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01-31-2018 03:27 PM  4 months agoPost 61
revmix

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if r/c is operated in accordance with safety guidelines then secondary insurance is not relevant, membership=who's your daddy

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01-31-2018 03:49 PM  4 months agoPost 62
wjvail

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It's really rather simple. If you want to be part of the AMA then join. If you don't, then don't.
Robert... While I agree there are things to be worried about here, I don't agree things are as simple as you suggest. I live in a comparatively poor part of the country. We have a friendly club of about 20 members that meet every Sunday afternoon to play with our toys. That part really is simple.

Here is what is being discussed and here is where I don't see things as being as straight forward as you suggest... The person that negotiated the use of a field of weeds for use as our model aircraft superplex promised the land owner we would be an AMA field. Our club dues are $50 bucks a year but you can't fly with us unless you also pay the AMA another $75. It'll cost you $125 (every year) to get airborne with that first trainer at our low budget outfit. Not joining the AMA is NOT an option - not if you want to be in the club. A potential new member's only option at that point is to learn to fly by himself in the next field over.

I've been part of this club for 20 years now and what I see is people joining the club, learning to fly, and after the first year, never coming back. Either they fly from a field somewhere else, or quit the hobby. We had a club meeting the other day and decided our youngest member was Randy at 55 and the average age was around 70 (our oldest member just died at 105). While we have had 100s of people join the club in the last 20 years, none of them stay.

As I've said before, I have been an AMA member for a long time and will continue to join. I personally see the benefit of the AMAs umbrella insurance. Many others do not and given the choice of being forced to pay AMA dues or leave the club, they leave.

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01-31-2018 04:20 PM  4 months agoPost 63
wjvail

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if r/c is operated in accordance with safety guidelines then secondary insurance is not relevant, membership=who's your daddy
Not true. Not even a little true. Dangerously not true.

The AMA says 1/2 of their claims don't involve models. The last major claim I read of was an instance were a club was trying to limit access to its field and did so by stringing a cable across the access road. My understanding is that that lead to the death (and near decapitation) of a kid on a motorcycle that passed through some time later. Now the land owner, club and AMA is in a law suit and there isn't a model in sight.

Let me make up a possible scenario. My 12-year-old son is fat and dimwitted and irritates most people - including his mother. In an effort to give her some peace, I take him to the flying field (where he irritates the membership). Last month, while I took a whiz, he wandered off and, because he is dimwitted, whacked a hornet's nest with a stick. Because he is fat, and slow, he got stung about 30 times. He puffed up even more than usual and we had to take him to the emergency room.

Someone is going to pay for this. Who do you think will pay and how will they pay for it? Typically, high on the list is the God Damn land owner that lent us the use of his field and who was too thoughtless to remove all hornet's nests.

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01-31-2018 04:31 PM  4 months agoPost 64
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wjvail
Here is what is being discussed and here is where I don't see things as being as straight forward as you suggest... The person that negotiated the use of a field of weeds for use as our model aircraft superplex promised the land owner we would be an AMA field. Our club dues are $50 bucks a year but you can't fly with us unless you also pay the AMA another $75. It'll cost you $125 (every year) to get airborne with that first trainer at our low budget outfit. Not joining the AMA is NOT an option - not if you want to be in the club. A potential new member's only option at that point is to learn to fly by himself in the next field over.

I've been part of this club for 20 years now and I see people joining the club, learning to fly, and after the first year, never coming back. Either they fly from a field somewhere else, or quit the hobby. We had a club meeting the other day and decided our youngest member was Randy at 55 and the average age was around 70 (our oldest member just died at 105). While we have had 100s of people join the club in the last 20 years, none of them stay.

As I've said in the past, I have been a member for a long time and will continue to join. I personally see the benefit of the AMAs umbrella insurance. Many others do not and given the choice of being forced to pay AMA dues or leave the club, they leave.
An excellent synopsis of what is probably happening at many clubs across the land.

