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05-27-2018 04:49 PM  4 months agoPost 1
RM3

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So my AC starts short cycling last week... go check the outside unit and the fan isnt running, sure enough the run cap is bad (its a dual run cap)... so look everywhere and no one in town has the one I need, order one 2 day and install ( I also order an new contactor and control unit, just in case).
Unit works good for a week. now the F$%king thing starts short cycling AGAIN, this time the the low pressure switch it kicking in and shutting the unit down... So I call one place and the tech asks me what its doing, I tell him what I did, and he proceeds to warn me that its double rates on weekends. So I say "well I'll Just wait till Tuesday then".
Last Night the temps climbed to 85F indoors... I have a 1 year old, a teenager and office dwelling wife, suffice to say they were more irritated than a Hillary supporter at a Trump rally. So I call back the same place and expect a call back... nothing. So call another place, get a call back in 5 minutes and the tech will show in 3 hours... now thats service.

The most irritating part is the requirements to get license for handling refrigerant. If its your home, and your doing the work, you should not need a license to get the refrigerant. You dont need one for automotive anymore (you can buy the stuff at any autoparts place to include Walmart) the same should be the case for homeowners doing work on their own home. If your doing it as a business, fine but not for homeowners, JMO.

Not beating on you AC repair guys, but if I can do the work myself, I should be able to given the circumstances on my own home, just as we do with our own automobiles.

Sometimes I wonder if buying a home with strategically placed individual window units makes more sense... I hate being dependent on others to fix stuff.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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05-27-2018 05:46 PM  4 months agoPost 2
Pistol Pete

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RM3
Sometimes I wonder if buying a home with strategically placed individual window units makes more sense
...and a few trees for shading.

Funny thing I also had to troubleshoot my less than 3 year "new" R410A gas operated A/C beggining of May. Parts warranty? Only one year.

The furnace ECM "DC" motor stopped working. All else is fine. All windings are ok but the bottom bell cover has the built in electronic such as the bridge rectifier and a speed controller...yup...a whooping 3 speed, 1/2 hp demon. Can't troubleshoot down to componennt level due to it being epoxy sealed.

I find out that these are breaking down due to power surges as it has no protection other than a cheesy varistor like you find in cheap surge power strips. No doubt FET are a gone as well. Other frustrated home owners are replacing with an AC motor. Yes, it kills the SEER rating but no clue at the long term cost difference.

Maybe a NEU or Xnova motor and a kontronic esc will last longer.
No, no scorpion as I dont want to replace bearings.

My old AC lasted 27 years with its AC furnace motor and its easily and inexpesibly replaceable relay and/or starting capacitor ($50 DIY). Compressor outside only saw a motor, a capacitor and a contactor in that life span ($150 worth DIY). Also thanks to corrosionx for all the incompatible metals in there.

So...
the pros shops average quote was about 700, a new motor 400 and the built in electronics motor bell was 150 and my free time.

Added a $35 pheudo insurance
https://www.amazon.com/Zebra-Instru...V/dp/B009AX6MLY

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05-27-2018 05:57 PM  4 months agoPost 3
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nothing built to last anymore... everything is built for the purpose of being serviced soon after buying.... keep the money rolling in. Same with cars... built to be thrown away within one year of being paid off forcing a new buy. Cant buy software anymore... everything is going SAS (Software as A Service)... windows 10. even the highly over rated Teslas are SAS... no SAS and you cant recharge.

they got us on a treadmill with everything

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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05-27-2018 06:10 PM  4 months agoPost 4
Pistol Pete

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You would think that the AC company would have been up front (if they knew then) and try to sell me that ECM surge protector as an added item even at double the cost I would have probably said yes at time of installation knowing how brutal thunderstorm are here in Tampa Bay.

On the other hand it may defeat the $700 service call. That's a $300 profit for an hour worth of time IF motor cost them 400.

Who knows, they may even replace with a refurbished motor that cost them 150 to replace bell like I did, so thats $550 profit. Hmmm, I need an AC license.

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05-28-2018 11:24 PM  4 months agoPost 5
tadawson

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For what it's worth, I got EPA certs that allow me to purchase whatever I need online in a few hours . . . you might want to recheck . . . (or the rules changed . . . all I know is I have drums of R12, R22, and R134 in stock . . .).

Friends don't let friends become electrotarded . . . .

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05-29-2018 03:19 PM  4 months agoPost 6
TIMMMYY

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Home Depot sell AC refrigerant in 20 oz bottles for $34.00 https://www.homedepot.com/s/ac%2520fefrigerant?NCNI-5

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05-29-2018 04:20 PM  4 months agoPost 7
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Using those kind of kits is a great way to kill a system. If you don't have the ability to monitor pressures (both high and low) and some basic AC knowledge, you may well do more harm than good. But yes, to your point, R134 is available darn near anywhere, including auto parts stores . . .

Oh, and the guy who was griping was looking at refrigerant for his *home*, not car, and that's not the same stuff . . . and *DOES* require EPA creds to purchase.

Friends don't let friends become electrotarded . . . .

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05-29-2018 11:06 PM  4 months agoPost 8
Pistol Pete

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Oh, and the guy who was griping...
He may b¡tch, moan and complain but NEVER gripes.

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05-29-2018 11:34 PM  4 months agoPost 9
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Would "lamenting" be OK?

Friends don't let friends become electrotarded . . . .

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