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04-09-2018 03:33 AM  5 months agoPost 1
lfalsetto

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I fly Align and have a lot of Align stuff, 450, 500, 600 and 700. Looking at websites it is hard to find any Heli vendors. What is the newest thing?

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04-09-2018 04:43 AM  5 months agoPost 2
zonker

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I fly Align and SAB. Sometimes for parts I have to check multiple sites but I can usually find what need. What is the latest thing? It might be an old thing making a bit of a come back - Nitro has seen a resurgence.

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04-09-2018 05:23 AM  5 months agoPost 3
HilliHeli

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The new Lightweight Helis are nice.

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Futaba FASST / FASSTest

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04-09-2018 06:56 AM  5 months agoPost 4
MDSCUSTOMS

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The latest isn't always the best. A lot of the vintage heli's are much nicer to fly and simpler to maintain (depending on what make / model you buy of course). Do your homework first and find a model with good spares back up, there are still quite a few out there that are well over 30 yrs old or more and easy to find parts for. They do fly very well given that we did not have all the electronics back then, I learnt to fly without a tail gyro back in those days.

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04-09-2018 12:22 PM  5 months agoPost 5
Heli_Splatter

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He did say "LATEST AND GREATEST"

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04-09-2018 01:02 PM  5 months agoPost 6
ICUR1-2

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I don't think both those qualities exist today. Latest and great .

spending time, paying attention

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04-09-2018 01:11 PM  5 months agoPost 7
BeltFedBrowning

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The heli I love to fly most is the oldest heli I own. I have a ton of spare parts so I am set.

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04-09-2018 02:54 PM  5 months agoPost 8
Richardmid1

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Newest thing is probably Synergy's N556 which is a 550 size nitro but easily stretchable to a 600.

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04-09-2018 03:35 PM  5 months agoPost 9
Heli_Splatter

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Richardmid1
Newest thing is probably Synergy's N556 which is a 550 size nitro but easily stretchable to a 600.
In addition to larger engine, blades and tail boom... what constitutes stretching a 500 to a 600? Just askin

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04-09-2018 03:36 PM  5 months agoPost 10
vortechZ230

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Thunder Tiger Raptor 50 Titan!.. Parts are a Bitch though....

Blue skies, Light Winds!

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04-09-2018 03:50 PM  5 months agoPost 11
Richardmid1

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Heli_Splatter
In addition to larger engine, blades and tail boom... what constitutes stretching a 500 to a 600? Just askin
It is already designed for the os55. You just need the boom, torque tube, tail control rod, main gear and pinion from the Synergy N5C.

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04-09-2018 04:02 PM  5 months agoPost 12
wjvail

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What is the latest and greatest?
Good question. It's one I've been thinking about lately.

I'm not sure if the helicopter itself plays as big a roll as it once did. Yes it has to be strong, reliable and parts availability are certainly a factor. A fundamentally sound gear train, tail drive and head design are a requirement. But many of these requirements are met by many helicopter kits.

What really seems to define how a helicopter flies is the Flybarless Controller. And more to the point, how the FBL is programmed.

This weekend I had both my Align 700XN and TSA 700N Platnum out for a spin. Both have OS 1.05 engines. Both have very high end servos (MKS-X8 & Xpert-R1). Both are spinning 700ish blades. One has an iKON and the other a Futaba CYG750. I was contemplating what would happen if I swapped the two controllers. If I were to obliterate the Align 700XN along with its iKON controller, what would be the results of uploading the controller parameters into a new iKON and installing it in a Gaui, for instance? How much would the flight performance really change?

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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04-09-2018 04:11 PM  5 months agoPost 13
ICUR1-2

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If I were to obliterate the Align 700XN along with its iKON controller, what would be the results of uploading the controller parameters into a new iKON and installing it in a Gaui, for instance? How much would the flight performance really change?
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If you switch models it will require new programming. Any physical change must be recorded in the software.

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04-09-2018 06:20 PM  5 months agoPost 14
wjvail

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If you switch models it will require new programming. Any physical change must be recorded in the software.
Of course you’re right. It goes without saying I’d have to verify everything moved the right direction. I would expect some changes in gains and/or PID. But having done so, pitch and roll rates (350 deg/sec) and yaw rate (720 deg/sec) do not change. Governor settings and response don’t change.

Blades don’t seem to make as much difference as they used to. This weekend I flew both Align blades and VTX blades on my 700XN. As different as the blades look, they didn’t change the flight performance that much. While these blades are fully 30 grams different in weight, the heli didn’t seem to notice. It seems the controller took whatever changes there might have been and made the helicopter fly very similar to as before.

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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04-10-2018 11:12 AM  5 months agoPost 15
Richardmid1

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wjvail
What really seems to define how a helicopter flies is the Flybarless Controller. And more to the point, how the FBL is programmed.

This weekend I had both my Align 700XN and TSA 700N Platnum out for a spin. Both have OS 1.05 engines. Both have very high end servos (MKS X8/Xpert R1). Both are spinning 700ish blades. One has an iKON and the other a Futaba CYG750. I was contemplating what would happen if I swapped the two controllers. If I were to obliterate the Align 700XN along with its iKON controller, what would be the results of uploading the controller parameters into a new iKON and installing it in a Gaui, for instance? How much would the flight performance really change?
Interesting topic but with multiple 'trigger' warnings! (you have been warned!)

What I know for a fact is that all my helis (of the same size) with the same FBL, tuned to how I like them, all fly VERY similar if not identical. This I believe is the main contributing factor to the demise of RC helis over the last 5 or so years. There are also no longer any cheaper options like Align used to be, Align is now pretty much 'high end'.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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04-10-2018 12:28 PM  5 months agoPost 16
ICUR1-2

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Yep FBL units are a great equaliser when it comes to model characteristics. Now the choices are more about durability VS who has the better flybar head.

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04-10-2018 12:57 PM  5 months agoPost 17
BeltFedBrowning

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Do you mean flybarless head?

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04-10-2018 02:22 PM  5 months agoPost 18
Ladymagic

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all fly VERY similar if not identical. This I believe is the main contributing factor to the demise of RC helis over the last 5 or so years.
That's pretty much how I feel. Performance used to be more about the design and engineering elements of the heli down to the last detail. Tinkering with flybar lengths and weights and paddles types was part of the allure. I used to love it when I would see someone flying something that seemed to fly the way I wanted mine to so, I would investigate on what I needed to do next to get that same performance and aspire to that.

Now? Just change a setting and there you go. No mystery no learning experience. Head design and overall heli design matter very little outside of aesthetics nowadays and a clone will fly just as well as a heli that went through full engineering gambit. Miss the old days.

That's not to say the FBL doesn't have it's place in the hobby.

Mellisa

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04-10-2018 02:23 PM  5 months agoPost 19
Richardmid1

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edited.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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04-10-2018 02:25 PM  5 months agoPost 20
Richardmid1

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BeltFedBrowning
Do you mean flybarless head?
No, he means now people are choosing models for their durability whereas before FBL people were more inclined to choose a model due to it's advanced head mechanics.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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