Steve

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01-31-2018 04:41 PM  4 months agoPost 65
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we had (when I was in the club) no more than 4 members under the age of 40... most were in their 60s. guys under 30 didnt mingle well and were often seen as hot shots. So they didnt stay in the club for long, most of the time it was due to military moves and deployments.

but other clubs I saw similar climates... most guys were well past 50.

I talked to a young local (in 20s?) flying a drone in my neighborhood and asked if he was a club member during our short conversation... his response was "what for?"

I imagined if the conversation would have gone onto about AMA membership it too would have been a "what for" as far as he was concerned...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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01-31-2018 04:53 PM  4 months agoPost 66
revmix

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what for
there's no need for membership-club for hobbyists tinkering with r/c on their properties & only the NAS is involved, so the hobby reg.ID is good enough

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01-31-2018 04:58 PM  4 months agoPost 67
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Pay the $1,500 for the life time membership.
If you are in your 30's, it pays for itself
If you are in your 60's... not so much.

Believe 1/2 of what you see and none of what you hear.
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01-31-2018 05:06 PM  4 months agoPost 68
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Pay the $1,500 for the life time membership.
If you are in your 30's, it pays for itself
ask a millennial to dump $1,500 on a one time membership fee? for benefits they will likely never use? good luck with that.

this group is the whole whats in it for me and right now...

unless they're saving the whales or protesting big oil while boating around in a diesel...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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01-31-2018 05:11 PM  4 months agoPost 69
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wjvail
Let me make up a possible scenario. My 12 year old son is fat and dimwitted and irritates most people - including his mother. In an effort to give her some peace, I take him to the flying field (where he irritates the membership). Last month, while I took a wiz, he wandered off and, because he is dimwitted, wacked a hornets nest with a stick. Because he is fat and slow, he got stung about 30 times. He puffed up even more than usual and we had to take him to the emergency room.

Someone is going to pay for this. Who do you think will pay and how will they pay for it? Typically high on the list is the God Damn land owner that lent us the use of his field and who was too thoughtless to remove all hornets nests.
LMAO
This is just too funny to pass up but I'll play along for the sake of fun and speculation as it's a little too windy to play outside.

Mmm...he became your responsibility the microsecond you decided to not pull out and then left him alone to wander with no supervision, specially knowing he is dimwitted and irritating. Better off taking him to McDonald's to further perpetuate his girth and just leave him in their unsanitary playground and walk away. If you're lucky, he might catch something uncurable that will make him forget his name and address.

Thanks for the laughter.

Also, thanks for previous PM reply. It seems no one was interested in the final details of your field mishap experience.

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01-31-2018 05:16 PM  4 months agoPost 70
wjvail

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Pay the $1,500 for the life time membership.
If you are in your 30's, it pays for itself
If you are in your 60's... not so much.
Had I known in the mid '60s that I'd still be alive and flying models today, I might have taken your advice. That is if the AMA offered life time memberships back then... and if I had $1,500.

I wonder, if we were all life time members, would the AMA respond at all to our needs and requests? I mean they have all the dues they are ever going to collect from you - and you can't quit. Why should they listen to you?

Are you sure you want to commit to a lifetime membership?

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01-31-2018 05:27 PM  4 months agoPost 71
Pistol Pete

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FWIW
For those young enought and (remotely) considering going the lifetime route, it can be paid in 4 equal payments spread over 4 years.

Personally I go the 2 year at a time which now is $140 and opt for the paper magazine.

Being a homeowner and having VA medical coverage, I dont foresee ever making a claim to the AMA but do enjoy having an exclusive flying area with no wandering dogs or irritating and dimwitted kids.

The friends I made with the common interest is in itself priceless.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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01-31-2018 05:32 PM  4 months agoPost 72
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wjvail
Not true
r/c can't be operated directly above people, structures, vehicles & that leaves only the open fields to fly sUAS, so operating by the safety guidance then the hobby-insurance is just a trick

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01-31-2018 06:18 PM  4 months agoPost 73
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wjvail
My 12 year old son is fat and dimwitted and irritates most people - including his mother. In an effort to give her some peace, I take him to the flying field (where he irritates the membership). Last month, while I took a wiz, he wandered off and, because he is dimwitted, wacked a hornets nest with a stick. Because he is fat and slow, he got stung about 30 times. He puffed up even more than usual and we had to take him to the emergency room.

