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02-02-2018 08:53 PM  5 months agoPost 101
revmix

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The AMA is good for boys and girls alike
To operate r/c properly is up to the hobbyists, the membership is just self-serving for the CBO's own survival

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02-02-2018 09:09 PM  5 months agoPost 102
utahbob

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I wonder what the cost would be ..
Without the magazine..

I do a great decending funnel!

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02-02-2018 09:34 PM  5 months agoPost 103
JuanRodriguez

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I wonder what the cost would be ..
Without the magazine..
I don't see that option on their website....

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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02-02-2018 09:45 PM  5 months agoPost 104
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cost without magazine..

$5...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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02-02-2018 09:52 PM  5 months agoPost 105
gwright

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To operate r/c properly is up to the hobbyists, the membership is just self-serving for the CBO's own survival
Sorry but I equate that to saying "staying healthy is each persons responsibility,.. health insurance only serves the insurance company,...i.e. no need for it".

Gary Wright

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02-02-2018 09:57 PM  5 months agoPost 106
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A good few years back, before I had medical insurance. I was attacked by a Trex 600. It came off the bench at the flying field and before I could move it hit my arm. It broke my arm, destroyed the top of my pinky finger so now there is no top joint and gouged a deep gash in my hand. I spent 4 days in the hospital and several more weeks visiting the hand specialist at his clinic. The total cost came to around $30,000.

I claimed against the AMA's insurance as I had none and they paid all of it. As it happens, that was the limit they would pay out for medical claims at that time.

Now I am a life member!

Peter Wales
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02-02-2018 10:21 PM  5 months agoPost 107
revmix

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i.e. no need for it"
mandatory that is, as membership of the n-CBO

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02-02-2018 11:55 PM  5 months agoPost 108
utahbob

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Thanks for sharing your story Peter!
I'm sorry to hear of your accident but glad that the Insurance came through for you!..I was hoping to hear about a more recent occurance and specifics cause I think policies may have changed in the last few yrs...but it's still good to hear it worked out in your favor!

I do a great decending funnel!

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02-03-2018 12:20 AM  5 months agoPost 109
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How much is your auto, home owners, or renters insurance and how often do you file claims?
not really a fair comparison... Every time I register my car I need to show it, get an inspection... every time I get pulled over, I need to prove I have it... when I get a home loan, gotta have it. (the renters is not required)

but since when is it a requirement to have "insurance" to fly a toy... which can be covered by a host of "other" insurances to begin with?

AMA insurance...about as useful as T!ts on a nun...
It's an exact comparison. Insurance is insurance, claims are claims. You buy a policy and you submit claims.

  

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02-03-2018 12:23 AM  5 months agoPost 110
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The AMA has always been, at least in large part, about insurance. As I've said a few times, I've been an AMA member for a while now. Attached are the front and back of the oldest AMA card I could find reasonably quickly. Read the back of the card carefully. Notice the card itself spells out some of the coverage and even gives a phone number to call in and emergency.

My question today is, has the AMA moved too far from its original mission statement? When the attached card was issued, the AMA rented a building in Reston Virginia. There was no museum. There was no magazine. There was no International Aeromodelling Center (IAC). They were able to accomplish their/our mission with just a few people.

I'm not suggesting the AMA doesn't serve a function today. I'm suggesting that they need to be monitored and, if necessary, throttled.

Things I distinctly remember:

- I remember the multi-page BLAST from Don Dewey, publisher of Radio Control Modeler (RCM), when the AMA announced they were going into the magazine business. At that moment the AMA become a competitor to all other modeling magazines. Not surprisingly RCM, and most other magazines, immediately dropped all advertising for the AMA.

- I clearly remember the AMA announcing they were dropping the lease for the building in Reston, VA. Simultaneously they announced they were building a new and much larger facility in Indiana to house offices and staff.

- I personally was disappointed when they announced they had bought a farm and were building "us" a national flying site. It of course was co-located with the new headquarters.

- I remember when the AMA announced they would no longer mail out a rules book with your annual membership. Notice the AMA card from 1978 specifically address entry in AMA events. It was why many (most) of us were AMA members. We were competing in different contest events.

I don't want to be the old guy throwing rocks at the parade as it passes shouting "back in my day". I just think a historical perspective may give the path we are on some direction and magnitude and allow us to consider if it is the right path for organized Aeromodelling in America.

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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02-03-2018 02:26 AM  5 months agoPost 111
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if it is the right path for organized Aeromodelling in America.
what's the reason that the hobbyists have to be in clubs?
before 2012 it wasn't an issue, after sec.336 came this one-size-fits-all idea, now the hobby individual reg.ID is good enough,
why push something that's unwanted by many?

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02-03-2018 03:08 AM  5 months agoPost 112
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I've been part of this club for 20 years now and what I see is people joining the club, learning to fly, and after the first year, never coming back. Either they fly from a field somewhere else, or quit the hobby. We had a club meeting the other day and decided our youngest member was Randy at 55 and the average age was around 70 (our oldest member just died at 105). While we have had 100s of people join the club in the last 20 years, none of them stay.

As I've said before, I have been an AMA member for a long time and will continue to join. I personally see the benefit of the AMAs umbrella insurance. Many others do not and given the choice of being forced to pay AMA dues or leave the club, they leave.
This is the a common theme that many clubs complain about. They usually always place the blame on the individuals for leaving.

