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06-09-2018 08:40 AM  4 months agoPost 21
datidun

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I have not heard of any problems with this new 700 out in the UK, not even if its Googled, where is all this info coming from

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06-11-2018 05:18 PM  4 months agoPost 22
ticedoff8

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Hopefully, this HF link works for you

In this HF thread, on page 5, 1/2 way down, there are pictures of a burned up idler gear and damage to the frame.

And, there is supposed to be a "free" upgrade to the idler gear

Plus, you need to lube it regularly.
"Regularly" as in before the first flight of every new flying session.

I fly my Trex 700N with the slant-tooth main gear for hundreds of flights and never once "lubed" the main gear. Not even Dry-Lube.

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06-13-2018 07:26 PM  4 months agoPost 23
Richardmid1

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ticedoff8
And, there is supposed to be a "free" upgrade to the idler gear

Plus, you need to lube it regularly.
"Regularly" as in before the first flight of every new flying session.
SAB's 'upgraded' metal main gear also needs regular lubrication!

Belt drives are very inefficient and it shows in the flight times on the Goblins, I know, I've owned one.

There are lots and lots of 700XN's out there now and only 1 failure, and it could have been pilot error.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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06-19-2018 09:04 AM  4 months agoPost 24
ticedoff8

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SAB's 'upgraded' metal main gear also needs regular lubrication!

Belt drives are very inefficient and it shows in the flight times on the Goblins, I know, I've owned one.

There are lots and lots of 700XN's out there now and only 1 failure, and it could have been pilot error.
Interesting.
So, only one failure? And that prompted Align to issue a new idler gear and a recommendation for regular lubrication?

I still own one.
My G700BN gets about 8 min on a tank that is smaller than my old T700N with the same YS 96SR-X.

And, I've never burned up the slant gear main on my T700N or any of the belts on my G700BN.

What is this "SAB's 'upgraded' metal main gear"?
I guess I need one of them.

Personally, I prefer a Goblin 600N

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06-19-2018 01:28 PM  4 months agoPost 25
Richardmid1

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So, only one failure? And that prompted Align to issue a new idler gear and a recommendation for regular lubrication?
Yep, pretty decent of them right! They are always listening to customers and bringing out upgrades and better kits as a result.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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06-19-2018 06:02 PM  4 months agoPost 26
wjvail

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This is a post I've been putting off....

ticedoff... It is clear you don't like the new Align helicopters. That is certainly your prerogative. I have no affiliation with Align or the importer, Enterprise Hobby. I have no stake in what you buy. Love or hate the 700/600XN- I don't care.

However, I gather you don't own one and I'm beginning to wonder if you have ever even seen one. I'm certain you haven't experienced a gear train failure. While I don't care if you buy a 700/600XN, I'm getting pretty tired of your bad-mouthing and bashing a model product you have no experience with. Buy one or don't- I could care less but stop fabricating perceived failures.

I feel the need to follow your largely incorrect posts with my personal experiences. As I said, you are entitled to your opinion about Aligns solution to the CG problem of Direct to Swash glow helicopters. We get it. You don't like the gears.

Where I take exception is when you post to the larger helicopter community that these kits are failing rapidly and successive upgraded versions are imminent. I suggest you search the forums for the sea of failures you suggest. Google "700XN gearbox failure" and see what you find. There is shocking little to read.

Yes, as you posted, someone uploaded some pictures to Facebook of a failed gearbox. I have those pictures. It was a first generation gearbox and to the best of my knowledge the only "known" example of a failure. I put known in quotes because while there are pictures, I don't know what the idiot did to get to that point. Mine might fail tomorrow and if they do, I'll share that information. To date my 700XN has 7 hours, 51 flights, 8 gallons of fuel through it. As of this writing my helicopter has been flawless.

Going on, to Aligns credit they immediately addressed the "issue" (if there was one). Shortly after receiving my kit Enterprise Hobby called me at home to mail me a replacement gearbox. Don't say "And, there is supposed to be a "free" upgrade to the idler gear" There IS a free upgrade. You've been told there is a free upgrade. It was mailed to me "free" to include postage. There is no longer a "Free Upgrade" because only the first shipment of kits had the G1 gearbox. Modelers can buy a 700XN kit and expect to receive a G2 gearbox and, as I said, I don't know of any failures of this unit.

I really don't care what you think of the kit and I certainly don't care if you buy one. Just stop posting incorrect information. There is enough downward pressure on model helicopters and your incorrect information about the newest kit to enter the market isn't helping.

