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04-10-2018 04:28 PM  28 months ago
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TMoore

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Drone Alliance petitions Congress to repeal 336
The Drone Weenies are at it again. It's time to ramp up the pressure.

http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/am...drone-alliance/
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04-11-2018 12:23 AM  28 months ago
JuanRodriguez

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Is there a petition somewhere where you can sign to get rid of ALL drones ?? Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....
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04-11-2018 03:13 AM  28 months ago
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I wish there was, but it's no laughing matter. This is very serious and they want us gone. They're doing everything they can to make it impossible for us to enjoy our hobby as we know it. The AMA should have really included these links to show the full extent of their views:

https://www.commercialdronealliance...las-vegas-cze5n

https://www.commercialdronealliance.org/news/
  
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04-11-2018 04:00 AM  28 months ago
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To me, the big problem with this whole issue is that no one is smart enough to write down on a piece of paper what the difference is between our models (fixed and rotary winged) and a Wal-Mart drone. Until that can be done the gumment is gonna do what they always do; show the public they are on top of the problem. They try to make everything illegal and get back to the most important job at hand - getting re-elected.The older I get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.
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04-11-2018 04:28 AM  28 months ago
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Maybe it's time to start boycotting some of their members. Two common brand names that stand out are CNN and Ford.Blades; what goes around, comes around!
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04-11-2018 07:30 PM  28 months ago
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The Commercial Drone Alliance is all over Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and every other social media outlet, in every Drone Weenie magazine either online or print and their lobbyists are in the halls of Congress. They honestly think that given their numbers which from an organizational standpoint aren't many but their pocketbooks are considerably deeper, that they can get rid of 336. Knowing how Congress has acted lately and how nonsensical they are despite facts which they don't understand, the only thing they will look at is the prestigious list of companies involved and hey that must be good right? IMHO, AMA is way behind the curve on this. They are aware of what's going on otherwise they wouldn't have come out with a Press Release so fast and firmly I might add but their argument and ultimately ours has to resonate with the right people.

I've been saying this ever since this stuff started; the Drone Weenies are patently dangerous. They depend way too much on the automation and stabilization devices that are very simplistic. In case y'all haven't noticed the Russians have managed to disrupt military drones flying in Syria with attacks that amount to GPS denial which can happen here although with military tech there is a good chance that military NavSats will take over some of the workload to compensate on top of inertial nav capability that will get military drones back on the ground safely. None of the civilian stuff has access to military tech to my knowledge. Their machines aren't aerodynamic in the least as all of them simply thrust vector so any failure of the stabilization system, power system or propulsion turns them into a brick.

With Senators like Bill Nelson of FL who isn't a friend to the FAA or the FCC he and others have managed to kill bills that should have easily been passed or maintained by Congress vis a vis last year's changes to 336.

If 336 gets cancelled and we are lumped into the Part 107 ball of wax the folks at AMA and this hobby can call it a day. It will change and what form it will become is anyone's guess. The Drone Weenies will rule the sky and unless you own your own land and tell the FAA to stick it the chance of being regulated arrested and charged for enjoying what's left of the hobby is quite high. The FAA is woefully undermanned now and it will just get worse.
Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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04-11-2018 09:35 PM  28 months ago
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Is there a petition somewhere where you can sign to get rid of ALL drones ??
Kinda like what plankers felt about helicopters. By the way, model helicopters can be a type of drone (autonomous) with the advanced stabilization and GPS control..
I personally have been a planker, then helicopter, then multirotor, and I enjoy all of them.
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04-12-2018 12:23 PM  28 months ago
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Read the bottom thread that ace dude posted. It will open your eyes as to what they are trying to do. AMA had better step up their efforts and I mean NOW.trex 700fbl cal30,minititan,, trx600fbl,trex250,logo 500,Velocity N2
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04-12-2018 12:49 PM  28 months ago
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rpat Read the bottom thread that ace dude posted. It will open your eyes as to what they are trying to do. AMA had better step up their efforts and I mean NOW.
The AMA is the only voice we have so it's important we do whatever we can to support them.

