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02-28-2018 11:28 AM  3 years ago
Richardmid1

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BeltFedBrowning I like the unpredictability of a flybarred helicopter.
I actually find flybarred helis more predictable!

I have recently gone back to flybarred after 4-5 years of FBL only. I now have a MA X-Cell Fury Extreme 90 and a Kasama Srimok 90n and im in love with the hobby again!
60% of the time, it works every time!
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02-28-2018 11:40 AM  3 years ago
Richardmid1

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cudaboy_71 I tried my first FBL unit (black vbar) back in '06 and knew within the first minute that the hobby had changed--for me at least. It was an expensive peek in to the other side. But, I knew right away all of my flybared helis were instantly obsolete. And, they were.
Wow, again complete opposite to me, I tried the older black Vbar and it was the most diconnected, robotic feeling ever! I did not touch FBL again till I tried a BeastX and for me it was the closest to the flybarred feel so I stuck with BeastX for a few years. Then I tried a blue Vbar, same again, disconnected and robotic and I spent ages fiddling with the settings so back to BeastX.

FBL has killed the mechanical, tinkering, difficulty aspect of RC helis that drew me in in the first place.
60% of the time, it works every time!
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02-28-2018 01:10 PM  3 years ago
BeltFedBrowning

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"There's still a fair amount of modelers that stand out in fields winding rubber bands to attach propellers to their aircraft"

I do still fly rubber powered airplanes. I just got through building a FW-190. It is at least as difficult as helis.
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02-28-2018 03:47 PM  3 years ago
Gearhead

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jbjones you get to do whichever flavor of it that you think is great.
and a lot of people don't like that about this hobby, they simply just want you to fly their brand because they don't like it when some one else is happy with what they got, seen it many times
Jim
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02-28-2018 04:05 PM  3 years ago
Gearhead

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I like the Bar for the mechanics of it, it's a very interesting system, man and machine you know, most people just set it up and never try new adjustments with it, there are many ways to set it up, you can simply screw in or unscrew the paddles 3 or 4 turns and notice a difference in how your Heli flies.. one time I put a wider Robbe 60 Swash on my Mccpm Heli and it gave the system much-much better resolution, my Heli felt much-much smoother on the Sticks yet it still did the same acrobatics, that was a very smooth Mccpm HeliJim
Buzz Buzz Buzz
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02-28-2018 04:26 PM  3 years ago
banshee rider

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I have said it before when this topic has come up previously

A Flybar heli reminds me of an old worn out sloppy Cub airplane with Futaba S148 servos in it

"go's where it wants"

FBL flys like a new Extra 300 with digital servos

"go's where I want"
ageing is manditory maturity is optional
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02-28-2018 06:07 PM  3 years ago
Heli_Splatter

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At least you are not flying planks.
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02-28-2018 07:47 PM  3 years ago
CostaRicaHeli

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I appreciate the flybar, still have some nitro flybarred helis, but at some point we have to embrace progress.Franz
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02-28-2018 07:51 PM  3 years ago
BeltFedBrowning

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I would call it "change" instead of "progress".
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02-28-2018 09:59 PM  3 years ago
ChrisO

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I got both flybar and FBL, but I still like flybar enough that I ordered a Trex 600 clone kit from Hobbyking with a flybar and belt tail. I'm gonna modify it and put a Zenoah in it. Not even going to put a tail gyro on it. The appeal of the flybar for some (and me) for a fun heli is it's mechanically complex, but electronically simple. Don't care if it's not as fast as a FBL - it's still just as much fun to fly. And it's cheap and easy on servos.

People wonder why the hobby got so expensive with FBL units that cost more than 3 complete replacement flybar heads, and expensive LiPo batteries. For pure fun - flybar, piston power, and a gas can - it don't get any better
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02-28-2018 10:18 PM  3 years ago
CostaRicaHeli

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Its like trying to hold on to mechanical or electrical typewriters. Eventually, the only ones manufactured will be for nostalgic reasons, if at all. It would behoove us all to get to know the new tech.Franz
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02-28-2018 10:39 PM  3 years ago
Heli_Splatter

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how is that mechanical recovery system working for you?
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02-28-2018 11:27 PM  3 years ago
BeltFedBrowning

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I just use my brain.
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02-28-2018 11:59 PM  3 years ago
madgadget

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Mechanical fbl has always been interesting. aka legend. I already miss mine and its only been a couple of weeks since I sold it.
But in regard to the op,,, I also owned an audacity pantera 50 fb obtained in a trade. My neighbor talked me out of it 4yrs ago and still flys it.
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03-01-2018 11:01 AM  3 years ago
PaulBowen

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If I was into 3d I’d be impressed by FBL, thing is I’m not.

Flybar is way more interesting and enjoyable and engagig as a hobby in my opinion. Great for those who actually fly their helicopters instead of 3 minutes of stick banging.
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03-01-2018 11:15 AM  3 years ago
IYKIST

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My rant is that mechanical mix (mccpm) is fast disappearing and being replaced by eccpm and that the current eccpm are mostly direct link to swash plate. only about 4 known manufacturers still produce eccpm helicopters with levers.
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03-01-2018 06:11 PM  3 years ago
Richardmid1

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Ask a Porsche 911 enthusiast what they think of the new electronic power steering!60% of the time, it works every time!
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03-01-2018 06:16 PM  3 years ago
banshee rider

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Get off my lawn with that FBL thingageing is manditory maturity is optional
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03-01-2018 06:30 PM  3 years ago
ChrisO

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PaulBowen If I was into 3d I’d be impressed by FBL, thing is I’m not.

Flybar is way more interesting and enjoyable and engagig as a hobby in my opinion.
An old timer that flies an air ambulance for Gold Cross, and flies a big RC turbine Agusta A109, told me a couple years ago after watching some hapless 3D pilot do a 3 minute blast that ended up with a broken helicopter laying all over the ground, "I've spent almost 30 years learning how to make my helicopters NOT do that."
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03-01-2018 06:31 PM  3 years ago
grimthenoble

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Fly what you like, no judgement here!Never go Full Retard!
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