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05-04-2018 04:33 PM  49 days agoPost 1
Mark Ryder

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RR RC discussions work with an emphasis on day in and day out productivity. The site's retro non-flashy look is by design and gets the job done. The following is under design and coming soon. Sites are forums or subsections (re)displayed in logical collections including your own.

RC Sites...
rc.runryder.com (redirects to /site/home/)

rc.runryder.com/site/home/ (new home page)
rc.runryder.com/mysite/home/ (member defined)

rc.runryder.com/aircraft/home/
rc.runryder.com/landcraft/home/
rc.runryder.com/watercraft/home/
rc.runryder.com/drone/home/
rc.runryder.com/uas-uav/home/

rc.runryder.com/helicopter/home/ (existing)
rc.runryder.com/multi-rotor/home/
rc.runryder.com/scale/home/ (all sites)
rc.runryder.com/turbine/home/ (all sites)
rc.runryder.com/contest/home/ (all sites)
rc.runryder.com/event/home/ (all sites)
rc.runryder.com/place/home/ (map point = forum)

rc.runryder.com/classified/home/ (all sites)
RC Categorization...
Air
Land
Water
Hobby
Consumer
Business
Helicopter
Multi-Rotor
Tandem Rotor
Autogyro
VTOL
Plane
Jet
Boat
Jet Ski
Sub
Car
Truck
Buggy
Tank
Motorcycle
Parachute
Micro
Mini
Large
Giant
Gas
Glow
Turbine
Electric
Hybrid
Wind
Control Line
Glide
Sail
Road
Off Road
Track
Dirt Track
Batteries
Chargers
Engines
Motors
Blades
Props
Gas/Glow Components
Electric Components
Radios
Electronics
FPV
Construct
Performance
Tools
Antique
Conversion
Racing
Speed
Training
3D
FAI
IMAC
Sport
Drone
Uas-Uav
Scale
Contest
Event
Vendor
Classified
Place
Off Topics
News & Politics
Please Post Reply your refinements and additions.

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05-04-2018 05:52 PM  49 days agoPost 2
tadawson

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Since "Drone" is just the mentally challenged equivalent to "multirotor", how to make the distinction? To me, an actual drone is autonomous, which is not a part of the hobby (at least not legally iirc . . .).

Friends don't let friends become electrotarded . . . .

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05-04-2018 06:02 PM  49 days agoPost 3
Mark Ryder

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tadawson
Since "Drone" is just the mentally challenged equivalent to "multirotor", how to make the distinction? To me, an actual drone is autonomous, which is not a part of the hobby (at least not legally iirc . . .).
Yes but this is an RC (remote control) site. RR must expand and partition off all aspects of RC including the business side. This will not effect how RR's current helicopter hobby discussions work.

The battle of semantics is over.
https://www.google.com/search?q=drone

Thanks for the feedback.

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05-04-2018 10:23 PM  48 days agoPost 4
ICUR1-2

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instead of using the word drone. How about using multi rotor or quad rotor

spending time, paying attention

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05-04-2018 11:09 PM  48 days agoPost 5
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ICUR1-2
instead of using the word drone. How about using multi rotor or quad rotor
I think "drone" is a ubiquitous term that now means more than just multi-rotors. Some of the following (taken from above) are being marketed as drones.
Helicopter
Multi-Rotor
Tandem Rotor
Autogyro
VTOL
Plane
Jet
Boat
Sub
Car
Truck
Motorcycle
Parachute

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05-05-2018 12:42 PM  48 days agoPost 6
doorman

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Sherwood, Arkansas

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Scale Section
Under scale, will you break it down to include types??
Scale heli, planes, xxxxxx

AMA 2918-Team Spin Blades,,Castle Creations, Unique Aircraft

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05-05-2018 12:50 PM  48 days agoPost 7
fastrc1

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Planet Brooklyn, NY-USA

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"Sport"
3D
FAI
IMAC

RIP Roman Pirozek Jr.
Team Futaba USA
Team Kontronik USA
http://flysrw.com

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05-05-2018 03:00 PM  48 days ago •• Post 8 ••
Mark Ryder

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doorman
Scale Section
Under scale, will you break it down to include types??
Scale heli, planes, xxxxxx
Yes you will see the same existing helicopter scale in two places.
fastrc1
"Sport"
3D
FAI
IMAC
Thanks

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05-07-2018 02:15 AM  46 days agoPost 9
IS Pilot

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Since the choice word is "drone" and since inception has created a burden for all RC aircraft hobbyists there should be a FAA UAS parts 107, 336, 333 section to help people understand the additional legal requirements now associated with all RC aircraft.

