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06-16-2018 07:53 AM  37 days agoPost 1
dilberteinstein

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Trump approached Europe about paying their share of NATO costs. They have refused up to this point.

The NATO summit is this July.

I don't believe NATO can be salvaged.

It appears talking with the other nations has yielded nothing.

It is time to act...and I think the only thing to do is leave NATO completely.

Europe can build their own military. NATO members can disband it or raise taxes to support it completely.

NATO members will never pay their share as long as the US provides the defense for them.

Next...defund the UN completely.

Hey, we can be hated for free...we don't have to pay to be hated.

90% of life is "showing up"

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06-16-2018 08:34 PM  36 days agoPost 2
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dilberteinstein
Hey, we can be hated for free...we don't have to pay to be hated.
yup Agree 100%

and as soon as the free money tap is closed they will come back crying, guaranteed.... thats when you make the deals

remember the (other) "golden" rule.

He who has the Gold makes the rules.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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06-17-2018 03:29 PM  35 days agoPost 3
GyroFreak

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And when the UN pulls out, turn the UN building into a Trump Tower #2. Much more useful and would be paying it's own way.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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06-17-2018 03:38 PM  35 days agoPost 4
dilberteinstein

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It boils down to the fact Europe wants the US to continue to pay for Europe's defense. The US does see the need to continue to do that.

After WWII it made sense for the US to take that role because of the USSR threat and Europe was not capable of caring for themselves.

We did the right thing then.

But now Europe has the capability to build defenses at their own expense.

I don't believe Europe will build their defenses because of the money required to do it which means they will be greatly weakened.

But the US will be an "enabler" if we continue to do so. Instead we need to cut the string...there's no other way...because Europe will not change.

90% of life is "showing up"

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06-17-2018 03:40 PM  35 days agoPost 5
dilberteinstein

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GyroFreak
And when the UN pulls out, turn the UN building into a Trump Tower #2. Much more useful and would be paying it's own way.
That actually add value to an anti-value building.

90% of life is "showing up"

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06-18-2018 02:25 PM  35 days agoPost 6
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we GIVE them free money, we spend billions protecting them (after we freed or defeated them), we rebuilt half of the continent and they continuously stab us in the back. I mean, what's wrong with this scenario???

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06-18-2018 07:01 PM  34 days agoPost 7
sjgusmc21

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I have always been a supporter of NATO. But this isn't the Cold War era...and they are more then capable of forming their own defensive force to fight off the Bear. Quit importing problems, and focus on your own. I agree....pull our forces or START paying for our defenses. I am not an isolationist, but something has to give and it should not be our military or our tax dollars.

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06-21-2018 04:53 AM  32 days agoPost 8
dilberteinstein

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I am not an isolationist, but something has to give and it should not be our military or our tax dollars.
I totally agree. Isolation leads to wars like WWII. While it is helpful for world peace to maintain US bases all over the world, it is not helpful for the US to pay for most of it.

Look at Canada. They are a large country, but don't have a large military budget because they piggy back on our defenses. There is nothing we can do about that. But Europe is a different matter.

I do not believe Europe will tax their people enough to build a huge defense and will be greatly weakened by our leaving, but that is their choice.

First NATO...then the UN...

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