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07-12-2018 03:11 AM  3 years ago
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LimeyMike

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Camper fuel question again.....
Hi Guys.. I was wondering.. Can you run-in a 2-Stroke engine (34cc that I built) using Camper fuel.. Because If I use gasoline first then I can't keep the truck inside my house because of the smell....
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07-12-2018 04:43 AM  3 years ago
Jerry K

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Yes, it runs just fine and as you know it doesn't stink. The BTU content is slightly lower but you will never notice the difference. Here in the states we have a different reason to run it with the junk they put in our fuel that attracts moisture fouling up everything.
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07-12-2018 11:35 AM  3 years ago
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I have run it for many years in Zenoah RC engines. On a test stand, it made slightly more power than 89 octane pump gas.Tom
CAUTION - my posts are based on my experiences, yours may be different.
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08-22-2018 06:13 PM  3 years ago
Grimracer

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The real key is the low Octane.. (70) in a two stroke engine like yours lower octane is better. The flame is done propagating by the time the exhaust port opens. (this is good!).. besides.. once the port opens the flame makes no more power.

The largest advantage is NO ALCOHOL..YES!.. so..

You get a engine thats easier to tune.. runs cooler and does not need the diaphragm replaced year after year..

Huge win!

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08-24-2018 01:10 AM  3 years ago
LimeyMike

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Great. Thanks for your help guys camper fuel it is. I'll use the mix 25:1 to the fuel. However, the camper fuel is in (2) 1 gallon metal containers.. Can I store the fuel in plastic containers instead, as I want to store the fuel in just half gallon containers instead.. Oh, the piston that I fitted to my new engine is this one, and since the engine will rev higher.. I had to install a anti-oil seal blowout disk.. It goes between the crank bearing and the oil seal (Clutch side)....

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08-24-2018 01:54 AM  3 years ago
BeltFedBrowning

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I have had great luck with 37to1 ratio with my Stihl oil for the last 10 years. I have always stored my Coleman in a plastic one gallon gas jug. I throw a 3/8 nut in the jug to help agitate as I shake it up.
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08-24-2018 02:00 PM  3 years ago
LimeyMike

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BeltFedBrowning I have had great luck with 37to1 ratio with my Stihl oil for the last 10 years. I have always stored my Coleman in a plastic one gallon gas jug. I throw a 3/8 nut in the jug to help agitate as I shake it up.
So you throw in a nut eh?? that's funny.. Anyway for 37:1 ratio.. How much oil is that (oz)..
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08-24-2018 02:08 PM  3 years ago
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08-24-2018 05:18 PM  3 years ago
BeltFedBrowning

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3.5 ounces per gallon. Stihl synthetic 2 stroke oil. I use the Stihl because it is easy to find. Every farm store has it.
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08-24-2018 11:23 PM  3 years ago
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“Give a man a fish and you’ll feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you’ll feed him for a lifetime”....Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....
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08-25-2018 09:01 AM  3 years ago
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I'll begin by saying I've never used Coleman's in a model helicopter. But, I have used it in various model gas engines. Many (most) of the engines flew fine on Camp Fuel. The octane rating of Coleman's is very low (50-55) so if the engine has a somewhat higher compression ratio, detonation is possible. Increased vibration and added heat are possible along with possible mechanical damage. From the input you've received from others, it appears our helicopter engines will tolerate the lower octane rating fine.

You have landed on one of the best reasons to use Coleman's. That is, it smells less than pump gas. A very good reason to be sure; however, I personally moved away from it because I had an engine or two that didn't care for it and it made fuel that otherwise costs $3.00 a gallon $18.00/gal.

A little background: I personally only have one blend of gasoline premix in my garage and I use it for everything from my 4-stroke Stihl string-line-trimmer to my 63cc backpack leaf blower to any number of about 10 different yard tools. I also use it in my Roto, 3W and DA engines. Because the fuel is universal, I use 93 octane gas with no ethanol and 40:1 using Redline Racing Oil. Many of the engines see no benefit from the higher octane but neither are they harmed. The engines I own that require higher octane are happier and I only have to have one fuel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleman_fuel

