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01-30-2018 05:07 PM  7 months agoPost 41
gwright

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Danny Calderone
wjvail
5. This should be number one. It is cheap insurance. The AMA says 50% of all claims don't involve model aircraft. It is nice to be able to ask a land owner to use his field and tell him you have insurance. Move this to the top.
I do believe the AMA insurance only covers you when flying at an actual AMA recognized flying site. Correct me if I recall incorrectly...
This was a response from the AMA to this question. I've seen it asked many times over the years. Keep in mind, you have to have permission of the landowner, and you need to abide by the AMA safety code https://www.modelaircraft.org/files/105.pdf. You also need your FAA number on or in each model, just like you have to have a tag on your car to show it's registered. If I were an insurance company I'd surely deny any claim if the model isn't registered as required.

"There is no requirement that a member be flying at an AMA chartered club field for AMA's general liability protection to be in place. As long as the member is flying on a site with the permission of the landowner the member is protected. While the Safety Code does require all flying be done in front of the safety line, there is no requirement that this line be any sort of physical structure. I can't think of a recent specific incident where a claim was filed at a non club field setting, I suspect that virtually 90% of the claims resulting here involve some type of property damage."

Gary Wright

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01-30-2018 05:10 PM  7 months agoPost 42
wjvail

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Dude. ONE simple click of the mouse gets you ALL the information one might need....
Dude. So the question was, "Does AMA insurance cover you if you're not at an AMA field?". Using your one click, what is the answer?

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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01-30-2018 05:20 PM  7 months agoPost 43
niyot

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I just typed "claim" on the search bar on the AMA website and a "How to report an insurance claim" .pdf popped up providing details of the claims process.
So it is there.

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01-30-2018 05:31 PM  7 months agoPost 44
ssmith512

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YOU asked THIS question......
wjvail
Using the link below, what tab would you click on to file a claim?
I answered your question. The Manual has all of the information needed to get any questions you, or anyone else, may have concerning coverage.

Steve

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01-30-2018 06:17 PM  7 months agoPost 45
wjvail

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Look. I'm not arguing the AMA doesn't provide insurance. I'm not arguing they don't pay claims. Actually, I'm suggesting just the opposite. I've suggested that of the 11 items previously offered as benefits to AMA membership, #5, insurance, is the only one of real value to most modelers.

I don't know about other clubs but ours is periodically staffed by members that have no ability to fly, crash 3 airplanes a weekend, and each generation of aircraft gets larger and larger. At some point they are shelling the field with big scary planes they have no business flying.

I have not filed a claim myself but we have had club members file claims on my behalf. I know from personal experience it can be done. See the attached photos. That is my Party Van and I was sitting on the bumper when this happened. Fortunately I (along with everyone else) was paying attention when this individual took off. I manged to step out of the way at the last moment or I would have been badly injured. I know the AMA provides insurance. I'm suggesting they lead with that. It should be on the home page and the conditions for its use should be simple for all to understand.

Further, I don't deny that somewhere under the umbrella of "http://www.modelaircraft.org" the answer to most questions can be found.

Below is a more comprehensive list of things the AMA does. As you scroll through the the list, ask yourself, if your neighbor wanted to try model airplanes, how many of these things would be of value to him/her? One of the perks of AMA membership is "More than 50 full-time staff members dedicated to serving all aspects of aeromodeling interests". Of the 330 million potential modelers living in America, how many would find this to be a perk and make them reach for $85?
http://www.modelaircraft.org/member...p/overview.aspx

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01-30-2018 06:38 PM  7 months agoPost 46
RappyTappy

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you are that cheap maybe model aviation isn't for you
Isn't model aviation about fun, not about who spends the most?

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01-30-2018 06:53 PM  7 months agoPost 47
RM3

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they are shelling the field with big scary planes they have no business flying.
funny way of putting it...

this is one reason I avoid my local club field. one of the last days I went (over a year ago now) we had a plank knife edge 2' AGL behind the pilot boxes... It just seemed to me like the place was chaos and not a place for helis... Some days were ok... and those were when no one was there.

The club may be AMA sanctioned... but they sure as hell dont abide by AMA on most days it would seem.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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01-30-2018 06:57 PM  7 months agoPost 48
Ladymagic

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wjvail
how many would find this to be a perk and make them reach for $85?
Well said..

I am a member simply as a requirement to fly at my current site. Otherwise, I find very little use for any of the other services.

I get the eMagazine which almost always gets deleted from my inbox before it even gets opened. There is rarely anything of interest to read about and when there is, it's usually a drab and dryly written collection of paragraphs.

It's obvious their strong point is airplanes...usually warbirds which is cool, but I love helis. When they do speak of helis..it's usually a basic "how to" or "how it works" article using some out of date machine like a Kyosho Concept using a pizo gyro as an example.

Outside of that, I get mailings asking me to vote for a bunch of crusty old guys I don't know, jocking for prez, VP, or treasurer...none of which I care anything about.

Is AMA membership worth it? For insurance maybe...for the other "perks" nah, not so much.

I look at AMA more as a prepaid entry fee to access some of the nicer sites. That in itself makes it worth it since so many sites and events require an AMA membership.

AMA seems out of touch with the market. Sometimes I feel like they are stuck in the 90s (same as Towerhobbies) and their articles tend to reflect that. Maybe they just need some young blood to get in there and shake things up.

Mellisa

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01-30-2018 07:15 PM  7 months agoPost 49
Pistol Pete

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wjvail
I have not filed a claim myself but we have had club members file claims on my behalf.
You just cant leave us hanging.

When did this happen and what was the final outcome on the insurance side of it all?

