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08-04-2018 04:47 PM  4 months agoPost 1
TMoore

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Here is a letter from industry to the Senate urging the Feds to regulate us into extinction. They want to lump the AMA and all of Model Aviation into one lump sum of action by requiring the FAA to test, regulate and crush the modeling industry with burdensome rules and equipment requirements so that they, the Commercial Drone Alliance(aka Drone Weenies) and all the listed parties in this letter can enjoy unfettered access to the skies above the U.S..

https://www.commercialdronealliance...eal-xb9ch-5km45

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08-04-2018 05:42 PM  4 months agoPost 2
wjvail

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Can someone explain how the commercial drone industry expects to function? What is their picture of the future? I have this image of someone ordering Starbucks coffee beans from Amazon, Amazon Velcroing the item to the bottom of a drone and them sending it out to be delivered. Cool. Except. People like me would see that as more coffee being delivered to the neighbors doorstep and 4+ brushless motors and a big ol' battery being delivered to me.

What does the drone industry have envisioned that requires regulation or exclusion of model aircraft? They seem to be trying to control the airspace below 400'. What will the world look like if they do?

I'm worried the answer might frighten me.

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08-04-2018 07:15 PM  4 months agoPost 3
John Benario

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I know Matt Zuccaro, the president of HAI, which was one of the co-signers of this CDA letter. I sent this email to him. Let’s start actively helping the AMA whenever possible.

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Please forward to Mr. Zuccaro
Dear Mr. Zuccaro.
You may remember me. You interviewed me for a job at Teterboro in 1989 when I was a Robinson flight instructor, thankfully did not offer me a job, but then we met again in Louisiana in the late 90’s when I was flying for Era and you were doing a safety audit for Amerada Hess offshore operations.

I note that you and the HAI are cosignatories to a Commercial Drone Alliance letter to the Senate that asks for the Section 336 carveout for models be eliminated so that the FAA can fully apply all regulations to model activity. As a lifelong modeler I would ask that the HAI reconsider this endorsement. I am hoping that the CDA was not transparent to HAI when asking for support for their nefarious goal. There is nothing to be gained by saddling models that fly at specific RC fields with regulation. As a telling example, the recent incident of the non-modeler hitting a Blackhawk in the NYC area was a rogue drone pilot, not a modeler. Model pilots have coexisted for decades with their responsible flying.

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08-04-2018 07:54 PM  4 months agoPost 4
RM3

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you all are wasting your time... writing letters is like trying to stop a Tank Battalion with a wet noodle.

they have money on their side... lots of it. what do we have? the AMA, Piiifffffffffft... we are up against leviathans of the tech world like Amazon, Walmart, UPS, FEDEx and every high tech law enforcement agency in the country...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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08-04-2018 08:14 PM  4 months agoPost 5
TMoore

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I'm not so sure that letters don't help. I think they can be of particular use but I also think that demonstrations are immensely helpful. Thank you John for writing to Matt. It will help.

Back to demonstrations; the best way that most folks learn is by doing. There simply hasn't been enough demonstrations to the people in power to help them understand what the issues are. They think they know but when you look at the outright lies, obfuscations, subterfuge and dirty tricks being used by the Drone Weenie organizations it's clear that they aren't getting all the facts. When you couple that with sheer ignorance on the part of the likes of Space Cadet Nelson and other Senators it's an uphill battle.

Here's an example of what we are up against: https://www.commerce.senate.gov/pub...to-the-airspace

None of these folks want to include AMA or Section 336. They don't understand what they are doing or why. Matt Z is advocating for technology that isn't able to exist with our current model control systems such as see, sense and avoid which is patently ludicrous given the current state of the tech. Essentially what they want to do is to regulate and control modeling to the point of crushing it. In addition it's clear that Matt Z doesn't want to share with us in the least any airspace or let us have any section of the sky that we currently have been operating in. Furthermore he's advocating that FAA apply a type of or a Part 107 testing methodology to model operations which again, IMHO isn't necessary in the least given AMA's safety record. His advocacy for BLOS operation is troubling given how fragile the GPS/GLONASS can be not to mention using ISM bands for control of RC models.

Earl Lawrence is particularly troubling with regards to transponder tech.

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08-04-2018 10:47 PM  4 months agoPost 6
Ghia

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Why not make all drone pilots without a commercial drone license lose their tech security blankets

Ya wanna fly past los? That cool but ya lose return home.wanna fly stupid high? Cool but ya lose GPS etc.you want all the tech drone goodies? Get commercial drone license!