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06-19-2018 07:07 PM  4 months agoPost 27
ticedoff8

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wjvail
This is a post I've been putting off....

ticedoff... It is clear you don't like the new Align helicopters. That is certainly your prerogative. I have no affiliation with Align or the importer Enterprise Hobby. I have no stake in what you buy. Love or hate the 700/600XN- I don't care.

However, I gather you don't own one and I'm beginning to wonder if you have ever even seen one. I'm certain you haven't experienced a gear train failure. While I don't care if you buy a 700/600XN, I'm getting pretty tired of your bad-mouthing and bashing a model product you have no experience with. Buy one or don't- I could care less but stop fabricating perceived failures.

I feel the need to follow your largely incorrect posts with my personal experiences. As I said, you are entitled to your opinion about Aligns solution to the CG problem of Direct to Swash glow helicopters. We get it. You don't like the gears.

Where I take exception is when you post to the larger helicopter community that these kits are failing rapidly and successive upgraded versions are imminent. I suggest you search the forums for the sea of failures you suggest. Google "700XN gearbox failure" and see what you find. There is shocking little to read.

Yes, as you posted, someone uploaded some pictures to Facebook of a failed gearbox. I have those pictures. It was a first generation gearbox and to the best of my knowledge the only "known" example of a failure. I put known in quotes because while there are pictures, I don't know what the idiot did to get to that point. Mine might fail tomorrow and if they do, I'll share that information. To date my 700XN has 7 hours, 51 flights, 8 gallons of fuel through it. As of this writing my helicopter has been flawless.

Going on, to Aligns credit they immediately addressed the "issue" (if there was one). Shortly after receiving my kit Enterprise Hobby called me at home to mail me a replacement gearbox. Don't say "And, there is supposed to be a "free" upgrade to the idler gear" There IS a free upgrade. You've been told there is a free upgrade. It was mailed to me "free" to include postage. There is no longer a "Free Upgrade" because only the first shipment of kits had the G1 gearbox. Modelers can buy a 700XN kit and expect to receive a G2 gearbox and, as I said, I don't know of any failures of this unit.

I really don't care what you think of the kit and I certainly don't care if you buy one. Just stop posting incorrect information. There is enough downward pressure on model helicopters and your incorrect information about the newest kit to enter the market isn't helping.
If you don't care what I think, then don't reply.

I have had 4 Align Trex helicopters.
The Trex 450 Pro was my first "modern" electric heli
The Trex 700N was my first modern nitro (I had 3 Raptor 90 flybar that I converted first to the Align Trex 700 flybar head and then to the DFC heads).
The Trex 600N Pro and the Trex 600E Pro were my first mid-size helis
My first FBL gyro was the Align 3G. Then the 3GX.

I upgraded the 700N and the 600N to the Custom Heli Products DL frames and changed to the 3-bladed head & tails

I still have the the 700N and the 2 600 (N & E). They are hanging on the wall covered and waiting for someone that wants an entry level heli to get started with.
I have, conservatively, multiple-thousands of $$ worth of Align "spare parts" in bags and boxes for the 600 / 700.

If you chose to do a little searching, you would find that my 700N has had the Align Speed Fuselage kit with the 3-bladed head & tail. I still have the parts for that.

I paid my Align dues.
I blew up 2 of the "new" V1 tail rotor shafts on my 700N when the hubs broke.
I suffered through the "new" DFC heads on all 4 helis
I had to change to the 3-bladed tail on the 600E Pro to keep from blowing out the tail under hard 3D with "only" 2300 RPM headspeed.

I get the right to complain when the company that I followed for 10 years sh!ts the bed with bad kits.
This is a small market and it is getting smaller.

We don't need crap kits taking up $$$ that could be spent by hobbyist on good kits

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06-20-2018 12:56 AM  4 months agoPost 28
wjvail

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ticedoff8
If you don't care what I think, then don't reply.
I don't care if you buy one or not. I'm not here to change your opinion. If you had only posted an opinion, I might not have gotten in the conversation.
The "Whats with the whacky idler gear drive train" was a last minute change to the Trex 700XN after their test-pilots puked all over the "new" Trex 700xn with the old engine / fuel tank location.

It is such a bad idea, they decided to use it on a "new" Trex 600XN.

The Trex 700XN is burning up the gears and there will be a V2 coming soon.
Followed by a V3.