However, what we never hear about is:

What have the clubs done to retain these members? Have they created a friendly and welcoming environment? Do they have picnics to engage the members? Do they reach out to members to encourage them to participate? I'm not talking about sending an email, I'm talking about phone call. Does the club rotate jobs/responsibilities among the new members or do they always go to the same guy who has been doing it for forever. Does the club do any active recruiting or does it just pray new members will show up? Many companies even conduct exit interviews to find out why people leave. Does your club do that?

Few realize it, even fewer are willing to contribute, but a club is a small business. You need to keep your customers happy and you need to be on the constant lookout for new customers. Waiting for new customers to walk in the door is a recipe for disaster.

As a club officer myself for a club with a high income/expense ratio and a small capped membership I am always, I repeat always, on the lookout for potential members.

  

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02-03-2018 07:21 PM  5 months agoPost 113
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IMO AMA does a pretty good job. Is it too expensive? Beats me, I have no idea what the insurance part is as opposed to all the rest. I personally know a few years back when a Heli flew into a parked car at our field, AMA covered it. That's all the details I know. Wether it was secondary or any other details I'm not sure. I have been to IRCHA twice a few years back and was pretty impressed with the facility. I don't mind paying what they ask. It's worth it to me. If the people we elected to run it decided to do nothing and keep the old status quo, where we were only paying for insurance, I'm pretty sure we'd have a thread about the slugs doing nothing at AMA.

I don't like they way they present their "advocacy" in the magazine. It seems like their message is "without us you wouldn't be able to fly" . While this may or may not be true, I don't like it.

Jeff

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02-05-2018 04:00 PM  5 months agoPost 114
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I think its funny people will go ape **** paying an extra $10 for AMA..... then probably turn around and drop $2000 on a new heli this year.

Oh the irony....

I dont care either way, I bought a life years ago so I am set.

-Jeremy
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02-05-2018 06:25 PM  5 months agoPost 115
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I bought a life years ago so I am set.
Got a link? I could use another

spending time, paying attention

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02-05-2018 07:05 PM  5 months agoPost 116
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How much is your auto, home owners, or renters insurance and how often do you file claims?
not really a fair comparison... Every time I register my car I need to show it, get an inspection... every time I get pulled over, I need to prove I have it... when I get a home loan, gotta have it. (the renters is not required)

but since when is it a requirement to have "insurance" to fly a toy... which can be covered by a host of "other" insurances to begin with?

AMA insurance...about as useful as T!ts on a nun...
It's an exact comparison. Insurance is insurance, claims are claims. You buy a policy and you submit claims.
C'MON... its not, its BS...

I can go fly at an open public field (not a club) and fly my heli, and a police officer can come by and say what? Let me see your AMA "insurance"? PAAAALLLLEEEEEZE.

its not required to fly ANY model, thats my argument... as it is not required to have for any toy model nor to build your own.

But buy a house, buy a vehicle and you need it...

so not a straight comparison based on the fact that you dont need it to fly any toy.

So why should I get AMA? cause i 'may' need it? for what? I got 4 different insurances that cover me... is it good... yeah if you dont got insurance. but you dont need it to fly anywhere other than at a club site.

and what percentage of people that fly any model actually do so at a club field?
What have the clubs done to retain these members? Have they created a friendly and welcoming environment? Do they have picnics to engage the members? Do they reach out to members to encourage them to participate? I'm not talking about sending an email, I'm talking about phone call. Does the club rotate jobs/responsibilities among the new members or do they always go to the same guy who has been doing it for forever. Does the club do any active recruiting or does it just pray new members will show up? Many companies even conduct exit interviews to find out why people leave. Does your club do that?
um... NO, NO, NEVER, NOPE, NOT WHEN I left...

AMA is no longer a non-profit organization by virtue of their actions...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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02-05-2018 11:46 PM  5 months agoPost 117
utahbob

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Sorry if I ruffled any feathers with my OP
I won't be plunking any $ this year on a new model..I'm 62..the same age my Dad was when he cashed in his chips..so a life membership Is out of the question.I had to take a lower paying job a couple of yrs. Ago so I could have enough energy left after working every day to take care of my 99 yr. Old mom. What I was trying to learn from a consensus of heli pilots;is aside from the magazine subscription..how many of you feel the AMA helped us or hurt us in their dealings with the FAA..The Insurance aspect is still puzzling..I don't think they would ever re-imberse me cause I fly out in the BFE; and If I had my own heli hit me..I don't see them paying for that..Anybody know of a "funfly" accident that was covered?

I do a great decending funnel!

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02-06-2018 02:06 PM  5 months agoPost 118
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how many of you feel the AMA helped us or hurt us in their dealings with the FAA
I distinctly remember when the Drone craze started alot of us tried to tell the AMA that they should not include drones (non-LOS and FPV)... but they chose to ignore that and instead welcome them with open arms... all at about the same time that drones and ONLY drones were responsible for getting the negative attention of the FAA and law enforcement in general.

IMHO the AMA did little to nothing on the FAA front... Ive read more happening as a result of individual suits against the FAA than anything the AMA has managed to do...

All the AMA has done is to increase its own operating expenses for its own interest over that of the purity of the hobby and its members... all on the members dime no less. Yet somehow they play this game of stating that they represent us. That to me is a slippery slope.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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02-06-2018 02:12 PM  5 months agoPost 119
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It never seems to fail. Add allot of money and all organizations get corrupted.

spending time, paying attention

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02-06-2018 02:35 PM  5 months agoPost 120
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AMA is in the hobby-business for the dough & they want the dues from the "rogue" hobbyists

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