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01-30-2018 11:54 AM  9 months agoPost 21
utahbob

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Drone atrocities affect?
I have to wonder how the proliferation of drone flying affected the rate change..

I do a great decending funnel!

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01-30-2018 12:25 PM  9 months agoPost 22
gmcullan

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My personal opinion? AMA is a rip-off. I was a member for many years going back to the days when you had to send in a check. I renewed one year and never got my membership. When I contacted the AMA, they claimed I never paid for my renewal. They maintained that claim even when I sent them copies of the cancelled check (twice!). Just a bunch of self-serving rip-offs in my opinion. They will never ever get another cent of my money.

Gerry Cullan,
Gaui 200, 255; T-Rex 250, 450 SE & SA, Mini-Titan, Blade 450

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01-30-2018 12:57 PM  9 months agoPost 23
RGorham

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Slightly Confused
I'm sorry but you guys are bickering about spending 7.079 dollars per month when you would spend that on a airplane prop or a set of EC5 connectors for your model helicopter in a heart beat?

Maybe I'm grumpy this morning but that's ridiculous especially considering we not only get 2.5 mil worth of insurance PLUS all the projects and benefits they do for us and this hobby.

1. Umbrella organization for all the special interest groups
2. Aviation Museum
3. Scholarships, education
4. Government relationships
5. Insurance for both hobby and business (for hobbyists and site owners)
6. FAI relationships
7. Field Improvements
8. Flying site protection (and location)
9. Advertising
10. World class flying site for hosting dozens of SIG events, national and world championships
11. Charity donations and more.

If you are that cheap maybe model aviation isn't for you?

Note; My AMA number goes back to 1965 (20115) and I am proud to be a part of Academy of Model Aeronautics.

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01-30-2018 01:14 PM  9 months agoPost 24
Doublah

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RGorham
If you are that cheap maybe model aviation isn't for you?
Wow, good one!

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01-30-2018 01:22 PM  9 months agoPost 25
870heli

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Cheep ! I look in my cellar and there is nothing cheep that I can find.
Even the inexpensive stuff isn't cheep. LOL

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01-30-2018 01:25 PM  9 months agoPost 26
RGorham

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HaHa!

Have a wonderful day gents. I'm off to work to help pay for my expensive AMA membership.

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01-30-2018 01:36 PM  9 months agoPost 27
Mark Spies

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Well put Robert...

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01-30-2018 01:49 PM  9 months agoPost 28
Todd74

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Ask not what the hobby can do for you, but what you can do for the hobby.

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01-30-2018 02:08 PM  9 months agoPost 29
revmix

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personal choice & not being member of the n-CBO is not a safety violation in the NAS

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01-30-2018 02:41 PM  9 months agoPost 30
RM3

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when you would spend that on a airplane prop or a set of EC5 connectors for your model helicopter
well at least you experience the benefits firsthand of your expense in that case...

I've only been a member for 8 years... All I've ever used it for was going to a club field and getting the Magazine for its events section in the back concerning fun flies and swap meets...

I do see the benefits of being a member... but only if you need it for access to a club site or events to fly at. Some of us simply fly at the nearest convenient field and dont even have a club worth participating in. Lets be honest, the AMA is not big enough to do squat should the feds decide to regulate the life out of our hobby... The only people fighting on our side are the businesses that support it (and barely). And now it seems the Commercial Drone businesses has gained the attention of the tax man to the benefit of Amazon and at the expense of RC toy flying man-children across the USA...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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01-30-2018 02:41 PM  9 months agoPost 31
gwright

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Slightly Confused
I'm sorry but you guys are bickering about spending 7.079 dollars per month when you would spend that on a airplane prop or a set of EC5 connectors for your model helicopter in a heart beat?

Maybe I'm grumpy this morning but that's ridiculous especially considering we not only get 2.5 mil worth of insurance PLUS all the projects and benefits they do for this hobby.
I'll bet most of those complaining spend more than that on coffee and in a shorter period of time. Insurance aside,.. although I'm not always pleased with the final results, at least we as modelers have representation and a voice when regulatory issues arise. Adding to all that's been said, there are also dedicated staff at AMA for educational duties which helps get newer generations into the hobby

I guess they must recycle ama numbers Robert,.. a decade later in 1979 and it's 15136

Gary Wright

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01-30-2018 02:56 PM  9 months agoPost 32
gwright

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RM3
I've only been a member for 8 years... All I've ever used it for was going to a club field and getting the Magazine for its events section in the back concerning fun flies and swap meets...
Although it isn't really the case now, with the 2.4 equipment,.. in the past the AMA was isntrumental in our ability to use the previous 72mhz frequencies without requiring an fcc license. I'm speaking of the original ones, I think there were 6 or 8 but It's been a long time ago. (yes, all modelers were sharing a small number of frequencies, taking turns flying, and using a frequency control board) then they were instrumental in the narrowband conversions around 1990, allowing something like 50 frequencies in the 72 band via the FCC,.. without individual licensure. they were instrumental in the 70's, or was it 80's,.. I forget,.. getting the original faa advisory circular in place for model aircraft. This helped keep FAA off the modeler's backs for a very long time. These are just a few examples. without these things,.. which may seem small, but were foundational to the hobby,.. there may not even be a hobby or hobby industry at this point. So,.. everyone that flies models has "used" the AMA to some extent, whether they realize it or not.

ramblings of an old fart modeler

Gary Wright

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01-30-2018 02:57 PM  9 months agoPost 33
wjvail

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RGorham
1. Umbrella organization for all the special interest groups
2. Aviation Museum
3. Scholarships, education
4. Government relationships
5. Insurance for both hobby and business (for hobbyists and site owners)
6. FAI relationships
7. Field Improvements
8. Flying site protection (and location)
9. Advertising
10. World class flying site for hosting dozens of SIG events, national and world championships
11. Charity donations and more.
I'll begin by saying I've been a member of the AMA since the "70s. I'll join again this year.