Someone is going to pay for this. Who do you think will pay and how will they pay for it? Typically high on the list is the God Damn land owner that lent us the use of his field and who was too thoughtless to remove all hornets nests.
Hilarious! For a second, I honestly thought he might really be your son. He sounds like a kid that always seems to get left behind in the grocery store, but then after several calls over the store intercom, the parents reluctantly come back to get him.

On a serious note, you articulate your point very well. Thank you for your insightful input. I enjoy reading your posts.

Mellisa

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01-31-2018 06:47 PM  4 months agoPost 74
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wjvail
Let me make up a possible scenario.
stick with reality, neither membership nor insurance is on the books, so no problem if within the safety code

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02-01-2018 05:57 AM  4 months agoPost 75
Doublah

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Gary Wright.

Not sure you saw my post earlier or you maybe ignoring about you working for Hobbico (Tower Hobbies) but your thoughts on how AMA played on the Chapter 11 bankruptcy and possibly your job or alot of others?

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02-01-2018 12:22 PM  4 months agoPost 76
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Gary Wright.

Not sure you saw my post earlier or you maybe ignoring about you working for Hobbico (Tower Hobbies) but your thoughts on how AMA played on the Chapter 11 bankruptcy and possibly your job or alot of others?
AMA was not in any way a factor with Hobbico's current situation. Yes I work at Hobbico in product development, and we're still developing products.

Gary Wright

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02-01-2018 03:40 PM  4 months agoPost 77
wjvail

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revmix
wjvail
Let me make up a possible scenario.
stick with reality, neither membership nor insurance is on the books, so no problem if within the safety code
???

Anyway...

I like your style. Stick to the facts. "I do not entertain hypotheticals. The world as it is is vexing enough." Go with the first example - the decapitation example. It is reality.

Watch at YouTube

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02-01-2018 06:00 PM  4 months agoPost 78
Pistol Pete

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Seems really excessive..anybody here ever make a claim for insurance benefit and or collect on it?..aside from being allowed to fly at a few events the magazine has been the only benefit of my 23 yrs. Membership; maybe we should start a heli-only "community based" organization to satisfy any Govt. Nonsense.
I won't debate the merits of AMA but will make a note that the rate went from 56 to 75, a 33% increase.

What I don't see is a discount for opting for the digital magazine, which is a savings to them from printing and distribution.

While some say it's still cheap, I wonder if the same folks would be "ok" if all their other insurance coverages did the same.

The only thing that satisfies goverment nonsense is taxing it.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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02-01-2018 06:50 PM  4 months agoPost 79
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"84.95"
I have mixed feeling here,

I do think it's a bit much, and rather a dangerous flyer or safe flyer, or a PeeWee flyer or a Half-Scale flyer or a 200 MPH flyer "all" flyers are put into the same category for that price, yet at the same time I can also understand that the AMA has a lot to stand up for, and of course Lawyers cost a lot and their price goes up every year

Jim
Buzz Buzz Buzz

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02-01-2018 07:13 PM  4 months agoPost 80
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I pay it gladly, I fly a lot of demos for my club, are pres, contact ama to make sure we all have insurance. I read the magazine from cover to cover, some there is some neat stuff, like the radios of the 50s, pretty cool. The heli section I read, he's human and makes mistakes too. Not an easy job to find things to write about each month. And every club has there cheap few, cry about everything. They buy the cheapest stuff then complain when they crash, one put 15c 2200 in his and gets pissed when the battery puffs or catch's fire when they call for at least 35c. He told me if he puts 2 battery's together it double the like 2 2200 15c = 30c. I said good luck and he fried it. But it had to be, he knows everything.

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