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08-12-2018 04:43 PM  26 months ago
TaylorDrain

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Perhaps judging should be done by people from outside the group? AMA people? I agree we are all buddies in this but when you see pages of only select few on the nats it looks as if it’s buddy buddy competition to others, not only myself. This is brought up by many that are interested in competing but don’t.
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08-12-2018 04:44 PM  26 months ago
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It is funny how all of this goes back to my original statement. Put a sportscale division on during IRCHA(friday, saturday)Unique Aircraft Team Pilot & Project Designer: Bavarian Demon Team Pilot
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08-12-2018 04:54 PM  26 months ago
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Evan is definitely on to something. I've competed in sport scale a few times many years ago as a beginner and it was a great way to get introduced in to the competition side of scale. It was a lot of fun and gives you goals to achieve down the road. I have the trophies to prove it
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08-12-2018 06:01 PM  26 months ago
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A few years ago the judges were contestants from f3c and possibly some other sources. This proved to be a disaster and was contested through the proper chanels by a contestant who was then offered the opportunity to run it the way he thought it should be done which he did. He proceeded to select known experienced scale pilots/builders and educated them on the rules and judging. The attendance that next year was the highest its ever been even exceeding all the other f3c classes in total, I know this cuz i was there. The nats was also at the time scheduled a month before ircha and didnt require a week long stay but did require a second trip if you planned on ircha that year. i think the weekday schedule is the bigger reason for the inconsistent attendance, not so much the rules or judges.
I dont think bringing in judges "outside the group" would be an issue so long as they are educated properly on how to judge the contest.
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08-12-2018 06:15 PM  26 months ago
Copter Doctor

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Pages of a select few at the nats is only because its a select few in attendance. This year's national champion was last year's new guy on the block. He was very intimidated by the experienced guys and the nice machines present but with the open arms and friendly encouragement he recieved, he not only competed, he came back again and took home the gold.
I didnt make the nats this year to do my usual picture coverage but i get pics of everyone there in the scale area. For the most part, its the same guys attending and competing though not everyone can do it every year.
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08-12-2018 06:23 PM  26 months ago
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TaylorDrain Perhaps judging should be done by people from outside the group? AMA people? I agree we are all buddies in this but when you see pages of only select few on the nats it looks as if it’s buddy buddy competition to others, not only myself. This is brought up by many that are interested in competing but don’t.
Taylor, I'm not sure where your perception or views regarding "buddy buddy" competition is coming from. I can assure you the qualifications and integrity of the judging has nothing to do with any relationship you may have in this small community.
Perhaps judging should be done by people from outside the group? AMA people?..... Finding qualified individuals that have the time to dedicate as well as endure the heat of sitting in 90 degree plus weather is not an easy task. I agree we are all buddies in this but when you see pages of only select few on the nats it looks as if it’s buddy buddy competition to others, not only myself.This is brought up by many that are interested in competing but don’t.... The select few? What you are seeing ,are the few that are doing their part to keep and grow participation. It's easy to criticize an event that you have not participated in on any level, the challenge is to step up, and show up. Hopefully we will see you at NATS 2019
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08-12-2018 06:51 PM  26 months ago
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From what I have seen from merely watching and monitoring the scale championships, every Nats winner has been someone who started off as a beginner and fought their way to the top thru hard work learning to be better each year.
As for the buddy system, that has been challenged from time to time in every sector of RC helicopters not just scale.
Just my two cents
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08-12-2018 07:46 PM  26 months ago
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Nothing has changed in 30 years, I use to compete back then, I flew against guys who had the name and always took first or secondfunny thing they couldn’t even fly nose in, go figure and it use to piss me off, Granted I was younger, today? All the heavy hitters I know them and are good friends with them even the judges, So now I just sit back predict who’s going to win, cause I don’t have the time to travel or compete or be barthered, and I know I would win one of the spots, A word of advise? Don’t piss off the scale guys one day you may need there help.. just saying..Rich
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08-12-2018 09:28 PM  26 months ago
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Taylor
I got one word for you … NO !!!!!
I am not a competitor in any AMA event except for Toledo expo static scale from time to time .
I am a lover of any scale contest and I am acquainted with many of the contestants that do participate as I come to and talk with most of them each yr . I am quite good friends with Darryl. I go to IRCHA scale most yrs to watch and learn as I have never had enough money or been a calm enough person to do competition flying .
This yr partly due to some people not showing up ,like yourself , Darryl asked if I would help judge the event . I said anything to help you guys , he then gave me the maneuvers book with the rules to study and with the help of head judge Don I managed to be consistent and fair with all contestants in judging an unbiased contest . NO buddy , buddy system here ! It was hard studying the books when I really wanted to be listening and learning and having fun instead . It was hot outside in the heat all day long ,,, then you sit at your comfy computer and try to bury some long ago hatchet into the hobby !
Shame on you ,, get off your complaining butt and come help !!!!

Dad always told me that if you don't participate and help to make change ,,, you are as bad or worse than the thing you are complaining about!
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08-12-2018 09:39 PM  26 months ago
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Evan,

IRCHA Scale is put on by Darrell with the IRCHA guys supporting. Very nice of IRCHA and Darrell. Guess who pays for the trophy's.. and do you know how much it costs to fly IRCHA Scale?.. whew.. just ask.. man o man...

