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02-07-2018 03:23 PM  6 months agoPost 141
Mark Ryder

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02-07-2018 04:28 PM  6 months agoPost 142
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The only reason clubs require an AMA card is for the insurance...
other than that the membership is not mandatory
Memorandum of Understanding between Academy of Model Aeronautics and Federal Aviation Administration Concerning Operation of Model Aircraft In the National Airspace System
Purpose This Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) establishes a cooperative working relationship between the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the Academy of Model Aeronautics (AMA).
Background AMA is a nationally recognized, non -profit membership organization that was established in 1936. The organization has provided leaders hip for an expansive aero -modeling community throughout the United States and its territories. Over time, AMA has developed and maintained a National Model Aircraft Safety Code, which provides guidelines for the safe operation of model aircraft.
Until 1981, there were no federal guidelines or directives for model aircraft operations. In June of that year, the FAA published an Advisory Circular (AC 91 -57) titled “Model Aircraft Operating Standards .” Although not directive in nature, AC 91 -57 provided general guidance for the operation of model aircraft.
On February 17, 2012, President Obama signed the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Modernization and Reform Act of 2012(FMRA)(Pub.L.112-95)into law. Within this Act, a special provision for model aircraft was enacted. Section 336 of the FMRA provides a definition of the term “model aircraft”, requirements for operating model aircraft, and reinforces the authority that the FAA possesses to pursue enforcement action against persons operating model aircraft in an unsafe manner . In addition, section 106and 40103of Title 49, United States Code provides the authority of the Federal Aviation Administration to prescribe aviation standards and regulate aviation operations in the National Airspace System(NAS).
In addition in the FMRA, Congress acknowledged the efficacy of community -based safety programming, and specified that if a model aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization, the FAA may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding that model aircraft.
This MOU outlines the relationship that will be maintained between the FAA and the AMA. The AMA and the FAA intend to work together by openly communicating any questions and needs as they arise. Technology and operating environments are always changing, and thus establishing an understanding of the nature of the cooperative working relationship between the two organizations is critical to meet the mission needs of the FAA and
the AMA.
Agreements
The Academy of Model Aeronautics agrees to:
Develop, establish, and maintain a comprehensive safety program to educate and direct its members in how to safely operate model aircraft in the NAS .
Develop, maintain, and enact appropriate guidelines, procedures, and operating standards for its members responsive to the minimum safety criteria established in PL 112-95 and implement the AMA Safety Program to include the PL 112 -95 Enactment Standards.
Maintain the AMA Safety Program by regularly reviewing relevant safety data and updating the program to address any issues that are brought to light by the data.
Continue to establish appropriate safety guidelines for emergent technologies and novel facets of aero-modeling activity.
Provide the FAA with an updated copy of the AMA Safety Program whenever substantive changes are made , or upon request.
Foster a positive and cooperative environment within the aero -modeling community toward the FAA, its employees, and its regulatory structure.
Serve as a conduit between the aero-modeling community at-large, the hobby industry, and the FAA in order to provide relevant and time -critical aviation safety information to all parties.
Bring issues and questions to the FAA when matters arise related to model aircraft that could impact the safety of the NAS.
Maintain Safety Programming documentation on the public section of the AMA website in order to promote safety throughout the entire aero -modeling community, even among non-AMA members.
The Federal Aviation Administration agrees to:
Review AMA’s Safety Program and advise the Academy on safety issues related to aero-modeling operations within the NAS.
Educate and inform appropriate FAA field personnel regarding the most current aero modeling policies, procedures, and operating standards.
Address model aviation safety and operational issues through the Unmanned Aircraft Systems Integration Office, AFS -80. This office will act as a conduit to other areas of the FAA in order to resolve and address matters of mutual concern and interest.
Foster a positive and cooperative environment towards model aviation within the agency’s national, regional, district, and local offices.
Maintain an open line of communication with the AMA to exchange information and provide relevant and/or time critical notices regarding aviation safety and airspace operations.
Cooperate with the AMA in dealing with and resolving issues of concern to either or both parties.
Effective Dates It is understood and agreed by the undersigned that the intent of this MOU is to state shared goals and to establish and maintain cooperation toward meeting these shared goals. This MOU does not create any binding obligation on either party. Each party agrees to conduct its representative activities in a coordinated and mutually beneficial manner. The FAA and the AMA will evaluate their respective participation with the terms of this agreement periodically and communicate any issues with the term as soon as they arise.
This MOU will be in effect at the time of the signing and may be terminated at any time by either of the signing authorities or their successors. One party or the other must serve the notice of the termination at least ninety (90) days prior to the effective date of that termination, or in the case of mutual consent, with no prior notice requirement.

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02-07-2018 05:07 PM  6 months agoPost 143
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Perhaps all the AMA haters who for the most part have zero knowledge of the reality of the AMA's activities for the last 10 or 15 years to protect our privileges in the NAS will be happy when nearly EVERY other organization that plays or makes their living in the NAS gets their way. What is their way you ask? Abolish section 336 allowing the FAA full oversight of our hobby. At that point it will be a short walk to a complete revision or abolishment of part 101. The below are just a few things that will result.

1) All recreational sUAS over about 8 ounces will require an FAA airman's certificate. If they follow with the part 107 requirements this will require several hundred dollars.

2) Every two years you will have to take a re-newal knowledge test at an as yet to be determined cost.

3) No one under the age of 16 will be allowed to hold a certificate.

4)No model may weigh over 55 pounds, fly faster than 100mph or higher than 400 feet. Say goodbye to IMAC, pattern, and soaring activities.

5) All flight within controlled airspace will require an actual ATC clearance. This will effectively shut down a huge number of club fields across the country many of whom have been operating safely for decades.