Knowing that AMA coverage is secondary to your homeowners and or car insurance (?), I wonder.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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01-30-2018 07:25 PM  7 months agoPost 50
Pistol Pete

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By the way, took a gander at the SIG link...

http://www.modelaircraft.org/membership/sig.aspx

...as racing planes (I'm a Lancair afficionado) is something that has always interested me until I clicked on this one

Scale Warplane Racing Association
http://www.swraracing.com

Maybe it can be done with a drone instead?

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01-30-2018 10:59 PM  7 months agoPost 51
cmartin

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Nope, don’t want it, don’t need it.

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01-31-2018 01:09 AM  7 months agoPost 52
utahbob

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A spirited debate ensued
I'm not cheap..but It's pretty much a given that the only thing I will get is a magazine full of advertising aimed at mostly fixed wing pilots and a heli column; let's face it heli's don't need runways..hence a lot of us fly at unimproved locations that would never be "approved" by AMA if an accident occurred. We all know the #1 rule in insurance..take as much $ as you can and pay out as little as you can. My Question was really about the increase being tied to the hysteria and proliferation of "drone type" aircraft..why do we have to get lumped in and get gouged because our hobby is remotely (no pun) related to that situation. If so many more "pilots" are flying r/c aircraft..shouldn't the costs go down?.

I do a great decending funnel!

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01-31-2018 01:53 AM  7 months agoPost 53
JuanRodriguez

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utahbob
let's face it heli's don't need runways..hence a lot of us fly at unimproved locations that would never be "approved" by AMA if an accident occurred.
That’s total BS.... all you need is the property owner’s permission to be there and the AMA insurance would apply just as it would at an AMA “approved” site . A pretty large group of us did so years ago on two separate private “unimproved” properties with no issues whatsoever. Part of that group included Ray Stacy. I’m sure you’ve heard of his son Kyle Stacy ?? Kyle was too young to fly back in those days .....

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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01-31-2018 02:03 AM  7 months agoPost 54
banshee rider

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Rampant is ignorance this thread is
most of you people with your sorry a$$ excuses for not ponying up
probably think the NRA doe's nothing either

The AMA is the only game in town that doe's anything for us
whether you think they do a crap job or not

What they do is better than anything you cheapskates have ever done for the hobby

Which is nothing but whine about a lousy $75.00

ageing is manditory maturity is optional

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01-31-2018 02:40 AM  7 months agoPost 55
utahbob

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Sima-down-naa
Don't really see any reason to get hot under the collar and start name callin..are some of you posters employed in the hobby business and feel threatened when the customer questions a significant price increase? ..

I do a great decending funnel!

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01-31-2018 03:58 AM  7 months agoPost 56
helitom

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Passing on AMA because you fly alone/or with a couple of guys in a field somewhere? I personally get a charge of going to my club field, BSing with the guys, learning something new, helping others, and on and on.

In any case, the notion that the AMA is nothing more than insurance and a magazine needs to be given a little more thought. No long ago the drone situation got so bad that the idiots inside the DC beltway decided they needed to, "do something about it". Hence the FAA was inserted. The freaking FAA into toy airplanes and helicopters - what could go wrong??? What single person reading any of this topic would have gone to DC, pull strings, cry on sympathetic shoulders, present facts, and at least got some relief for all of us from what could have been? Lemme guess - NO ONE. But, the AMA did it.

Oh yea; need some long green to help fix a club flying field? Who you gonna call besides the AMA?

The older I get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.

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01-31-2018 03:09 PM  7 months agoPost 57
RGorham

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Keyboard chatter
It's really rather simple. If you want to be part of the AMA then join. If you don't, then don't.

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01-31-2018 03:14 PM  7 months agoPost 58
doorman

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Insurance
There will always be those that say insurance isn't needed.. and maybe they will be lucky enough to never need it!! All that I can say about that is, good luck.
The AMA is a lot more then insurance though.. they have fought for years to preserve our rights to fly our models, fixed or rotary.. and they continue to fight those that will attempt to stop us to clear the airspace for uses other then ours.
It has always amazed me when people complain about club dues, and AMA. In most cases the cost is less then dinner and a movie, and it lasts for a full year..
I have one question.
What does your auto insurance run you for the year. You pay it and hope you never need it,and how about homeowners insurance??
I have been a member of the AMA since the early 70's. I have never had to make a claim, but I am OK with that.. I go to the AMA flying site for the NATS & IRCHA,so I do get other usage.. I also go to several AMA sanctioned events throughout the season.. so,maybe I just take it for granted that the fee is not that much when I compare it to the fun and enjoyment I get from my membership.

JMHO

Stan

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01-31-2018 03:22 PM  7 months agoPost 59
wjvail

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helitom
What single person reading any of this topic would have gone to DC, pull strings, cry on sympathetic shoulders, present facts, and at least got some relief for all of us from what could have been? Lemme guess - NO ONE. But, the AMA did it.
Yea? They pulled strings for us? Really? And how did that go? If I remember correctly the FAA utterly ignored the AMA. Not only did the FAA ignore the AMA, it ignored Congress and plowed ahead with mandatory registration of models.

At that point it was up to a single individual person named John Taylor ("...possibly reading any of this topic...") to file a lawsuit against the FAA pointing out their missteps. The AMA didn't. The AMA was silent. John won his law suit and we were all given relief from mandatory registration*.

https://jrupprechtlaw.com/reichert-...-action-lawsuit

* Important note... The FAA, embarrassed by their failure to mandate registration for 9oz models, passed new laws under the guise of "National Defense" and reinstated registration requirements.

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01-31-2018 03:26 PM  7 months agoPost 60
RM3

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how is it that I can fly a Kite 500' AGL 5 miles from a local airport and no one cares despite a 1963 federal regulation saying I "cant" but somehow all of a sudden I need AMAs support with a fee of $85 to fly a 450 class heli anywhere and everywhere?

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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