Then, maybe a Trex 700XXN (or some other BS marketing ploy)
The way to "fix this" is to use a belt (like the Goblin 700BN or the Synergy) and not a bigger gear.
Where I got involved was when you stated the above as fact. You are entitled to an opinion. That opinion would be more valuable if you had any experience with the new model but even lacking that, you are entitled to your thoughts. What I take exception to is your posting the above as fact. I feel that for the benefit of those following this thread I must comment.
I paid my Align dues. I get the right to complain when the company that I followed for 10 years sh!ts the bed with bad kits.
Which "bad kits" are your referring to? I had never owned an Align until I bought a 700XN. My spare parts for that one and only kit fit in a quart Zip-Loc. 1/2 of those are the improved gearbox given to me- free. We are talking about the 700/600XN and you're extrapolating forward the last 10 years and your experience with previous kits to say the new offerings are "sh!t". From my vantage as a first time buyer, I'd say they hit a home run.

If you're suggesting that Align kits from 10 years ago were imperfect, maybe they were. I wouldn't doubt it in the least. But I've got news. Every helicopter is better today. Model helicopters have been evolving and improving for the 30 years that I've been flying them. My earliest models would be considered barely flight worthy today. I didn't own my first X-Cell 6 months before the wire drive tail was replaced by the highly recommended torque tube. Shortly after that the plywood servo tray was "upgraded" to a much better molded piece. 100s of upgrade kits followed. Shortly after X-Cell perfected their "legacy" helicopters they introduced their "New" Fury eCCPM heli and the evolution began all over.

Same for Thunder Tiger. The Raptor 30 hadn't been out long before the V2 was introduced. A larger spindle and improved clutch fixed some fairly large problems.

You like Synergy? I'm sorry to say but go back 10 years and you'll find the Synergy N9 was a flawed helicopter very much in need of refinement. It has evolved into the N7 and a very well respected machine. You'd have to agree it would be unfair to look back at an early Synergy helicopter and say the newest kit is "sh!t" simply because you find fault with the N9.

So lets agree to disagree. You don't "like" the 7/600XN and I do. Fair enough. Like or dislike is an opinion and we are each entitled to our own. I don't understand or agree with your opinion but that's life. But let's just try and present the facts as they exist. Let's try and avoid statements like: "The 700XN is burning up the gears and there will be a V2 coming soon. Followed by a V3." Or "...their test-pilots puked all over the "new" Trex..." Statements like this are at best speculation and at worst pure fabrication.

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06-22-2018 11:55 AM  3 months agoPost 29
Richardmid1

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All helis are s*** except maybe Hirobo!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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06-22-2018 02:16 PM  3 months agoPost 30
payne1967

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Richardmid1
All helis are s*** except maybe Hirobo!
maybe not all
but you have the Hirobo part correct
Hirobo are a good product, the engineering is of a good consistent standard
the draw back is Hirobo know how to charge for it compared to other manufactures

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06-22-2018 03:20 PM  3 months agoPost 31
Richardmid1

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I think people are way too critical these days, it's supposed to be a fun HOBBY!

Yes Align could have used a two stage belt but can you IMAGINE the topics and keyboard bashing that would create in the forums?!! "Align can't think of their own ideas, so they have to copy other manufacturers!" or "I hope Align gets sued by SAB for copying their design!" And they would aswell, if SAB have a Patent on that design!

Also I've seen torn and snapped Goblin belts and a 2 stage belt drive is more inefficient and just as complex if not more so.

I personally wouldn't lube the gears unless the mesh from the factory was a bit tight then I would lube them just for the first couple of flights till they were bedded in. Repeated lubrication beyond that point is just going to attract dust.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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06-22-2018 04:05 PM  3 months agoPost 32
wjvail

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Richard... I couldn't agree more. Buy a kit and fly it. Any kit. Align threw a new kit out there for us and there was bashing before the first one was built. If you like it buy one if not, don't. It's odd to me how everyone is so critical these days when helicopters have never been better. Everyone is a keyboard genius and seems to take pride it speaking poorly about different models.

I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't anti-reping going on. (Yes I just created the term, anit-rep.) By that I mean, Mark has sales reps on a pretty short leash here on RR. If your tag line includes a product name and you appear to be "selling", you're flirting with getting your posts pulled or banned altogether. What seems to be less well monitored is sales reps bashing a competing product in an effort to push people to buy what they are representing. You can't say "buy a Castle Creations ESC" but you can fabricate fake news to say "My POS ____ caught fire. I wish I'd bought something else."

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06-22-2018 06:56 PM  3 months agoPost 33
banshee rider

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You all can argue back and forth all day
but they do/did have a reputation of having the buyers
do there Beta testing on a lot of there products for them

then they would come out with an "upgrade"
which was really a fix for a faulty part

ageing is manditory maturity is optional

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06-23-2018 01:16 PM  3 months agoPost 34
wjvail

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You all can argue back and forth all day but they do/did have a reputation of having the buyers do their Beta testing on a lot of there products for them
Maybe.

