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07-08-2018 06:05 AM  10 days agoPost 1
antja

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first time I have been here for weeks ,used to be on RR every day but can't make any sense of the new format, so have moved on to other sites

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07-08-2018 01:50 PM  9 days agoPost 2
Mark Ryder

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The helicopter (site) forums remain the same minus off topics and multi-rotors. Bookmark the heli site: https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/home/
Clicking the top centered page information banner provides (go up) navigation. This is a link that sends up the page hierarchical tree ending at the RR home page.
Also consider the Scale site on the new home page. This is all a work in progress.

Mark Ryder

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07-08-2018 10:25 PM  9 days agoPost 3
antja

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new format
when the page opens up and I click on main discussion nothing happens I get a list of options none of which are for main discussion.after being here for 11 years I find that I can't find anything . why change something that was working.

Tony.

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07-08-2018 11:35 PM  9 days agoPost 4
wjvail

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antja
why change something that was working.
I would reevaluate this assumption. While I understand your assertion that we liked RunRyder the way it was, and it appeared to have served its purpose very well since it inception in 2001, I don't know it was inclusive enough to survive without growth.

William S. Burroughs: “When you stop growing you start dying.”

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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07-08-2018 11:59 PM  9 days agoPost 5
Heli_Splatter

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It grows on you. Mark did it to expand the topics on RR. Just get into the heli section and you will feel like you are home.

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07-09-2018 12:34 AM  9 days agoPost 6
Mark Ryder

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antja
new format
when the page opens up and I click on main discussion nothing happens I get a list of options none of which are for main discussion.after being here for 11 years I find that I can't find anything . why change something that was working.

Tony.
With the new layout helicopters are underneath aircraft.

https://rc.runryder.com/site/home/
https://rc.runryder.com/aircraft/home/
https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/home/ (bookmark)

Helicopters is exactly the same as you have seen for 11 years.

There are now more Main Discussions one for each aspect of RC.
why change something that was working
There is no choice but to expand or die. RR is serious business and has to move forward.

Mark Ryder

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07-12-2018 05:15 AM  6 days agoPost 7
dkshema

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You fly RC helicopeters, not an easy task to learn.

A few new mouse clicks, or even saving a bookmark or two is not a formidable task.

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Dave

* Making the World Better -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Team Heliproz

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07-13-2018 06:58 PM  4 days agoPost 8
utahbob

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It took me awile..but I get it now..I always tell people "if I can learn to fly helicopters..anybody can.."you can do this"..

I do a great decending funnel!

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07-13-2018 08:46 PM  4 days agoPost 9
RM3

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you shouldn't have to learn how to use a leisure website. I Honestly understand adding additional topics for the sake of growth. but the traffic they see is not worth the complexity that new users want to deal with. Growth is about new users committing to the web site, If they cant find what they are looking for within the first few seconds, (yeah thats the research) they go elsewhere.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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07-18-2018 02:32 AM  5 hours agoPost 10
wjvail

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RM3
You shouldn't have to learn how to use a leisure website.... If they cant find what they are looking for within the first few seconds, (yeah that's the research). they go elsewhere.
I'm kinda conflicted here. I see your point and I agree with it - to an extent. I get it - make it easy and they will come...

But I've never really bought into this "No child left behind" theory. I'm more of a: "Life's hard but it's harder if you're stupid." "The world needs ditch diggers too." "You think Einstein walked around thinkin' everyone's a bunch of dumb****s?"

To the point... not everyone was meant to be in this hobby. Despite what many were taught in the 6th grade, not everyone is destine for success at everything they try. If someone finds untangling a website a particularly arduous chore, maybe there are other hobbies better suited to their aptitudes.

Watch at YouTube

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07-18-2018 03:30 AM  4 hours agoPost 11
RM3

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wjvail
If someone finds untangling a website a particularly arduous chore, maybe there are other hobbies better suited to their aptitudes.
And that attitude is why websites nowadays fail and why Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are modern day geniuses that lead to them being icons of the modern age as well as multi-billionaires... they realized that by making things easier, intuitive, and unambiguous you could give people what they wanted before they even knew they did. If you cater only to those that need to put in effort to get a reward then you'll struggle to bring in those that may choose to go elsewhere to sites that they feel more familiar with. This game is about numbers, the more people hook into a website, the more traffic it gets and the longer they stay the more likely they are to click on a banner ad that is along the same interest as the host website which in turn benefits the the source website (ad revenue) and the hobby as a whole.

Design a site that is unwelcoming, confusing or convoluted to the newcomer and you lose the game in the long run. This all is a delicate balance, we as website developers (Im a software developer and .NET guy) have to strike a balance between user experience and website effectiveness... we have to design a website that can alter its function and appearance to accommodate not only large screens, but also smaller screens such as tablets and tiny screens such as phones, not to mention the royal PITA of dealing with 5 different web browsers and their associated operating systems.

In the end you gotta give the people what they want without alienating the potential newcomer nor the veteran user.... not an easy task. But to simply write off the response of a hand-full of visitors as simply ignorant or lazy is to ignore what could be a potentially bigger problem.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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