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04-03-2018 05:21 PM  78 days agoPost 1
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Inside the school, administrators handed out the students' newest mandatory accessories: a see-through backpack much like the ones required at some stadiums and arenas, and an identification badge they must wear at all times.

The bags were yet another stark reminder of how much had changed since a former student stormed the hallways on February 14, gunning down 17 people, junior Kai Koerber said.

First, students lost their classmates and teachers. Now, with the bags, they're sacrificing their privacy for what he and others consider an ineffective security measure.

"It's difficult, we all now have to learn how to deal with not only the loss of our friends, but now our right to privacy. My school was a place where everyone felt comfortable, it was a home away from home, and now that home has been destroyed," he said
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/h...oqqX?li=BBnb7Kz

this is why you dont allow teenagers to determine policy regarding security... the're simply too stupid to know better... logic in a teenagers mind is often overridden by emotion and self image.

Got news for ya kids... the gun didnt kill your fellow classmates... your inability to know what others are up to, your inability to focus on a logical solution to an impending disaster and your incessant need to socialize and at the same time socially isolate fellow "outsiders" did.

You think you live in a snow flake filled world... but you dont. You live in a world where freedom has it price and so does security. You want safe zones? you gotta pay the price.

you cant have it both ways.

the gun is going nowhere... the 2nd amendment right is what guarantees the other 9.... without it you loose the right to ensure your basic human rights.

dont think so? look at other countries that do not support the right to firearm ownership... and you will see that each and every one at its worst has evolved into a government that has turned on its citizens and its citizens have little choice but to accept the crumbs from the ruling class (like North Korea) OR riot with little chance of survival (Venezuela), otherwise they are left to defend themselves by other means should the government not be some form of a dictatorship (UK, China, Japan, Germany to name a few). A criminal will use any tool to overcome his prey, be it physical strength, a pipe, knife, truck, rock... as such the UK has now seen an increase in stabbings...

keep this in mind:
God created man... Colt made them equal.

http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-contro...ther-countries/

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04-03-2018 08:51 PM  78 days agoPost 2
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I can see some positives with being able to carry a concealed firearm specifically it would probably stop the 10s of thousands of snatch and grabs from moped riders of people's mobile phones.

I understand there is little to no road rage in Texas as another example.

The only problem is the checks and balances that allow you to purchase a firearm don't appear to be restricting those who shouldn't have one from getting them (legally).

A lot of people need protecting from themselves. I have seen a few articles where a young child has inadvertently shot their sibling through carelessness of the parent.

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04-03-2018 09:42 PM  78 days agoPost 3
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Andy from Sandy
A lot of people need protecting from themselves. I have seen a few articles where a young child has inadvertently shot their sibling through carelessness of the parent.
my wife's coworker's son, about 15 or 16 at the time was snooping in a friends house, only the kids where there, he found a pistol, and pulled the trigger, put a hole in the wall

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04-03-2018 10:45 PM  78 days agoPost 4
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The only problem is the checks and balances that allow you to purchase a firearm don't appear to be restricting those who shouldn't have one from getting them (legally).
problem is the consensus doesn't want their personal information to be used against them in any such situation. You cannot have privacy and have a valid background check that requires violation of that privacy... Do we need to get court orders on everybody in the country every time they want to purchase ammo or a gun larger than a BB gun?

If we cannot prove to be responsible for ourselves... we will loose the right to privacy eventually.... hell I think we all ready have if the government really wanted to know everything about you. FB, instagram, twitter, youtube, online social forums... they all paint a very clear and concise picture of each of us... and we gladly sign those rights away when we click "Agree to Terms of Service"... we simply never read the fine print.

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04-03-2018 11:47 PM  78 days agoPost 5
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It is possible to remove people's guns if they are declared unfit. A small number of confiscations are going on in Seatle right now. Most judges are not keen on taking anyone's rights, so it does not happen a lot, and most folks are a little uncomfortable with alowing the government to decide who gets what rights.

For example, if it were up to me, they would go take the guns away from all liberals...

As for the back packs, great! Let the ones fussing be the ones being messed with instead of everyone else for once.

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04-04-2018 02:26 AM  78 days agoPost 6
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spaceman spiff
Most judges are not keen on taking anyone's rights, so it does not happen a lot, and most folks are a little uncomfortable with alowing the government to decide who gets what rights.
Actually our system does allow rights to be removed after due process.

Example: a person's liberty can be taken from him and even his right to life...after due process.

90% of life is "showing up"

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04-04-2018 01:09 PM  77 days agoPost 7
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scary part is several states are working on laws where they can take your guns without due process, just a notification from a concerned family member of friend. Imagine how many ex-wives will suddenly "be concerned" about their exes. The due process comes when you try to get them BACK. A tad backwards I would say.

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04-04-2018 01:55 PM  77 days agoPost 8
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fla heli boy
Imagine how many ex-wives will suddenly "be concerned" about their exes. The due process comes when you try to get them BACK.
agreed ... Ive seen a few lives destroyed as a result of a vengeful woman... right or wrong then only to have them spend tens of thousands over the course of years trying to prove that the truth was the opposite of what "she" said.

And it wont stop there...

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04-04-2018 03:03 PM  77 days agoPost 9
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I've always been impressed and fascinated by the wisdom of the very few men that founded this country. Their selflessness and forethought has been a foundation for a very great country that has lasted centuries.