https://www.amazon.com/Red-Line-2-S...ne+2+stroke+oil
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08-25-2018 09:16 AM  3 years ago
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Since when do gassers stink? Ive got 10 or so gassers in my small hobby room, not a single smell at all.Lets Fly!
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08-25-2018 09:23 AM  3 years ago
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eeeeky Since when do gassers stink? Ive got 10 or so gassers in my small hobby room, not a single smell at all.
Dono. Some people think they do. I also keep my gas airplanes in the house and no one notices any odor and believe me, if they smelled, my wife would notice and let me know- ASAP. Anyway, some people may run/store their models differently and Coleman's does smell a lot less.
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08-25-2018 10:46 AM  3 years ago
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wjvail
eeeeky Since when do gassers stink? Ive got 10 or so gassers in my small hobby room, not a single smell at all.
Dono. Some people think they do. I also keep my gas airplanes in the house and no one notices any odor and believe me, if they smelled my wife would notice and let me know ASAP. Anyway, some people may run/store their models differently and Coleman's does smell a lot less.
Yeah i dont get it. Honestly the turbines stink more than gassers, and even that isnt bad. Ive also got big gasser airplanes in the same room. Sounds like some guys need to figure out how keep their machines from leaking, they do stink when that happens, but build em right and they wont.
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08-25-2018 02:04 PM  3 years ago
LimeyMike

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eeeeky Since when do gassers stink? Ive got 10 or so gassers in my small hobby room, not a single smell at all.
I once got a old gasser buggy in a trade and the smell from it was horrible (Was making me sick), and stunk the whole house out, so my wife told me to get rid if it which I did (I traded it back to another guy), so Coleman fuel for me is the way to go (After what some of the guys say here), and the oil I'll use will be Klotz (KL-100) Engine Lubricant
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08-25-2018 02:12 PM  3 years ago
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I personally don't care about the smell. I am a professional mechanic, so I can't even smell it anyway. The gasoline in the midwest contains so much ethanol that it ruins the carburetor. If you store your weedeater or chainsaw over the winter without using it, it will destroy the carb. I have seen it pit the aluminum. I even use Coleman in my chainsaws. They are not stored in the house, but I have had no problems with the carbs since switching to coleman.
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08-25-2018 02:14 PM  3 years ago
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When it’s just sitting there it doesn’t stink. Start working on the fuel system and it does. Drip some fuel on the frame or carb or something while fueling and it does. If the helis lived and were worked on in the garage then it would be fine. They don’t. Plus I invariably get a little bit on my hands every time I fuel.

Gas smells bad. It’s roughly $3 a gallon for gas ($4.50 for gas without ethanol that I run in all of my outdoor equipment) or $7.70 for camper fuel. If I couldn’t afford $8 for a few hours of flying then I’m in the wrong hobby. If you’re paying $18 for camper fuel you should go to Walmart, you are getting ripped off. The key is to buy a bunch in the spring and early summer, they generally don’t have it in the fall and winter then restock again when it warms up, at least here in NH that seems to be the case.
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08-25-2018 02:17 PM  3 years ago
LimeyMike

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Eury When it’s just sitting there it doesn’t stink. Start working on the fuel system and it does. Drip some fuel on the frame or carb or something while fueling and it does. If the helis lived and were worked on in the garage then it would be fine. They don’t. Plus I invariably get a little bit on my hands every time I fuel.

Gas smells bad. It’s roughly $3 a gallon for gas ($4.50 for gas without ethanol that I run in all of my outdoor equipment) or $7.70 for camper fuel. If I couldn’t afford $8 for a few hours of flying then I’m in the wrong hobby. If you’re paying $18 for camper fuel you should go to Walmart, you are getting ripped off. The key is to buy a bunch in the spring and early summer, they generally don’t have it in the fall and winter then restock again when it warms up, at least here in NH that seems to be the case.
Where can I get coleman fuel for just $7.70 from.. Because your right... Walmart rips you off (I found out the hard way)....
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08-25-2018 02:21 PM  3 years ago
BeltFedBrowning

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I went camping and kayaking in south Missouri and I found an old hardware store with a shelf of Coleman for $4 a gallon.
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08-25-2018 02:23 PM  3 years ago
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BeltFedBrowning I went camping and kayaking in south Missouri and I found an old hardware store with a shelf of Coleman for $4 a gallon.
Ok, so I'll get a cheaper price then from a camping store..
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