One mans beta testing is another mans on-going product growth and improvement. As I've mentioned in a previous post, many manufactures have come out with "upgrades" to their products. Were the previous parts beta parts?

I think Align also has a reputation for being bought by the newest people to the hobby. More first-time-buyers will dip a toe in the heli hobby with a T-Rex than a Gaui or Hirobo.

They have a reputation of marketing all-in-one-box kits. That brings an expectation of turn-key performance and maintenance. People that buy a kit that includes ESC, Gyro, motor, servos, etc are not the same modelers as those that source their own components.

They have a reputation for being less expensive than other models which immediately makes some people judge them as cheep. Often being 100s of dollars less than other kits puts them in the defensive position of being "pretty good for being cheep". Many people have the flawed logic that more expensive is better and cheaper is obviously worse.

Or... maybe weaknesses don't show up until they get 500+ kit out in the wild and (below) average modelers get 200+ hours on their machines.

Today, everyone that buys a used, neglected, helicopter at a garage sale and spends a few hours on the internet is an expert. Maybe these people stumble on more T-Rex 600Ns than Goblins or Mini-Copters.

Maybe Align does ship products to consumers with insufficient development. I can't say they don't. Maybe it is the people that buy them.

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06-23-2018 01:50 PM  3 months agoPost 35
banshee rider

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"Maybe" the moon is made of swiss chesse but a lot of people dont think so

ageing is manditory maturity is optional

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06-23-2018 02:35 PM  3 months agoPost 36
wjvail

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banshee rider
"Maybe" the moon is made of swiss chesse but a lot of people dont think so
No. I wouldn't suggest Swiss cheese either.

I made some reasonable suggestions to ponder and I think what you are saying is that what I proposed was as preposterous as the moon being made of cheese. In effect, I suggested the moon might be made of rock and you said it might be made of cheese seeming to implying what I suggested was ridiculous. Was that what you intended to say? Or did I read it wrong?

Hey. If the moon were made of spareribs, would you take a bite?

Watch at YouTube

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06-23-2018 03:08 PM  3 months agoPost 37
banshee rider

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What I implied is/was you have a lot of "maybe's" in that post

ageing is manditory maturity is optional

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06-23-2018 04:21 PM  3 months agoPost 38
wjvail

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banshee rider
What I implied is/was you have a lot of "maybe's" in that post
Understood. "Maybe" was intentional. It is meant to encourage discussion and to suggest I could be wrong.

If I were to say "Three blades are better than two", it would sound like a statement of fact and tend to discourage conversation. If, instead, I were to say "Maybe, because three blades are typically shorter than 2, a helicopter is more agile with three...", the topic would appear more open for debate and encourage others to join in.

Many of my posts include conversation pointers like "I think.." or "It seems to me..." or "Maybe..." or "My impression is..." to avoid giving the appearance of being the final word on any subject.
________

Edited....

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06-23-2018 08:51 PM  3 months agoPost 39
jbjones

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wjvail
I think Align also has a reputation for being bought by the newest people to the hobby. More first-time-buyers will dip a toe in the heli hobby with a T-Rex than a Gaui or Hirobo.
I think there is a lot of truth there. The big answer for any newcomer asking what model to get has generally been "get what your local pilots are flying". Many times that turns out to be an Align, whether that be good or bad.

And it sure helped that you could get parts at nearly every hobby shop.

J. B. Jones

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06-23-2018 11:23 PM  3 months agoPost 40
payne1967

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what I recommend to a newbie is
go to your local model shop and see what they sell and have a good supply of spares for
because they will damage the model in the learning stages, with a good local supply of spare parts the model can quickly be back in the air
and at the present time this is 9 time out of 10 an Align model helicopter

I fly a variety of models

and from my other posts you can deduce that I favour Hirobo
but with no distributor in my country now and spares take longer to obtain I do fly other brands that the spares are easily obtained and by experience I know the quality difference of them
I am also from an engineering background and can also see an idea from a manufacture that I see as a possible failure point and thus my comments on the idler gear arrangement

with beta testing some manufactures are very slow to bring a new model into production and get knocked for it although on release the model doesn't need an upgrade to sort issues out
Align are very quick to release a new model and testing isn't as comprehensive as some and hence the issues seen as the customer being a beta tester, in Aligns defence they do make a fix to any issues found in a short space of time even if they need a fix for the fix and need to fix it again
and before you ask yes I do own and fly Align models electric and nitro powered
am I a rep?
No I fly for myself and my enjoyment, I pay for all my modelling from my hard earned money, no support from any manufacture or model shop at all

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