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06-09-2018 08:40 AM  12 days agoPost 21
datidun

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I have not heard of any problems with this new 700 out in the UK, not even if its Googled, where is all this info coming from

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06-11-2018 05:18 PM  9 days agoPost 22
ticedoff8

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Hopefully, this HF link works for you

In this HF thread, on page 5, 1/2 way down, there are pictures of a burned up idler gear and damage to the frame.

And, there is supposed to be a "free" upgrade to the idler gear

Plus, you need to lube it regularly.
"Regularly" as in before the first flight of every new flying session.

I fly my Trex 700N with the slant-tooth main gear for hundreds of flights and never once "lubed" the main gear. Not even Dry-Lube.

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06-13-2018 07:26 PM  7 days agoPost 23
Richardmid1

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ticedoff8
And, there is supposed to be a "free" upgrade to the idler gear

Plus, you need to lube it regularly.
"Regularly" as in before the first flight of every new flying session.
SAB's 'upgraded' metal main gear also needs regular lubrication!

Belt drives are very inefficient and it shows in the flight times on the Goblins, I know, I've owned one.

There are lots and lots of 700XN's out there now and only 1 failure, and it could have been pilot error.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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06-19-2018 09:04 AM  2 days agoPost 24
ticedoff8

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SAB's 'upgraded' metal main gear also needs regular lubrication!

Belt drives are very inefficient and it shows in the flight times on the Goblins, I know, I've owned one.

There are lots and lots of 700XN's out there now and only 1 failure, and it could have been pilot error.
Interesting.
So, only one failure? And that prompted Align to issue a new idler gear and a recommendation for regular lubrication?

I still own one.
My G700BN gets about 8 min on a tank that is smaller than my old T700N with the same YS 96SR-X.

And, I've never burned up the slant gear main on my T700N or any of the belts on my G700BN.

What is this "SAB's 'upgraded' metal main gear"?
I guess I need one of them.

Personally, I prefer a Goblin 600N

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06-19-2018 01:28 PM  2 days agoPost 25
Richardmid1

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So, only one failure? And that prompted Align to issue a new idler gear and a recommendation for regular lubrication?
Yep, pretty decent of them right! They are always listening to customers and bringing out upgrades and better kits as a result.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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06-19-2018 06:02 PM  1 day agoPost 26
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This is a post I've been putting off....

ticedoff... It is clear you don't like the new Align helicopters. That is certainly your prerogative. I have no affiliation with Align or the importer Enterprise Hobby. I have no stake in what you buy. Love or hate the 700/600XN- I don't care.

However, I gather you don't own one and I'm beginning to wonder if you have ever even seen one. I'm certain you haven't experienced a gear train failure. While I don't care if you buy a 700/600XN, I'm getting pretty tired of your bad-mouthing and bashing a model product you have no experience with. Buy one or don't- I could care less but stop fabricating perceived failures.

I feel the need to follow your largely incorrect posts with my personal experiences. As I said, you are entitled to your opinion about Aligns solution to the CG problem of Direct to Swash glow helicopters. We get it. You don't like the gears.

Where I take exception is when you post to the larger helicopter community that these kits are failing rapidly and successive upgraded versions are imminent. I suggest you search the forums for the sea of failures you suggest. Google "700XN gearbox failure" and see what you find. There is shocking little to read.

Yes, as you posted, someone uploaded some pictures to Facebook of a failed gearbox. I have those pictures. It was a first generation gearbox and to the best of my knowledge the only "known" example of a failure. I put known in quotes because while there are pictures, I don't know what the idiot did to get to that point. Mine might fail tomorrow and if they do, I'll share that information. To date my 700XN has 7 hours, 51 flights, 8 gallons of fuel through it. As of this writing my helicopter has been flawless.

Going on, to Aligns credit they immediately addressed the "issue" (if there was one). Shortly after receiving my kit Enterprise Hobby called me at home to mail me a replacement gearbox. Don't say "And, there is supposed to be a "free" upgrade to the idler gear" There IS a free upgrade. You've been told there is a free upgrade. It was mailed to me "free" to include postage. There is no longer a "Free Upgrade" because only the first shipment of kits had the G1 gearbox. Modelers can buy a 700XN kit and expect to receive a G2 gearbox and, as I said, I don't know of any failures of this unit.

I really don't care what you think of the kit and I certainly don't care if you buy one. Just stop posting incorrect information. There is enough downward pressure on model helicopters and your incorrect information about the newest kit to enter the market isn't helping.

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06-19-2018 07:07 PM  1 day agoPost 27
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This is a post I've been putting off....

ticedoff... It is clear you don't like the new Align helicopters. That is certainly your prerogative. I have no affiliation with Align or the importer Enterprise Hobby. I have no stake in what you buy. Love or hate the 700/600XN- I don't care.

However, I gather you don't own one and I'm beginning to wonder if you have ever even seen one. I'm certain you haven't experienced a gear train failure. While I don't care if you buy a 700/600XN, I'm getting pretty tired of your bad-mouthing and bashing a model product you have no experience with. Buy one or don't- I could care less but stop fabricating perceived failures.

I feel the need to follow your largely incorrect posts with my personal experiences. As I said, you are entitled to your opinion about Aligns solution to the CG problem of Direct to Swash glow helicopters. We get it. You don't like the gears.

Where I take exception is when you post to the larger helicopter community that these kits are failing rapidly and successive upgraded versions are imminent. I suggest you search the forums for the sea of failures you suggest. Google "700XN gearbox failure" and see what you find. There is shocking little to read.