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05-07-2018 02:36 AM  46 days agoPost 10
IS Pilot

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One more to keep up with the ever changing times is a Social Media section to share their ig names or allow users to include there instagram or fb names under there user name. Encourage the use of a #runryder hashtag on users social media posts. Keep the hobby relevant.

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05-07-2018 01:53 PM  46 days agoPost 11
utahbob

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St. George Utah

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I too roil at the term "drone"..just my two cents..I bet if George Lucas didn"t own the term "droid"..they'd be calling them that!

I do a great decending funnel!

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05-07-2018 04:00 PM  46 days agoPost 12
Mark Ryder

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For me it's about cross pollination. The apathy with the RC helicopter hobby is profound and getting worse. This time it's not the economy. If someone buys a drone at the (toy) store he or she might come here for support and or to create a classified and then find out about the more serious (non-drone) side of things.

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05-07-2018 05:08 PM  46 days agoPost 13
wjvail

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Meridian, Mississippi

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I bought my first control line model when I was 7 in 1967. I've been part of just about every part of this hobby. I "roil" at any attempt to create divisions within "models".

There has always been a subset of this hobby that believes that what they are doing is somehow superior to everyone and everything else. They are pretty arrogant about there self-given position at the top of the food chain and have no trouble looking down on others.

When I was younger the AMA pattern folks seemed to believe they were the anointed ones. Today is seems the jet fraternity has come to believe they are the apex of modeling. My personal opinion of jets is that the only challenge to them, is paying for them. I find many turbines to be near turn key "kits" and many EDFs close to bind-and-fly ARFs. The point isn't that I don't like jets- the point is I don't appreciate or understand what I perceive of as arrogance. I don't understand their position.

Car and truck guys don't seem to get much love but they are keeping this hobby afloat.

On to drones and what should be done about them on a discussion forum... It is my belief they must be included as any other element of this wide and wondrous hobby. The modeler that buys a DJI drone from Best Buys today is tomorrow's helicopter pilot. Over the years I have tired of various aspect of this hobby but I've always found something in the same genera to take its place. If I tire of helicopters, I may go glider flying. If gliders become less entertaining, there is so much to explore in boat racing. Many people that start in drones will, at some point, begin to look around and notice there are other areas of this hobby that are equally entertaining and possibly more challenging.

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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05-07-2018 05:31 PM  46 days agoPost 14
A&J

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May need to leave it
As runryder
Your RC community
That way if it flies floats takes pictures or races or climb over rocks run through the mud
you are kind of covered

Lets do the time warp againnn !

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05-19-2018 07:20 PM  34 days agoPost 15
KC

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WA

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"the apathy of the rc heli community".....interesting choice of words but you've tried the cross polination thing before. I'm not going to sugar coat this.

Now rr is a hollow shell with the few dozen same regular voices, most of which need to go get lives outside of here and are highly unlikely to be able to support yours no matter how much they talk about this that and everything else all day here. RR is dying again, Mark, and that has nothing to do with the rc heli community (an abstract) and everything to do with how you run it. This needs to be said.

You're appreaching to the choir.

H-Freak grew and grew, this place has had a rough patch. I only look at RR for heli info because I don't like overwhelming long threads, OT / bs and want straight up info and answers and there are plenty of other sites for the other flavoring crap for those who want it. Being all about helis was the strength of RR, please keep it to helicopters and keep it small, as the hobby as a whole was and always will be small and subject to the whims of the economy. You have thusfar endured and should be proud of that.

Been here with you since the start of the site, liked it best before you went full time on it but understand the need to make it a business to sustain it. I don't see any reason to diversify the site again but it is your site and maybe starting NEW sites that link to this and keeping this one from cluttering up might be the ticket.

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05-19-2018 09:18 PM  33 days agoPost 16
Mark Ryder

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KC
you've tried the cross polination thing before
I don't understand that. RR has been 100% RC Helis for 16 years. The three Off Topics forums don't count and can be easily ignored. The "Start Here" link defaults to NO off topics.
KC
RR is dying again, Mark, and that has nothing to do with the rc heli community (an abstract) and everything to do with how you run it.
RR policy is straightforward and the discussions are lightly moderated. I will withhold further comment and let my handy work speak for itself.
KC
Been here with you since the start of the site, liked it best before you went full time on it but understand the need to make it a business to sustain it.
RR has been my full time occupation since 2003 and continues. Thanks for the feedback.

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05-24-2018 06:45 PM  29 days agoPost 17
KC

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WA

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You tried to make sections for other rc a long time ago... RR cars, RR boats etc...I don't remember anything more than link on the right bar. I am not a computer type and do not share your enthusiasm for it or are opposed to trying new things, I simply don't see how after all these years more OT will be the key to revitalizing this place.

Please look at your numbers for various sections of RR, your non-heli stuff other than girls OT has little to no traffic in posts per day...look at the drones section and divide the total posts by time its been up, I cannot tell you the exact amount, but I can tell you with turnover like that, I wouldnt bank on different results.

