-2018 01:39 PM  25 months ago
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Nope, no header tank. So the Lynx clunk is what gave you fits with your YS engine? Did you find a clunk that worked?
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09-28-2018 01:51 PM  25 months ago
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Actually it was an OS105. I now use an OS bubble-less clunk and a header tank. Full uninterrupted fuel flow throughout the flight AND longer flights.60% of the time, it works every time!
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09-28-2018 02:43 PM  25 months ago
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I'll look at new clunk but I think the issue is the regulator. As soon as the engine heats up I get air bubbles in the fuel line to the carb and as soon as that happens the engine starts to pre detonate. All I have to do is a few climb outs and I get air bubbles. The fuel line from the tank to the regulator doesn't have any air bubbles. I only see them after the the fuel has passed through the regulator and once they show up they don't go away even when the heli is idling.
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10-01-2018 10:57 AM  25 months ago
Richardmid1

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Make sure you haven't trapped any of the diaphragm stopping it from sealing.60% of the time, it works every time!
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10-01-2018 02:57 PM  25 months ago
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It turns out the adjustment screw on the regulator was leaking air. So a little silicon on the top of it and the air bubbles are gone.
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