Yes, as you posted, someone uploaded some pictures to Facebook of a failed gearbox. I have those pictures. It was a first generation gearbox and to the best of my knowledge the only "known" example of a failure. I put known in quotes because while there are pictures, I don't know what the idiot did to get to that point. Mine might fail tomorrow and if they do, I'll share that information. To date my 700XN has 7 hours, 51 flights, 8 gallons of fuel through it. As of this writing my helicopter has been flawless.

Going on, to Aligns credit they immediately addressed the "issue" (if there was one). Shortly after receiving my kit Enterprise Hobby called me at home to mail me a replacement gearbox. Don't say "And, there is supposed to be a "free" upgrade to the idler gear" There IS a free upgrade. You've been told there is a free upgrade. It was mailed to me "free" to include postage. There is no longer a "Free Upgrade" because only the first shipment of kits had the G1 gearbox. Modelers can buy a 700XN kit and expect to receive a G2 gearbox and, as I said, I don't know of any failures of this unit.

I really don't care what you think of the kit and I certainly don't care if you buy one. Just stop posting incorrect information. There is enough downward pressure on model helicopters and your incorrect information about the newest kit to enter the market isn't helping.
If you don't care what I think, then don't reply.

I have had 4 Align Trex helicopters.
The Trex 450 Pro was my first "modern" electric heli
The Trex 700N was my first modern nitro (I had 3 Raptor 90 flybar that I converted first to the Align Trex 700 flybar head and then to the DFC heads).
The Trex 600N Pro and the Trex 600E Pro were my first mid-size helis
My first FBL gyro was the Align 3G. Then the 3GX.

I upgraded the 700N and the 600N to the Custom Heli Products DL frames and changed to the 3-bladed head & tails

I still have the the 700N and the 2 600 (N & E). They are hanging on the wall covered and waiting for someone that wants an entry level heli to get started with.
I have, conservatively, multiple-thousands of $$ worth of Align "spare parts" in bags and boxes for the 600 / 700.

If you chose to do a little searching, you would find that my 700N has had the Align Speed Fuselage kit with the 3-bladed head & tail. I still have the parts for that.

I paid my Align dues.
I blew up 2 of the "new" V1 tail rotor shafts on my 700N when the hubs broke.
I suffered through the "new" DFC heads on all 4 helis
I had to change to the 3-bladed tail on the 600E Pro to keep from blowing out the tail under hard 3D with "only" 2300 RPM headspeed.

I get the right to complain when the company that I followed for 10 years sh!ts the bed with bad kits.
This is a small market and it is getting smaller.

We don't need crap kits taking up $$$ that could be spent by hobbyist on good kits

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06-20-2018 12:56 AM  1 day agoPost 28
wjvail

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ticedoff8
If you don't care what I think, then don't reply.
I don't care if you buy one or not. I'm not here to change your opinion. If you had only posted an opinion, I might not have gotten in the conversation.
The "Whats with the whacky idler gear drive train" was a last minute change to the Trex 700XN after their test-pilots puked all over the "new" Trex 700xn with the old engine / fuel tank location.

It is such a bad idea, they decided to use it on a "new" Trex 600XN.

The Trex 700XN is burning up the gears and there will be a V2 coming soon.
Followed by a V3.

Then, maybe a Trex 700XXN (or some other BS marketing ploy)
The way to "fix this" is to use a belt (like the Goblin 700BN or the Synergy) and not a bigger gear.
Where I got involved was when you stated the above as fact. You are entitled to an opinion. That opinion would be more valuable if you had any experience with the new model but even lacking that, you are entitled to your thoughts. What I take exception to is your posting the above as fact. I feel that for the benefit of those following this thread I must comment.
I paid my Align dues. I get the right to complain when the company that I followed for 10 years sh!ts the bed with bad kits.
Which "bad kits" are your referring to? I had never owned an Align until I bought a 700XN. My spare parts for that one and only kit fit in a quart Zip-Loc. 1/2 of those are the improved gearbox given to me- free. We are talking about the 700/600XN and you're extrapolating forward the last 10 years and your experience with previous kits to say the new offerings are "sh!t". From my vantage as a first time buyer, I'd say they hit a home run.

If you're suggesting that Align kits from 10 years ago were imperfect, maybe they were. I wouldn't doubt it in the least. But I've got news. Every helicopter is better today. Model helicopters have been evolving and improving for the 30 years that I've been flying them. My earliest models would be considered barely flight worthy today. I didn't own my first X-Cell 6 months before the wire drive tail was replaced by the highly recommended torque tube. Shortly after that the plywood servo tray was "upgraded" to a much better molded piece. A 100 upgrade kits followed. Shortly after X-Cell perfected their "legacy" helicopters they introduced their "New" Fury eCCPM heli and the evolution began all over.

The Raptor 30 hadn't been out long before the V2 was introduced. A larger spindle and improved clutch fixed some fairly large problems.

You like Synergy? I'm sorry to say but go back 10 years and you'll find the Synergy N9 was a flawed helicopter very much in need of refinement. It has evolved into the N7 and a very well respected machine. You'd have to agree it would be unfair to look back at an early Synergy helicopter and say the newest kit is "sh!t" simply because you find fault with the N9.

So lets agree to disagree. You don't "like" the 7/600XN and I do. Fair enough. Like or dislike is an opinion and we are each entitled to our own. I don't understand or agree with your opinion but that's life. But let's just try and present the facts as they exist. Let's try and avoid statements like: "The 700XN is burning up the gears and there will be a V2 coming soon. Followed by a V3." Or "...their test-pilots puked all over the "new" Trex..." Statements like this are at best speculation and at worst pure fabrication.

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