Make them have the same skin in the game as rc Helios or airplanes.

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08-04-2018 11:28 PM  4 months agoPost 7
Heli_Splatter

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Language in Current FAA Reauthorization Bill -- HR-4.
343.

Special rules for model aircraft
(a)

In general

Notwithstanding any other provision of law relating to the incorporation of unmanned aircraft systems into Federal Aviation Administration plans and policies, including this subtitle, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft, except for—

(1)rules regarding the registration of certain model aircraft pursuant to section 44103; and

(2)rules regarding unmanned aircraft that by design provide advanced flight capabilities enabling active, sustained, and controlled navigation of the aircraft beyond the visual line of sight of the operator, if—

(A) the aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use;

(B)the model aircraft operator is a current member of a community-based organization and whose aircraft is operated in accordance with the organization’s safety rules;

(C)the aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds unless otherwise certified through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program administered by a community-based organization;

(D)the aircraft is operated in a manner that does not interfere with and gives way to any manned aircraft;

(E)the aircraft is not operated over or within the property of a fixed site facility that operates amusement rides available for use by the general public or the property extending 500 lateral feet beyond the perimeter of such facility unless the operation is authorized by the owner of the amusement facility; and

(F)when flown within 5 miles of an airport, the operator of the aircraft provides the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport) with prior notice of the operation (model aircraft operators flying from a permanent location within 5 miles of an airport should establish a mutually agreed upon operating procedure with the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport)).

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08-04-2018 11:36 PM  4 months agoPost 8
TMoore

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Heli_Splatter
Language in Current FAA Reauthorization Bill -- HR-4.
343.

Special rules for model aircraft
(a)

In general

Notwithstanding any other provision of law relating to the incorporation of unmanned aircraft systems into Federal Aviation Administration plans and policies, including this subtitle, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft, except for—

(1)rules regarding the registration of certain model aircraft pursuant to section 44103; and

(2)rules regarding unmanned aircraft that by design provide advanced flight capabilities enabling active, sustained, and controlled navigation of the aircraft beyond the visual line of sight of the operator, if—

(A) the aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use;

(B)the model aircraft operator is a current member of a community-based organization and whose aircraft is operated in accordance with the organization’s safety rules;

(C)the aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds unless otherwise certified through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program administered by a community-based organization;

(D)the aircraft is operated in a manner that does not interfere with and gives way to any manned aircraft;

(E)the aircraft is not operated over or within the property of a fixed site facility that operates amusement rides available for use by the general public or the property extending 500 lateral feet beyond the perimeter of such facility unless the operation is authorized by the owner of the amusement facility; and

(F)when flown within 5 miles of an airport, the operator of the aircraft provides the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport) with prior notice of the operation (model aircraft operators flying from a permanent location within 5 miles of an airport should establish a mutually agreed upon operating procedure with the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport)).
You didn't listen to the video did you?

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08-04-2018 11:53 PM  4 months agoPost 9
JuanRodriguez

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You didn't listen to the video did you?
I was wondering how long it would take before he started posting !!!! Must have been taking a nap before !!!

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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08-04-2018 11:57 PM  4 months agoPost 10
Heli_Splatter

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I just posted the current state of the legislation without comment. I was not trying to be controversial.

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08-05-2018 02:18 AM  4 months agoPost 11
TMoore

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Heli_Splatter
I just posted the current state of the legislation without comment. I was not trying to be controversial.
Thank you for posting that as a reminder for some of those who aren't following along every day with every post. However the video reveals that the FAA has no problem lying to a sitting Senator about the state of drone package delivery in the US and it also reveals the current mindset of several folks representing industry and how they feel about modeling in general. I don't believe I heard a single person on the panel say that they wanted to keep the current proposed legislation in force; Sec 343. Did you hear them say anything to that effect Bill?

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08-06-2018 12:57 AM  4 months agoPost 12
Heli_Splatter

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No.. but I don't think that was the topic.

Be it as it may, HR4 Par.343 is part of the current legislation. There is no denying that. It should make most recreational modelers happy for now.

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08-06-2018 01:06 AM  4 months agoPost 13
TMoore

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No.. but I don't think that was the topic.

Be it as it may, HR4 Par.343 is part of the current legislation. There is no denying that. It should make most recreational modelers happy for now.
Until the next time that the CDA wants to increase their share of the available sky turf or something like this happens:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-45077057

A while back someone tried that with a couple of models but what they found out is that you have to able to see RC models in order to fly them and of course if you have to see them someone can see you. That's how it works you know, LOS and all.

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