But. I think organizations have a propensity to begin listening to their own press releases and less to the people they serve. It's my opinion the AMA has fallen into this trap.

Let look at the above list from the perspective of someone new to the hobby.

1. First of all, 99% of all members don't know what a SIG is. And they don't care. They just want to fly toy airplanes. Second, it seems to me, the SIGs are doing the heavy lifting here. The AMA simply benefits from the efforts of MACA, LSF, IRCHA, IMAC, etc. I suppose there is some administrative costs but SIGs should reduce the AMA's expenses, not raise them. http://www.modelaircraft.org/membership/sig.aspx

2. Nice. Don't care. Something that'll come up again in this thread, while I've been everywhere (man), I haven't been to the AMA Museum. I suppose I'm happy it exists, but I don't want to pay for it. I would hope it exists on a zero cost basis. By that I mean the display items are likely donations and expenses should be covered by admission and contributions.

3. Don't care. I went to college. My kids went to college. The AMA chipped in approximately 0.0%. Didn't want it. Didn't expect it. I really hope my dues aren't paying for this. I've always assumed AMA scholarships came from charitable trusts and donations and were, again, a zero cost item. It certainly is a zero benefit item to most of its membership. If they ever raise my dues for scholarships, we are all doomed.

4. That used to be of value when they negotiated our sliver of the FCC frequency band. My impression today is that they are trying to get written into law a requirement to be an AMA member to fly under new DOT/FAA model aircraft rules. Regardless of my personal impression, the FAA seems to be utterly ignoring the AMA.

5. This should be number one. It is cheap insurance. The AMA says 50% of all claims don't involve model aircraft. It is nice to be able to ask a land owner to use his field and tell him you have insurance. Move this to the top.

6. See numbers 1 and 4. Is there an expense to this? The Federation Aeronautique Internationale is it's own governing body and doesn't require AMA support. The AMA benefits from the efforts of its SIGs and the FAI. Relations with the FAI should reduce costs, not raise them.

7. Similar to #3. 50 years of modeling I've never seen this. I'm not saying some field somewhere hasn't been able to make improvements to their facilities with AMA funds. I've just never seen it. I don't expect the AMA to buy my club a mower and I don't want to buy your club a mower. What if each club member paid their AMA dues to their local club instead? Wouldn't that buy more focused field improvements? If each of my local club members paid their AMA dues to the club, in ten years time we would have collected $17,000 in dues and have a much nicer facility than we currently have.

8. I don't even know what this means. Flying site protection? I've never been part of a club that didn't lose at least one flying field on little more than a whim. A strong breeze will get a club kicked off a field. If by flying site protection you mean insurance, point take - but that was covered in #5.

9. Where? How? Do I care if there is advertising? Since when does flying model airplanes require solicitation? Does a fella with a wife, 2 kids and an Alpha .40 or Raptor .30 want or need advertising?

10. World class flying site? You mean the International Aeromodeling Center(IAC)? While I've been everywhere (man), I haven't been to the National Flying Field of Indiana - nor will 90% of all potential modelers. When I was a kid, LoneStar beer was advertised as the National Beer of Texas. For most modelers, the IAC is the international flying site of Muncie.

11. I don't know what this means. If it means my dues are going to charity, we need to stop this right now.

As I said, I've been a member for a long time and I will be for the foreseeable future. I just think the AMA needs to stop listening to itself and more to members and potential members.

Has Jonny Cash been to Muncie, Indiana?

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01-30-2018 03:28 PM  9 months agoPost 34
RM3

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all valid points... honestly 1 - 11 are simply mole hills being sold off as mountains.

Honestly, if we could include every single flying RC modeler in the USA, what percentage of them even use anything related to items 1 - 11?

I think its well under 2% based on what you say.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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01-30-2018 03:59 PM  9 months agoPost 35
revmix

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the n-CBO is for nonprofit & being member is a personal choice, so shouldn't be a problem to either party

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01-30-2018 04:19 PM  9 months agoPost 36
Danny Calderone

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5. This should be number one. It is cheap insurance. The AMA says 50% of all claims don't involve model aircraft. It is nice to be able to ask a land owner to use his field and tell him you have insurance. Move this to the top.
I do believe the AMA insurance only covers you when flying at an actual AMA recognized flying site. Correct me if I recall incorrectly...

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01-30-2018 04:50 PM  9 months agoPost 37
KJH

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I do believe the AMA insurance only covers you when flying at an actual AMA recognized flying site. Correct me if I recall incorrectly...
I didn't see that in the A.M.A. membership manual.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/memanual.pdf

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01-30-2018 04:50 PM  9 months agoPost 38
wjvail

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I do believe the AMA insurance only covers you when flying at an actual AMA recognized flying site. Correct me if I recall incorrectly...
Don't know.

There is a very old saying that says "You never know how good your insurance is until you need it". I defy you to find mention of insurance on the AMA home page. Using the link below, what tab would you click on to file a claim? Insurance policies are written to me misunderstood. http://www.modelaircraft.org/

This is how it works.

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01-30-2018 05:00 PM  9 months agoPost 39
KJH

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Using the link below, what tab would you click on to file a claim?
I'd select Contact AMA. http://www.modelaircraft.org/abouta...on/hqstaff.aspx

-Kevin

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01-30-2018 05:03 PM  9 months agoPost 40
ssmith512

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I defy you to find mention of insurance on the AMA home page.
Dude. ONE simple click of the mouse gets you ALL the information one might need....

Geez.

Membership Manual.

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