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02-06-2018 03:33 PM  8 months agoPost 121
ICUR1-2

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Maybe someday all rc users will have to register, like gun owners

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02-06-2018 03:38 PM  8 months agoPost 122
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Gun owners are not registered! At least not in the USA

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02-06-2018 04:24 PM  8 months agoPost 123
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Gun owners are not registered! At least not in the USA
Wow that explains allot

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02-06-2018 04:28 PM  8 months agoPost 124
gwright

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I distinctly remember when the Drone craze started alot of us tried to tell the AMA that they should not include drones (non-LOS and FPV)... but they chose to ignore that and instead welcome them with open arms... all at about the same time that drones and ONLY drones were responsible for getting the negative attention of the FAA and law enforcement in general.
I don't completely disagree,..however, the FAA, by definition, lumped everything together, so I completely understand the AMA embracing what we call "drones" (multirotors) rather than distancing themselves. The FAA lumped it all together anyway so if the AMA didn't accept them it would have been guilt by association anyway. The faa doesn't mention "drone",.. they call everything we fly Suas, small unmanned ariel systems. the multirotor redneck that hits an airliner is flying an Suas, and we're all flying Suas,.. so we're all the same according to the FAA,......unfortunately.

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02-06-2018 04:29 PM  8 months agoPost 125
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If you think registration is good, talk to a holocaust survivor.

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02-06-2018 04:55 PM  8 months agoPost 126
gwright

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well,.. some states require registration. Typically the states with the most communists,.. I mean socialists,.. I mean liberals,, or is it democrats today...oh,... I can't keep track of what they're calling themselves each week.

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02-06-2018 05:16 PM  8 months agoPost 127
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I want to point out something that seems to be MISSED... When I learned to fly full-scale, the FAA made it clear that all aircraft aren't equal. If I got checked-out in a C-150, I could NOT just jump into a C-150 Aerobat, C-152, C-172 or PA-140, PA-160 ect.. Had to be listed as Type Checked-out for each. NOW all the suddeden, they have AmNeIsia about different craft types & mission duties for RC toys?? And they don't know the diff from a Line Of Sight craft vs a Autonomus OR Remote Camera (FPV) type?? Really???

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02-06-2018 05:43 PM  8 months agoPost 128
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Strange,.. when I got my private in 91 the regs stated (and i believe still do) that single engine land was good for single engine land, as long as it's not high perf(over 200hp) or complex (controllable pitch prop/retracts), and it's under a certain weight. I think that was 12,500lbs, but I forget. any of those caveats, or turbine, required a type rating. Insurance, however, generally requires you to have experience in the type, or be checked out by an instructor , so unless you own(ed) a plane, you rented (we all did), and everywhere you rented from required a checkout for insurance reasons.

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02-06-2018 05:59 PM  8 months agoPost 129
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just looked at latest MODEL AVIATION and on page 84, picture there says the
AMA now offers COMMERCIAL DRONE INSURANCE. Is there any other form of model aviation being offered insurance for COMMERCIAL MONEY MAKING operations. I'm not in favor of supporting this endeavor.

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02-06-2018 08:10 PM  8 months agoPost 130
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well,.. some states require registration. Typically the states with the most communists,.. I mean socialists,.. I mean liberals,, or is it democrats today...oh,... I can't keep track of what they're calling themselves each week.
Dimwits . . .

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02-06-2018 08:12 PM  8 months agoPost 131
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Strange,.. when I got my private in 91 the regs stated (and i believe still do) that single engine land was good for single engine land, as long as it's not high perf(over 200hp) or complex (controllable pitch prop/retracts), and it's under a certain weight. I think that was 12,500lbs, but I forget. any of those caveats, or turbine, required a type rating. Insurance, however, generally requires you to have experience in the type, or be checked out by an instructor , so unless you own(ed) a plane, you rented (we all did), and everywhere you rented from required a checkout for insurance reasons.
Yup . . . I licensed in 1988, and over 200 or pitch prop/retract required nothing more than a "complex" endorsement, not a different license. I did my license in a C182, so could jump in anything legally short of multi or turbine . . .

- Tim

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02-06-2018 08:15 PM  8 months agoPost 132
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I'm not in favour of having to be registered nor do I think it will solve anything. I was just saying that when things get out of hand then they start regulating.

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02-06-2018 11:30 PM  8 months agoPost 133
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tadawson
Yup . . . I licensed in 1988, and over 200 or pitch prop/retract required nothing more than a "complex" endorsement, not a different license. I did my license in a C182, so could jump in anything legally short of multi or turbine . . .

- Tim
I was cheap, flew 150s, but then most cherokees, 172,182 for HP endorsement, arrow for complex endorsement, and the most fun I ever had flyign fullscale was getting a tailwheel endorsement in a champ,..but I digress

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02-06-2018 11:54 PM  8 months agoPost 134
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I bought 1/3 share of a decent 1959 C182 . . . manual everything. Figuring costs, I either got a free license or a free share in the plane compared to renting a C152 . . . Autogas STC anyone?

The 182 alone did complex - variable pitch and over 200HP. Flew an arrow later for retract time, but had no bearing on the endorsement.

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02-07-2018 01:04 AM  8 months agoPost 135
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I did my training on a Piper 1968 PA-28-140 (Hershey bar wing) and subsequent check ride on the 160.......After that, I did most of my flying on a 180 and got cross-checked out on a Cessna 172 due to a friend that had his ticket and preferred the high wing...... He cross trained on the low wing and we switched off flying both for quite a few years. That allowed us to fly the Cessna 150 and 152 as well without any further intervention from an instructor....There was a stint where I also flew a Beech Sundowner in a different club but that again involved in a "check ride" by one of their instructors....

Gary is correct.... my "ticket" says "single engine land"..... which means that anything in a single engine "category" is up for grabs without any further certification from the FAA.... only thing needed was an endorsement from an certified instructor and (as stated), for insurance purposes.... never could justify owning a plane.

There have been many "memorable" moments since the beginning but one that really sticks in my mind is doing the pre-flight check on my very first lesson and having to hand prop that 1968 Cherokee !! Turns out that one of the battery cables needed replacement......

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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02-07-2018 01:54 PM  8 months agoPost 136
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and what does any of this have to do with the AMA???

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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02-07-2018 03:06 PM  8 months agoPost 137
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nothing,.. just a tangential move from the real topic. I apologize that I contributed.

I do, however, think its a bit humorous when i hear complaints about the "high cost" of AMA from those of us in a hobby that costs thousands. There are many benefits as mentioned in various posts in this thread, but when you boil it all down, insurance is the primary benefit. Not being a member is like doing something very enjoyable without protection because the "protection" costs too much.

Gary Wright

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02-07-2018 03:15 PM  8 months agoPost 138
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but when you boil it all down, insurance is the primary benefit.
...if you have no other insurance. which leaves what? the right to fly at an AMA field? The only reason clubs require an AMA card is for the insurance...Cause we all know having a card doesnt mean you have any clue of what your doing. The fields trash can is full of that proof...

Lets for arguments sake remove the insurance aspect of it...

Then what would AMA be good for? Training.... Youtube does it better,... building plans...internet. Flying events/news... Facebook. Scholarships... enough to buy books for one semester.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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02-07-2018 03:17 PM  8 months agoPost 139
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is like doing something very enjoyable without protection

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02-07-2018 03:21 PM  8 months agoPost 140
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FOCUS MARK FOCUS...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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