6) Registration of each and every one of your aircraft at $5 every two years.

7) No night flying.

8) Mandatory federal accident reporting for any incident that causes more than $500 in damage or serious injury.

9) Recreational sUAS activities will become subject to an ever growing set of federal regulations that individual users or groups will have very little input on while being up against every other much more powerful lobby of NAS users desires.

This list is just a partial set of potential consequences of the outcome if the AMA had not been fighting for our privileges since long before ANY of us joined the hobby. It is based on the facts of what the FAA was proposing before we got section 336 inserted into federal law as well as what part 107 operators face today. When this organization is gone or we lose section 336 which ONLY happened as a result of the AMA's efforts who will stand and fight even half as successfully as the AMA has for your privileges?

Of course you still have the option of operating under the auspices of FAR part 107 which includes every one of the above listed restrictions.

Get involved, get educated about the legal,regulatory, and public relations environment we are in and if you still feel the AMA has let you down start your own group that complies with all the requirements of FAR part 101.41.b. To wit: "The aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization" My money is on very few of the keyboard warriors who rail continuously about the "many failings of the AMA" doing anything but continuing to do more of the same.

Based on my own study and experience after 40 years experience in full scale aviation as well as over 10 years involvement with many aspects of the hobby including many conversations with both AMA and FAA representatives I believe the AMA has earned my dues after over 8 decades of supporting all sectors of the aviation modeling community which continue to this day.

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02-07-2018 05:09 PM  6 months agoPost 144
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02-07-2018 06:21 PM  6 months agoPost 145
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ah... so what.

and Fireworks are illegal within city limits.

but guess what... we see plenty of em every year... why? cops dont care, and most of the time they issue a "verbal" (which means do it somewhere else ).

its also illegal to be in this county "illegally" (as stupid as that sounds) and guess what... we have 12,000,000 ... there still here last time I checked.

So whos gonna enforce all that crap given the overwhelming and more important things law enforcement must deal with... hell most of the time we cant even get a cop to write a ticket when its raining.

case in point... we have 4 game wardens in a south texas county where I go hunting... FOUR and one of em has to stay at the office at any one time... leaving three to patrol 1,200 square mile area... and now we know why a significant portion of hunters dont bother with getting a hunting license... cause the numbers are on their side.

again.
convince me why I should bother renewing AMA when all I do is fly at a field alone (say I fly a 450 too)... and never ever been bothered by anyone nor been a bother to others...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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02-07-2018 10:23 PM  6 months agoPost 146
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again.
convince me why I should bother renewing AMA when all I do is fly at a field alone (say I fly a 450 too)... and never ever been bothered by anyone nor been a bother to others...
Because sometimes it gets boring flying alone ?

and then you renew your ama/maac join a club again .... and then you remember why

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02-07-2018 10:37 PM  6 months agoPost 147
RM3

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Because sometimes it gets boring flying alone ?
yup it sure does...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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02-07-2018 11:37 PM  6 months agoPost 148
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Because sometimes it gets boring flying alone ?
I don't fly alone because I never know what might happen. Don't want to end up like that one guy who was found dead at his field with his heli lying next to him.

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02-07-2018 11:40 PM  6 months agoPost 149
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Don't want to end up like that one guy who was found dead at his field with his heli lying next to him.
Link please ? Never heard of such an incident.....

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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02-07-2018 11:45 PM  6 months agoPost 150
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Link please ? Never heard of such an incident.....
https://www.thelocal.ch/20130711/re...ator-in-lucerne

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02-07-2018 11:47 PM  6 months agoPost 151
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Old news don't have a link
The guy was flying a Hirobo 90 and was struck by the model 1 of the first such incidents back in 05.

Just Google it

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02-08-2018 12:55 AM  6 months agoPost 152
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The guy was flying a Hirobo 90 and was struck by the model 1 of the first such incidents back in 05.
The incident I was referring to was in Switzerland, July 2013. I posted a link above.

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02-08-2018 01:02 AM  6 months agoPost 153
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yes it's unfortunate that there have been a few accidents. I still cringe when I see people doing inverted hurricanes so close to them selves.

allot of times we don't think about the " what if's"

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02-08-2018 01:26 AM  6 months agoPost 154
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Perhaps all the AMA haters who for the most part have zero knowledge of the reality of the AMA's activities for the last 10 or 15 years to protect our privileges in the NAS will be happy when nearly EVERY other organization that plays or makes their living in the NAS gets their way.
+1!

  

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02-08-2018 01:35 AM  6 months agoPost 155
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case in point... we have 4 game wardens in a south texas county where I go hunting... FOUR and one of em has to stay at the office at any one time... leaving three to patrol 1,200 square mile area... and now we know why a significant portion of hunters dont bother with getting a hunting license... cause the numbers are on their side.
Lots of people play the Powerball lottery when the chances of winning are definitely not on their side at about 1 in 292 million.

  

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02-11-2018 12:49 AM  6 months agoPost 156
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Wow that explains allot
The guns are registered.
We should try registering immigrants and criminals to reduce our crime.

www.redstickrc.net ama#: 968515

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02-12-2018 12:52 AM  6 months agoPost 157
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My helis are not illegal, they're just undocumented!

"I'm a dirt torpedo!"

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02-12-2018 02:28 AM  6 months agoPost 158
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My helis are not illegal, they're just undocumented!
Mine are illegal but it's OK. I'm a sanctuary owner.

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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02-12-2018 01:28 PM  6 months agoPost 159
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I am doing this on my next renewal.

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02-12-2018 01:51 PM  6 months agoPost 160
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Mark Ryder
I am doing this on my next renewal.
What you're going to use Marks I.D. ?
Not a bad idea but you better bring a camera just in case

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