Remember when you and I got into it about drones being helicopters? (basically when you started the drone section) Not saying chuck it, but it hasnt grown organically in what 4-5 years. Its dead.

The beauty of this place is being able to go OT, but look at all your links on the main page..hundreds of sub categories and it is overwhelming for growth (new blood). What if you just want to cruise the site....how many clicks becomes unreasonable? What about a page of new posts? That would show the action across the forum. Maybe you have one, I can't tell anymore.

Meanwhile there are guys scratchbuilding Chinooks and all sorts of cool stuff that is buried deep into the side areas of RR that would have made main discussion in the early days and kept this place growing organically through engagement instead of becoming a giant search for more searches.

....took me two years to see that thread. Maybe that would have been the cincher for new blood to have seen that and get them onboard...or some other cool project. People don't look for those things too often but those are motivators.

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05-24-2018 07:56 PM  28 days agoPost 18
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KC
You tried to make sections for other rc a long time ago... RR cars, RR boats etc...I don't remember anything more than link on the right bar.
Those where purposed ideas and now they are finally being acted on.
KC
I simply don't see how after all these years more OT will be the key to revitalizing this place.
For RC helicopters there is no other more productive place for discussions. I will further comment below. The problem is that RC Helis are not being pursued as in the past.
KC
Please look at your numbers for various sections of RR, your non-heli stuff other than girls OT has little to no traffic in posts per day...look at the drones section and divide the total posts by time its been up, I cannot tell you the exact amount, but I can tell you with turnover like that, I wouldnt bank on different results.
The changes coming will remove drones and Off Topics from the RR Heli Site home page. Nothing else changes if you only care about Helis.

https://rc.runryder.com/home/ (will look and feel the same)
KC
The beauty of this place is being able to go OT, but look at all your links on the main page..hundreds of sub categories and it is overwhelming for growth (new blood). What if you just want to cruise the site....how many clicks becomes unreasonable? What about a page of new posts? That would show the action across the forum. Maybe you have one, I can't tell anymore.
Helicopter › Flybarless Rotor Head Systems
https://rc.runryder.com/f124p1/

The most effective way of presenting subsections. First you get all then you can drill down. This is unique to RR. For all new posts the home page either offers Start Here or the yellow NewR and NewC links. Another exclusive dividing classifieds from regular. Sold classifieds are removed from view new. This alone is priceless.
KC
Meanwhile there are guys scratchbuilding Chinooks and all sorts of cool stuff that is buried deep into the side areas of RR that would have made main discussion in the early days and kept this place growing organically through engagement instead of becoming a giant search for more searches.
I need to do a how to use RR video. It's too bad you spent years not understanding what I just explained above about view new. You cannot do everything in the Main Discussion. That's why I created RR 16 years ago. RC-Online had only one forum section for Helis.

RR September 2001...
https://web.archive.org/web/2001092...unryder.com:80/
KC
....took me two years to see that thread. Maybe that would have been the cincher for new blood to have seen that and get them onboard...or some other cool project. People don't look for those things too often but those are motivators.
The new design will add a scale site that pulls in scale from all other RR sites. This will help cross pollinate and motivate.

Mark Ryder

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05-26-2018 03:16 PM  27 days agoPost 19
Pistol Pete

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There are times that I do a google search and get links to a direct response to my question from a manufacturer rep (a plus) but unfortunately not at this site.

"Something" killed the vendors and most reps participation here as well as the younger generation going to the freak.

Perhaps grumpy old men and/or too strict rules. Catch 22?

However, never too late to try something new.

Best of luck!

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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05-26-2018 03:43 PM  27 days agoPost 20
Mark Ryder

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Pistol Pete
"Something" killed the vendors and most reps participation here as well as the younger generation going to the freak.
That site was created 13 years ago because a MA Rep's post was moved off the RR Main Discussion and placed in the appropriate RR vendor forum. The RR business model depends on paid (on topic) banner advertising. Vendor promoted content via postings is in direct conflict of this business model. All I can say is enjoy the click-bate (off-topic) advertising over there.
Pistol Pete
Perhaps grumpy old men and/or too strict rules. Catch 22?
This is not rocket science. RR policy and the proprietary software tied to it offer all comers a way to post. This includes Reps and their vendor promoted content. Prior to an extensive RR code rewrite, Reps where pinked and block way too often. That does not happen anymore.
Pistol Pete
However, never too late to try something new.

Best of luck!
Yes get a job that pays. I have about a month's more coding to do to reintroduce the RR experiment. Clearly RR offers the most productive day in and day out forum discussion engine. One line I won't cross is doing off-topic advertising. We will see.

Mark Ryder

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