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03-14-2018 12:59 AM  26 months ago
BeltFedBrowning

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There were bad people long before they made up gods.
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03-14-2018 01:50 AM  26 months ago
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^^^ That's why religion was created, to control the bad masses. It didn't work so good, did it?
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03-14-2018 09:58 AM  26 months ago
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Dirtpen you are dead on man. Moral decay of Society. What happens when God is removed from everything.Got to have my cup of heli in the morning.
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03-14-2018 01:25 PM  26 months ago
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Tell that to the Midianites.
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03-14-2018 02:03 PM  26 months ago
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2low What happens when God is removed from everything.
has nothing to do with removing God from everything... has everything to do with taking away punishments for everything... we allow them to get away with everything. and then we turn around and punish those that try to do the right thing.
..ever heard of the man that saved a girl from a wrecked burning car... then the girl turned around and sued the guy because he may have caused additional spinal damage when he pulled her out?

moral decay is spot on...
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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03-14-2018 03:01 PM  26 months ago
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There is no absolute right or wrong anymore ,only opinion.Got to have my cup of heli in the morning.
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03-14-2018 04:39 PM  26 months ago
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right or wrong is a human construct... often defined by who has more money.... thats a fact. look at our court system if you need evidence.

this whole thing is about what monkey wants to be in charge. See "Dance Monkey Dance" video for a harsh look at our reality.
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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03-14-2018 05:25 PM  26 months ago
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and today there is the biggest attack on guns so far, I can see the hands rubbing together and the voices say "we got them with the kids standing up, soon we will be able to do anything we want with them"

it's a sick-sick thing to use kids to do your dirty work for you
Jim
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03-14-2018 05:28 PM  26 months ago
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Right and wrong changes with situation.

For instance some one gets up early and uses up ALL my pancake mix...
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03-14-2018 06:06 PM  26 months ago
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spaceman spiff For instance some one gets up early and uses up ALL my pancake mix...
That is a cardinal sin right there!

This debate has been going on forever. And it always will. Either you believe or you don't. Simple.

But....if there is no 'higher power', then there is no right or wrong, evil vs good. What keeps someone from committing heinous crimes? Being Evil?

I believe and always will believe.
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03-14-2018 06:24 PM  26 months ago
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Cardinal sin...
Ahmen Pancake Brother!

Right and wrong also changes with perspective.

You may recall Jesus asked a guy to join Him. The guy responded "let me bury my father first." Jesus said " Let the dead bury their dead.".
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03-14-2018 07:22 PM  26 months ago
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sjgusmc21 What keeps someone from committing heinous crimes?
Most would say cause its wrong... but on the inside they know there will be repercussions by the living, others feel empathy and some believe in Hell... the rest could care less.

think about it for one second... If there were no punishment (real or imagined) what would stop you from breaking any law other than empathy for those that it would affect?
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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03-14-2018 07:34 PM  26 months ago
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and all that is why "I petty" that one person that stabbed me hard in the back, it is because "he can not see what he has done to himself" !!!!!!!

yeeaa, I put him out of my life for good, but I petty him
Jim
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03-14-2018 08:03 PM  26 months ago
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An old saying i have always liked: " It only takes a piece of string to keep an honest man honest."

There are MANY reasons for folks to act in an honorable way: Self respect is a big one and quite universal, respect of others is also big, wanting approval of God, simple common sence fairness, brotherhood of man, pride of respectable comunity.... Laws, and potential punishment are important but not the only things at work.

In some cultures they don't steal because stealing is wrong, in annother culture the thought process is simpler, and the level of morality even higher. What is mine is mine, and what is yours is yours. The thought of potentially steeling does not seem to even go thru their mind.
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03-14-2018 09:20 PM  26 months ago
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spaceman spiff " It only takes a piece of string to keep an honest man honest."
...only if tied to the trigger of a gun pointed to his head...

or if tied to his scrotum.
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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03-14-2018 09:43 PM  26 months ago
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RM3 has nothing to do with removing God from everything... has everything to do with taking away punishments for everything...
Agreed

The whole god thing is stupidity and lack of education on the topic.

Its like saying if we keep myth involved, the people will do less crime.

Todays kids are not falling for the myth crap and with all the information out there, they know bull**** when they see it.

Myths of religion are no slipping from society, and the ignorant cry like children who dumped their ice cream in the sand.
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03-14-2018 09:51 PM  26 months ago
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sjgusmc21 This debate has been going on forever. And it always will. Either you believe or you don't.
Not true.

Only man defines the god myth, and everyone generally defines it differently based on where you are born.

If you go back in history, you see clearly how man created the abrahamic god concept by plagiarizing previous cultures myths and compiling two gods into one. This fact and not up for debate.

Gods have never helped to stop humans from acting like the animals we are, history shows it has accelerated it at different times as religious zealots required people to have similar values in myths.

In all, religion in moderation has a positive effect on society, but many groups like islam do not know moderation and are a negative draw like cancer on humanity. Same goes for orthodox jews and young earth creationist Christians, even though they are much less violent then muslims.

What made America great was freedom from religion.
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03-14-2018 09:57 PM  26 months ago
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sjgusmc21 ....if there is no 'higher power', then there is no right or wrong, evil vs good.
That is idiocy. If true it would mean atheist are all evil and cannot tell right or wrong. Factually they can.

The human conscious mind does not need myth to determine good or bad. Moral laws change from one geographic location to the next. All religion was created by men for men. Religious text is 100% man made.

As a strong atheist, no religious person has a better sense of morals then I do without religion.

I don't need fear of a higher power to know right or wrong like religious people use as a crutch.
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03-14-2018 10:03 PM  26 months ago
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treotraveler That's why religion was created, to control the bad masses.
Not true. Religious practice was how ignorant primitive people explained the nature they did not understand, from a time period when they did not understand the conscious mind.

Christianity never originated as means of control, it originated so the common poor man, could communicate with perceived higher powers more directly then using a temple or sacrifice. Monotheism in some cultures originated within means of control, the Babylonians let the Israelite people go if they compiled their many different beliefs into a more cohesive religion under one god. But that is not the context you imply.
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03-14-2018 10:09 PM  26 months ago
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Dirtpen Take God out of I pledge alligence now look what we have. Land,country,freedom God all but forgotten seems to me.
Has nothing to do with the advancement of gun crimes on crowds.

Overpopulation has more to do with everything in America. You can only keep animals so close together before they harm each other. Its exactly why cities are so nasty and the people more violent. Some cities would embarrass animal behavior.

You give people with more space, and they tend to be less violent.
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