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08-11-2018 02:54 AM  7 days agoPost 41
Grimracer

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Now I fully understand why the attendance for beginning level competitors is so low.

I for one would love to start in the sport scale division. But the challenge of getting off work in the middle of the week is real for most. Especially when considering this is suppose be an entry-intro level to the Competition scale helicopter circuit.
May be more sport scale competitions in areas would help lite a spark. If the static round was Saturday and a one and done flight round Sunday morning. @ Events like Panama City, Joel's event, Mike's event, Dalton I’m sure I have missed some other possible scale events. I know I for one would be definitely down for at least 3 competitions.
The NATS is not to be taken lightly.. well light hearted but not lightly.. if you Win you have WON THE NATS.. regardless of the class you fly. It does take discipline to get in the nats but its the "Chase" that makes it great. Yes.. it also costs money and time but when you start chasing the NATS its a worthy chase. Also.. I have NEVER WON 518 BUT have learned A BUNCH and THAT is the real value to me. IRCHA scale.. nope. never won that ether but its never stopped me from giving it a go.. I started flying IRCHA scale in 2013..

As for other "contests" they are far and few between. Most are funflys and for me personally to travel 20 hours to a fun fly is WAY past my typical funfly distance.. so thats a tough one for me. I am a self proclaimed contest junkie!

The great thing about the current NATS and IRCHA gig is we get TWO contests in the matter of around one week. Value to me!

NO WRONG WAY... but yes.. it take commitment and time.

Thanks for reading!

Grim

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08-12-2018 12:05 AM  6 days agoPost 42
TaylorDrain

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Michael,

The 212 you competed in the 518 with is the one you bought from Stan?

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08-12-2018 01:54 AM  6 days agoPost 43
Grimracer

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yes.. here is the rebuild.. you can see the pics here. not all of them but most.

https://michaelzaborowski.smugmug.com/Bell-212/

Then.. I suspect I know what you are getting at so no need to beat around the bush..

Maybe this helps.. (of course it does)

I AM NOT THE ORIGINAL OWNER of the helicopter. As you might or might not know.. (i have never contested with you) during the introduction of the helicopter to the judges the original owner was disclosed (Known as Stan to me but hell he might have been the 13th owner).. the judges ACCEPTED the amount of work that was done to the machine to bring it to the helicopter it is today. I would have ACCEPTED ANY DECISION from the judges regrading ownership.. I would not have liked it but I would have ACCEPTED IT!..

Does this answer your question?

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08-12-2018 02:47 AM  6 days agoPost 44
TaylorDrain

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What's the point of having a contest if the rules are not followed?

AMA 518 "The contestant must be the original owner and the one who prepared the helicopter for flight, regardless of the scope of the work required to finish the helicopter."

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08-12-2018 03:02 AM  6 days agoPost 45
Grimracer

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because.. we can all HAVE FUN AND LEARN..

IF.. the judges would have booted my machine AGAIN.. READ THIS.. I would have accepted there call.. they did not..

Not sure why you are picking at this because I have never seen you at a contest.. and truth is i could give two nuggets less..

I have to ask.. whats your dig man... why the challenge.. somebody piss on your corn flakes long ago or what..

I dont get it..... come and play contest and THEN we can talk this though face to face... until then its all PC BS...

Grimout!

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08-12-2018 04:09 AM  6 days agoPost 46
TaylorDrain

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You sure like to run your mouth. Man up and build a decent machine from scratch rather than not following the rules and re doing someone else’s work. Follow the rules that were set in place, it’s that simple.

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08-12-2018 04:56 AM  6 days agoPost 47
marc28

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TaylorDrain
Man up and build a decent machine from scratch rather than not following the rules and re doing someone else’s work.
I've seen this helicopter before and after the rebuild. The extensive amount of work that went into it was actually more work then if it were a new kit. The effort should be commended. It was worthy of a first place static score

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08-12-2018 05:16 AM  6 days agoPost 48
Copter Doctor

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Agreed. The work that went into this build was incredible. Maybe the "original owner" part of the rules need to be revised, after all, should one be unable to use a machine that all this work was put into be restricted from a contest simply because it wasnt bought brand new from the store? If the event director/cd and judges had no problem with it then really, that part of the rules should be revised.

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08-12-2018 08:10 AM  6 days agoPost 49
CoachE

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And this brings me back to my original point. There needs to be a change. One to make things(levels) clear and definitave. Two if we want to grow our hobby, we need to make things easier for the general public to be involved.

