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02-01-2018 10:15 PM  5 months agoPost 81
gwright

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Chris is a really bright guy,.. very nice, and knows his stuff. Really good heli pilot... also fixed wing . If you want him to cover something in the mag just let him know, he'd probably be happy to get ideas. Remember though it's several months from writing to publishing. He's probably allready submitted the next month or two of articles, so if he takes a suggestion you won't see it immediately.

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02-02-2018 12:55 AM  5 months agoPost 82
Ace Dude

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I won't debate the merits of AMA but will make a note that the rate went from 56 to 75, a 33% increase.

What I don't see is a discount for opting for the digital magazine, which is a savings to them from printing and distribution.

While some say it's still cheap, I wonder if the same folks would be "ok" if all their other insurance coverages did the same.

The only thing that satisfies goverment nonsense is taxing it.
That's also after going 13 years without an increase. How many of your "other insurance" policies did the same?

Additional details regarding the increase can be found here?

http://www.modelaircraft.org/membershipfaqs.aspx

  

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02-02-2018 02:53 AM  5 months agoPost 83
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All that says is "get your money into us now before rates go up" they have gone up every year since this FAA thing started. They are not showing where they are fighting the FAA in court and winning but they want to raise the dues every year. I kind of want to know where my money is going. they are how many thousand members strong at 85 bucks a piece? lot of money going into someones pocket is what I think.

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02-02-2018 03:53 AM  5 months agoPost 84
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Just what I was thinking when I posted the question
How many heli pilots here have made a claim and got reimbursed for their accident..I don't think any answered back..even though it's a "non-profit" org.; people make their living from it.."second rule of the insurance Bizz" create a feeling of vulnerability in your potential customers.It's believed by some that the AMA tried to insert itself between the FAA and the customer base (that's us) to get a bigger slice O' the pie.I don't see this as a "being cheap" thing at all..Do they have any price breakdown info. available..could we trust it?

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02-02-2018 11:48 AM  5 months agoPost 85
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How excessive would you find the $75 annual fee (not $84.95) if we didn't have AMA flying fields to play with our toys in a controlled, accepted by the government environment? For some reason $50 always rang fine with me but that wasn't based on anything except my comfort. If the AMA needs $75, as long as they're not using the increases for corporate benefits, excessive salaries, and stupid stuff only the AMA office people benefit from, so be it. It's $75 to belong to my local club. It's $75 to belong to AMA. I get a political voice, insurance and don't have to go lobby the FAA myself.

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02-02-2018 12:13 PM  5 months agoPost 86
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Just what I was thinking when I posted the question
How many heli pilots here have made a claim and got reimbursed for their accident..I don't think any answered back..even though it's a "non-profit" org.; people make their living from it.."second rule of the insurance Bizz" create a feeling of vulnerability in your potential customers.It's believed by some that the AMA tried to insert itself between the FAA and the customer base (that's us) to get a bigger slice O' the pie.I don't see this as a "being cheap" thing at all..Do they have any price breakdown info. available..could we trust it?
How much is your auto, home owners, or renters insurance and how often do you file claims?

Why not become an AMA life member? When the dues increase occurred the life member fee stayed the same so the break even point went from 25 to 20 years. Add on dues increases over time and it's even shorter than that (may depend on your age).

  

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02-02-2018 01:18 PM  5 months agoPost 87
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Why not become an AMA life member? When the dues increase occurred the life member fee stayed the same so the break even point went from 25 to 20 years. Add on dues increases over time and it's even shorter than that (may depend on your age).
I would never do that now as I do not feel confident in 20 years if AMA will still be around.

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02-02-2018 01:38 PM  5 months agoPost 88
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Gary, I really like Chris, I tells you like it is. Very smart and is a great pliot. And a synergy man, good in my books

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02-02-2018 01:58 PM  5 months agoPost 89
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Many many years ago there was a tv show on pbs called RCTV I did the heli tips and builder corner for airplanes. And fly everything on the show. Its very hard to come up with thing to print or show on tv. Even harder to get company's to donate stuff for the show.

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02-02-2018 02:04 PM  5 months agoPost 90
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How much is your auto, home owners, or renters insurance and how often do you file claims?
not really a fair comparison... Every time I register my car I need to show it, get an inspection... every time I get pulled over, I need to prove I have it... when I get a home loan, gotta have it. (the renters is not required)

but since when is it a requirement to have "insurance" to fly a toy... which can be covered by a host of "other" insurances to begin with?