To add a class does not take an ACT of the AMA. it takes an act of SOMEBODY!... sounds like you have the moxy to want help.. thats good.

To me. I took a chance to fly in IRCHA scale BEFORE the nats just to get the feel for it... my first IRCHA contest I took 13th...(I told the judges to just static judge the machine anyway.. I just wanted to go though the steps and fly too) and I was PUMPED to get better. 5 years later and I took 2nd.. using my Sport scale machine. (its not my nicest looking heli but rather.. my best flying.

Back to the nats.
And to add.. I purposely entered and made the drive to the NATS knowing full well the 212 would not fly.. I did not want to tell everybody because I did not want to lay that on the group so close to the event. Also part of my goal was a better static as its the part I was lacking the most. I had questions about the 212 and it was nice having FRIENDS around to help me figure out what was going on.

I wont address the rest of this mess.

IRCHA SCALE is a FREE EVENT
It is PAYED FOR BY DARRELL SPRAYBERRY
It is RUN AND SCORED BY DARRELL SPRAYBERRY
IT IS ORGANISED BY DARRELL SPRAYBERRY
and on and on.....

Thank you to the prize sponsors of the IRCHA EVENT...

Not sure what else to say...

Grim
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08-12-2018 10:03 PM  26 months ago
TaylorDrain

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Larry, Obviously you didn’t follow the rule book. I am always happy to help in any way and have supported many fun fly’s over the many years and will continue to. All you are doing is running your mouth showing your true character. The issue is following the contest rules that are put in place and if they are not followed why make the effort to journey the miles and spend money for nothing? I’ll keep an eye on the next few years to see what happens. Hopefully some positive clear changes.
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08-13-2018 12:03 AM  26 months ago
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CoachE Thank you I have reviewed the form and will be sitting down with some of the leaders in our scale community at the Dalton Scale Challenge in Dalton, GA to get the wording correct for the request.
No problem, glad I could help.
  
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08-13-2018 02:06 AM  26 months ago
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Taylor what is the real reason for this it looks like there is some thing we don't about know about.
Darrell
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08-13-2018 02:30 AM  26 months ago
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Back in the day you had to build and paint your heli and have the documentation of the one your building, that’s how I remember it 25 30 years ago, think he’s a little upset that same guys are winning with already built and painted Helis that they didn’t build, could be wrong but I read between the lines.. PS how come know one posted the up coming dalton event?? Rich
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08-13-2018 02:44 AM  26 months ago
Grimracer

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Somebody won with a PREPAINT helicopter?

Wow.. crap.. Rene had us all fooled with the camo he had pictures of him doing...

Well played... well played...

OR................

Rich.. I have not had the chance to meet you face to face.. BUT. look forward to competing again with you some day.. I know we will some day get the chance to shake hands and play toys.

I always find it surprising how people jump on stuff like this and have NO IDEA of the details of the event.. or talked to the pilots/Builders personally. Lets open the door.. lets learn..

If anybody would like to talk details with me of my machine, the contest, my build.. (er-rebuild..LOL).. IRCHA or the NATS... (cannot speak for others that competed).. PM me for my Phone number.. I am happy to call..

Grim
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08-13-2018 02:48 AM  26 months ago
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Hey mike will be at the dalton event hope your there will be tenting with butch and I believe sandy and others.. Rich
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08-13-2018 05:02 AM  26 months ago
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You know, it's interesting to see a complaint being lodged against what was a destroyed helicopter built back to new condition, yet no research was done by the one complaining to see if the story had any merit. The pictures are worth more than a thousand words because it was a complete wreck that was totally rebuilt into a potentially winning model. I know from first hand experience that rebuilding a wrecked helicopter is way more work than starting from scratch. That was not just a couple of parts needing to be epoxied back on and then things were good as new. Few remember the wreck of my TOW Defender at Helicopter Scale Masters which came back as the Sport Scale static winner a couple of years later at the Nationals. It was double the work as compared to throwing it out and getting a new kit to start over with. There is a big difference between being up front and truthful about the origins of a model that was destroyed and rebuilt, compared to passing off someone else's finished work as your own. Who or what sparked your interest in this as you had no dog in this fight? Are you covering up for somebody else's interest in this? I was there, you were nowhere to be seen so please, do tell. I like to hear a good story now and then.

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08-13-2018 12:42 PM  26 months ago
Grimracer

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Rich,

In the future I hope to come to Dalton.. but for now.. its a no go for me. I have other priorities that I have to get past first.

In the future It would help me personally if it was a contest but thats not a deal breaker for me. The real PIA is the drive.. Most have NO IDEA how difficult that is for me (but getting better)..

No matter.. my issue..

Grim..
Michael J Zaborowski
Futaba USA
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08-13-2018 12:58 PM  26 months ago
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Hi mike I hear ya on the drive, I go straight threw 14 hours it’s a bitch but worth it to see everybody and hangout for a few days..Rich
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08-14-2018 04:44 AM  26 months ago
JayLowe

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Follow the rules as written or change the rules. No 'buts', 'ifs' or 'ands'. Simple. Then there are no questions.Jay Lowe
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