I find myself wondering what has changed in our daily lives that makes people think the 2nd amendment in the "Bill of Rights" was an error. It was a fundamental idea to the brilliant men that laid the foundation for our country - but now it seems many have decided they made a mistake. Worse, now we are allowing children to dictate doctrine. Notice that on page one of our constitution we prohibit individuals under the age of 25 from serving in congress. The drafters of our republic seemed to inherently understand that there is an minimum age for wisdom. Now we are giving legitimacy to children protesting to remove Amendment 2. Am I to assume children now know more than the constructors of our country? What has changed?

Please explain.
Amendment 2
- The Right to Bear Arms

A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Article. I.
Section. 1.
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Section. 2.
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
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"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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04-04-2018 03:35 PM  77 days agoPost 10
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But there you go again thinking logic and considering actual fact and not just fantasy! That is a skill that nary a dimtard has ever mastered . . . . sadly . . . .

Friends don't let friends become electrotarded . . . .

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04-04-2018 04:01 PM  77 days agoPost 11
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wjvail
Notice that on page one of our constitution we prohibit individuals under the age of 25 from serving in congress.
Yet somehow we lawfully declare them adults at the age of 18... with the right to serve in our military and right to give up their life or authority to take the lives of others during justified military action... but yet they cant drink till 21... but can enter a porn shop at 18... and may not be allowed to buy a firearm... and your insurance doesnt drop till 25, go figure why.

maybe our laws need a clear line drawn all the way across for age... and 25 seems pretty legit to me.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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04-04-2018 05:10 PM  77 days agoPost 12
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Yet somehow we lawfully declare them adults at the age of 18...
I didn't know this. Declared by whom?
with the right to serve in our military and right to give up their life or authority to take the lives of others during justified military action...
Having been born in 1961ish, I remember the debate to allow 18-year-olds to vote. Of course that was the 26th amendment and it was passed in 1971. The debate went something like, "If you can fight and die for your country, you should be able to choose its direction". The apposing voice, and the one I ascribe to, was, "Just because you work on the farm, doesn't mean you get to decide what to plant". I would suggest that allowing 18-year-olds to vote had little to do with either argument and more to do with post war democrats and a failing Richard Nixon.
but yet they cant drink till 21...
When I was in college the drinking age in Washington was 21. Lucky for me 6 miles away the drinking age in Idaho was 18. 3 nights a week we piled in cars and drove to Moscow Idaho to celibate getting a D+ on some nameless test. Good times. Good times. ...Until you consider no one had the brains to think about getting home. I'm unprepared to say exactly what the age should be, but a scenario like above that necessitates driving to drink sounds like something we should avoid.

One other thought. The idea is put out there that we would like our kids to learn to drive a car well before theoretically allowing them to legally drink. It sound good but I don't personally ascribe to this. Still, any discussion of the subject always includes this argument.
but can enter a porn shop at 18... and may not be allowed to buy a firearm...
Sailors have been going to porn shops since water was invented. Boys will be boys. Not going to change that no matter how much feminists don't like it.

I don't know who decided it was a good idea to sell ARs to unsupervised young adults.
and your insurance doesnt drop till 25, go figure why.
... and now the bottom line. This emotional debate of youth voting and adulthood all washes away in the actuarial tables of the insurance business.
Liberals and Conservatives can whinge on all they like but when it comes to money, 25 is the age.
maybe our laws need a clear line drawn all the way across for age... and 25 seems pretty legit to me.
It seems right and there are studies to prove it.

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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04-04-2018 05:20 PM  77 days agoPost 13
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Yet somehow we lawfully declare them adults at the age of 18... with the right to serve in our military and right to give up their life or authority to take the lives of others during justified military action... but yet they cant drink till 21... but can enter a porn shop at 18... and may not be allowed to buy a firearm... and your insurance doesnt drop till 25, go figure why.

maybe our laws need a clear line drawn all the way across for age... and 25 seems pretty legit to me.
DING, DING, DING, WINNER!!!!

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04-04-2018 06:22 PM  77 days agoPost 14
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I didn't know this. Declared by whom?
In most states the law says an individual is "declared" an adult at the age of 18... unless they get emancipated before then... last time I checked violet criminals could be tried as an adult even when under the age of 18... weird right? though knowing a few in my extended family, adulthood has yet to be reached even though they are in their mid 30s...

Guess the term "Adult" is way more subjective... after all this is a political section of a toy helicopter social website... kinda Ironic

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04-04-2018 08:29 PM  77 days agoPost 15
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in every box I open it clearly states: "Remote Control Helicopters are not toys"

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04-05-2018 04:39 AM  77 days agoPost 16
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in every box I open it clearly states: "Remote Control Helicopters are not toys"
Wait until some nut decides to fly one of these flying lawnmowers into a crowd of people...kill many?...nope, but it could cut someone up pretty badly...then comes the drone wars.

90% of life is "showing up"

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04-05-2018 02:05 PM  76 days agoPost 17
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in every box I open it clearly states: "Remote Control Helicopters are not toys"
I clearly remember buying lawn darts back in the 90s in the toy department... look how those turned out.

a toy is a toy until someone gets hurt.

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04-05-2018 02:42 PM  76 days agoPost 18
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Items don't have to say “for 10 and under” on the box to be toys.

Here are two classic toys and neither is labeled as such.

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