AMA insurance...about as useful as T!ts on a nun...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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02-02-2018 02:10 PM  5 months agoPost 91
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02-02-2018 02:14 PM  5 months agoPost 92
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02-02-2018 03:09 PM  5 months agoPost 93
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Yeah... I think I found the problem...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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02-02-2018 04:11 PM  5 months agoPost 94
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Yeah... I think I found the problem...

RM3... I've thought about it and I think many of us are making the same points even if we seem to be on opposite sides of the discussion. Personally, I see value to the AMA and choose join. But I also see an organization that is losing touch with its core.

Many seem to focus on the side that suggests the AMA is drifting towards becoming a self-serving bloated bureaucracy, see poor value, and chose not to join. Some only see an organization that has been formed to speak for us modelers with one voice and wonder why someone wouldn't join.

I believe both are can be correct at the same time. I believe in the principal of the AMA but believe it up to the membership to very carefully monitor fraud, waste and abuse. For me the solution has been to join but also be attentive to the direction the AMA is headed. In short, I pay my dues but I'm also critical.

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02-02-2018 06:07 PM  5 months agoPost 95
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I’ve had AMA for over 20 years ,I’ve had house fire and hit by another members plane . AMA was like any other insurance when you make a claim . AMA wants you to use home owners or auto and after that or if you do not have primary insurance they handle claim .
I don’t care about that part , I like the fact AMA sets a standard for flying sites for safe flying as well as all the red tape with government . The membership is worth it and people waste more money for less .

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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02-02-2018 06:25 PM  5 months agoPost 96
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There are many factors that determine the health of an organization like the AMA. In previous posts on this forum, staff costs have been used as one of the reason why the AMA is failing in it's mission. I think the assumption is the AMA is paying too much for their staff? Did I sum that up correctly?

What do you think most AMA members would consider is an acceptable percent of revenue that should be used to pay for staff? Many membership based non-profits consider 33% to be acceptable.

I don't know much about the AMA but let me offer another way to look at staff costs as it relates generally to non-profits. If the AMA is similar to most membership based non-profits than it's staff is employed by it's membership and they are governed by elected board of directors and all budgetary items including staff salaries must be approved by the board.

It's worth considering that there are many economic factors that have impacted the cost of doing business especially when it comes to attracting, maintaining, and keeping staff. There's no doubt that staff costs of many if not most non-profit organizations have risen. A non-profit, especially one like the AMA has an obligation to service members and remain relevant. If it fails in this it will fail as an organization - which has come into question many times on this forum. I suspect the question this forum is really trying to answer is if the AMA is still relevant?

In any case, it's critical for non-profits to pay competitive salaries and benefits so they can attract and maintain staff. This has gotten hard to do because of factors like inflation and health care costs which have increased each year. For example, inflation on average has gone up 2% per year since 2002. That's a 30% increase for the years represented in the chart and this doesn't account for benefits like medical which have far outpaced inflation. Most businesses provide COLAs to account for inflation and I would expect the AMA to do so as well. If at the same time, the AMA's revenue has remained flat or decreased - which I think it has - the percentage AMA pays to it's employees will show as an increase. Could this in part be what's going on?

Without staff nothing gets done. So it's a difficult dilemma. Do you cut staff which usually results in cutting services to members in order to maintain the same staff costs to revenue ratio? What about dues? Have the AMA's dues increased with inflation or have they remained relatively static? If costs are going up but dues are static than the staff cost to revenue ratio will not remain the same.

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02-02-2018 06:42 PM  5 months agoPost 97
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it's critical for non-profits to pay competitive salaries and benefits so they can attract and maintain staff.
yes... however the graphs on the 990 indicates that staffing costs are becoming an ever bigger portion against their revenue... At this rate they will reach a point in which they will have two choices: 1) raise fees or 2) cut salaries. and both are bad for the AMA at either end. Raise fees and more people leave, cut salaries and the AMA looses talent which results in a failed organization...

Are there any other organizations that do what the AMA does?

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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02-02-2018 06:51 PM  5 months agoPost 98
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the graphs on the 990 indicates that staffing costs are becoming an ever bigger portion against their revenue
hence the push for mandatory membership via Congress

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02-02-2018 07:44 PM  5 months agoPost 99
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At this rate they will reach a point in which they will have two choices: 1) raise fees or 2) cut salaries.
The push for mandatory membership via lobbying Congress has nothing to do with safely operating r/c but all about the nonprofit tax-free dough

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02-02-2018 08:16 PM  5 months agoPost 100
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AMA insurance?
We dont need no stinking AMA insurance!
My insurance are my legs.. Car or property gets hit with my heli, I run like hell..
Just kidding.. The AMA is good for boys and girls alike

Its all earth!

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