Now who do I make my formal requests to???

BD Team Pilot / Get !T - Got !T - Perfect !T

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08-12-2018 08:25 AM  6 days agoPost 50
Ace Dude

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Now who do I make my formal requests to???
Here you go:

https://www.modelaircraft.org/compe.../rule-proposals

  

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08-12-2018 09:06 AM  6 days agoPost 51
CoachE

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Thank you I have reviewed the form and will be sitting down with some of the leaders in our scale community at the Dalton Scale Challenge in Dalton, GA to get the wording correct for the request.

BD Team Pilot / Get !T - Got !T - Perfect !T

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08-12-2018 11:28 AM  6 days agoPost 52
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West Coast drama.........

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08-12-2018 01:36 PM  6 days agoPost 53
Grimracer

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You sure like to run your mouth. Man up and build a decent machine from scratch rather than not following the rules and re doing someone else’s work. Follow the rules that were set in place, it’s that simple.
I do not have the skills or time to "SCRATCH BUILD" a helicopter.. or.. maybe thats not what you meant.. I can not follow your lead..

Sorry..

Not sure what your agenda is but thats to bad.. the scale community is WAY to small to have a pissing match over an event you were not at.

END!

Grim

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08-12-2018 03:52 PM  6 days agoPost 54
lt1pwr

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What strikes me as strange is if the contest director and the judges allowed Grim to participate in 518 and no registered pilots disputed it, then what's the problem? If the rules need to be changed, this is hardly the way to go about it. I've been attending scale events since 2001 and I've met many life long friends and people that are willing to give you the shirt off their back. Hell they even get more satisfaction helping others in need than flying their own helis. I've seen it time and time again. They even open up their homes to work on others helis too. To read that kind of nasty criticism is completely uncalled for. If things need to change at the contest level, go through the proper channels and let's continue to enjoy this hobby together.

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08-12-2018 03:56 PM  6 days agoPost 55
doorman

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Not In It!!!
If you aren't in the event, then you have nothing to protest...
It is up to the judges and CD to insure the work that was done makes you the owner of the model.. and in this case, Grim disclosed everything, in full to them... in this case the model was a total rebuild, from the ground up..the only thing that wasn't new was the center section of the fuselage (that still took a lot of work and new materials).. in my book, that makes him the original owner of the machine that was presented to the judges...
No reason for any of this BS, so if there is a problem, report it to the AMA and protest it if you like...
This is a very small community, that is trying to grow it's numbers and postings like this just help to hold people back from trying to enter..
I agree that there might be some "wording" changes required so that the peanut gallery doesn't have anything to bitch about, even though they don't compete...
NUFF SAID..... STAN

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08-12-2018 03:56 PM  6 days agoPost 56
TaylorDrain

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Why would I go to or participate in a event where the rules are not followed? Every time someone doesn't like the rules they need to be changed? I would expect a national event to be difficult and challenging for everyone.

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08-12-2018 04:02 PM  6 days agoPost 57
doorman

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So Don't
If you don't like the way it is run, then step up and help make the changes, as you see fit, or just don't bother and throw stones at those that actually care and do the work needed to compete..

Stan

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08-12-2018 04:12 PM  6 days agoPost 58
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So if I’m buddy buddy with everyone the rules can slide? Ever conside this is why there is such a low attendance for the last several years? If you start a new decent kit and have to cut out windowns and install all wood work that is a major part of a build. There was clearly a new fuse in the build pictures, why not start fresh like everyone else?

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08-12-2018 04:14 PM  6 days agoPost 59
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I dont think the rules should be changed simply because someone "doesnt like them" but if it creates a " barrier" that keeps potential participants away then i think it should be revised. No one wants to see the numbers go down and the event dissapear. Sometimes when rules are written, you dont see bugs in them til they are tried a few times. Grim's machine i am sure isnt the first of its kind and i hope it isnt the last. I for one enjoy a good build and re-build. Both tell wonderful stories.
I think Grim should be given a high five for disclosing to the judges the origin of the machine.

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08-12-2018 04:24 PM  6 days agoPost 60
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To ask if being buddy buddy with everyone makes it ok to change rules is unfair. It has nothing to do with that. Several years ago the 518 rules and maneuvers were changed to make it easier for those who may have thought they were above their skill level. Also everyone in the scale community becomes buddies from what ive seen, no one seems to be a stranger these days. Its all about welcoming participation and having a good time.

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