These folks don't want us interfering with their commercial endeavors and will continue to do whatever they can to make it increasingly more difficult for us to enjoy our hobby.
  
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04-12-2018 02:46 PM  28 months ago
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How can you possibly know that without seeing the rules proposal?
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04-12-2018 03:22 PM  28 months ago
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The Drone Weenie Alliance doesn't know the difference between Model Aircraft and Drones.....that's the critical difference right there. They are already confusing the issue with ignorance.

Watch closely. Bill Nelson the idiot Senator from Florida will be a key player here because the Congress looks on him as an ex-astronaut. He's been a key foil in the ARRL's petition for an HOA variance that allows Amateur radio operators to have the "right" to put up antennas in HOA housing regardless of the HOA regs. The reason I bring that up is that ARRL consists of 900,000 members, AMA consists of 200K or less. He has also been a key blocker of maintaining 336 as it was. Again, this is an individual that has no idea what he is legislating for or against, so who do they believe when legislation is winging it's way through the halls of Congress. Facts don't speak to these folks. A clear safety record doesn't speak to these folks.
Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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04-12-2018 05:33 PM  28 months ago
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Drone Weenie Alliance --- the idiot Senator from Florid
ignoring all deprecating comments, wow, nothing left.
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04-12-2018 05:44 PM  28 months ago
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TMoore The Drone Weenie Alliance doesn't know the difference between Model Aircraft and Drones.....that's the critical difference right there.
They know the difference, they just don't care. They just want us out of their way.
  
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04-12-2018 07:54 PM  28 months ago
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Congress looks on him as an ex-astronaut.
He took a ride on the shuttle right before the next one blew up with the teacher (Sharon Christa McAuliffe January 28, 1986 Space Shuttle Challenger disaster), he was a passenger, hardly qualifies him as an astronaut, but then consider the level of most congressmen.
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04-12-2018 08:18 PM  28 months ago
TMoore

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GyroFreak
Congress looks on him as an ex-astronaut.
He took a ride on the shuttle right before the next one blew up with the teacher (Sharon Christa McAuliffe January 28, 1986 Space Shuttle Challenger disaster), he was a passenger, hardly qualifies him as an astronaut, but then consider the level of most congressmen.
I like how you think. Payload specialist in the NASA world is a passenger. That's the simple truth. Folks like Nelson and others are what the AMA have to overcome. It won't be easy.
Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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04-12-2018 11:49 PM  28 months ago
TMoore

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Here is another issue. Drone Weenies are stupid enough to overfly sporting events so in response companies are going to break the law in an effort to deny the operator the ability to control the craft.

BTW, jamming legal radio emissions violates Part 97 of the FCC regs as the article explains but who will legally be able to use the jammer.
https://gizmodo.com/nascar-events-i...that-1825196602
Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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04-13-2018 03:24 PM  28 months ago
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TMoore Watch closely. Bill Nelson the idiot Senator from Florida will be a key player here because the Congress looks on him as an ex-astronaut.
If you're from Florida, you might want to look away - but, why is it that so much crap comes out of Florida? 1/2 the time when I read some moronic headline, it's from Broward county. A disproportionate number of articles highlighting some massive Medicaid scandal - Florida.

Can we just stop listening to Florida and California and get on with life?

Disclaimer: I realize there are some very valuable, likable and competent people here on RunRyder from Florida. Those people can ignore this.

https://mic.com/articles/107372/49-...year#.Hzya2FGVY
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04-13-2018 03:33 PM  28 months ago
TMoore

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Don't get me started about how ****** up Florida's legal system is. I'm still feeling the effects of it from 18 years ago.Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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04-13-2018 07:06 PM  28 months ago
TMoore

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AMA just issued an all points bulletin to contact your elected representatives. Do it while we still can.Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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04-13-2018 07:33 PM  28 months ago
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Don't get me started about how ****** up Florida's legal system is. I'm still feeling the effects of it from 18 years ago.
Off topic, but please elaborate as I live in central Florida, just curious.
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