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12-13-2017 03:33 PM  8 months agoPost 21
InvertedDude

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The way I read it, you need to take care of the Federal Requirement to register your R/C Helicopter under section 336. $5.00 and FAA number on Helicopter and Paper in your wallet. Follow the guidelines the FAA website gives you and you are legal.

The AMA member is just an requirement if you fly at an AMA sanction field.

I will not buy an AMA membership, they can go pound sand!

On the Federal side, I have taken care of that. I do not like it one bit!

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12-13-2017 04:45 PM  8 months agoPost 22
ICUR1-2

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What the AMA could do is register and pay any FAA fees for registration and include that into your AMA dues.

That's if they wanted to show their members any leadership.

spending time, paying attention

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12-13-2017 05:14 PM  8 months agoPost 23
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Glad i never read that. Both can kiss my @$$ as i fly in farmers field!! Next they will want you to get a license to fly ultralight!!

only you have the power to make no difference!

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12-13-2017 05:16 PM  8 months agoPost 24
InvertedDude

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Glad i never read that. Both can kiss my @$$ as i fly in farmers field!! Next they will want you to get a license to fly ultralight!!
I am with ya man! Screw them all! However, keep in mind if a cop happens to be rolling around. He can inquire if you have the FAA registration or observe your aircraft if you have the numbers.

This is simply another tax on our wallets for a bigger Government.

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12-13-2017 05:39 PM  8 months agoPost 25
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Follow the guidelines the FAA website gives you and you are legal.
My confusion sets in when I read; "and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization"

Pre 2012 law, the "within and CBO" wording was not there.

The "within" word alone indicates to me you must become a member.

While some condemn AMA present actions or inactions, bottom line is we would not be flying at all if it werent for their pre FAA actions and in dealing with the FCC.

If indeed their present intention is to acquire any and all aircraft membership as the sole CBO presently established, then so be it. I view it as a positive in numbers strength as its easier to be conquered when divided.

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12-13-2017 05:56 PM  8 months agoPost 26
InvertedDude

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My confusion sets in when I read; "and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization"

Pre 2012 law, the "within and CBO" wording was not there.

The "within" word alone indicates to me you must become a member.

While some condemn AMA present actions or inactions, bottom line is we would not be flying at all if it werent for their pre FAA actions and in dealing with the FCC.

If indeed their present intention is to acquire any and all aircraft membership as the sole CBO presently established, then so be it. I view it as a positive in numbers strength as its easier to be conquered when divided.
I get it, ignore it! Get your FAA registration and go fly. Don't worry because you already met the requirements of obtaining FAA drone registration and the number on your R/C helicopter. In the eyes of the law, you are complete. Now if they would have specified that you are REQUIRED to be in a membership....that is like ObamaCare. The law in current form gives the feds no POWER to force membership (AMA) except drone registration.

I am gonna fly and not worry about it. I have my FAA number and card.

If they require you to obtain a membership with a future updated Drone Registration....it will be the day I sell everything and no longer participate in the hobby.

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12-13-2017 06:11 PM  8 months agoPost 27
raspeitia

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I think everyone is missing the simple answer. No need to register if you fly Helis and are already in AMA.

FAA summary says: If you fly for fun, belong to AMA, less than 55 lb model and fly line of sight, you are in compliance with the public law.

According to the FAA website:

Unless exclusively operated in compliance with Section 336 of Public Law 112-95 (Special Rule for Model Aircraft), the aircraft must be registered if over 0.55 lbs.

This says that unless you abide by "Section 336 of Public Law 112-95" you need to register if over 0.55lbs.

Well then "Section 336 of Public Law 112-95" basically says:
1) aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use
2) aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization;
3) the aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds
4) the aircraft is operated in a manner that does not interfere with and gives way to any manned aircraft
5) when flown within 5 miles of an airport, the operator of the aircraft provides the airport with their info.

Finally , a Model Aircraft is:

(c) Model Aircraft Defined.--In this section, the term 'model
aircraft' means an unmanned aircraft that is--
(1) capable of sustained flight in the atmosphere;
(2) flown within visual line of sight of the person operating the aircraft; and
(3) flown for hobby or recreational purposes.

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12-13-2017 06:15 PM  8 months agoPost 28
InvertedDude

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Helicopter is considered a drone in FAA eyes due to being unmanned and radio controlled.

https://drone-registration.net/?msc...%20Registration

https://drone-registration.net/faa-drone-registration/

https://drone-registration.net/rc-r...ation-faa-faqs/

I am covering my bases.

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12-13-2017 06:19 PM  8 months agoPost 29
raspeitia

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Yes, a heli is a UAS.

thus check out the FAA specific page on Fly for Fun. It says right there that no need to register.

https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/fly_for_fun/

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12-13-2017 06:43 PM  8 months agoPost 30
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thus check out the FAA specific page on Fly for Fun. It says right there that no need to register.

https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/fly_for_fun/
I "believe" (not 100% certain), that language was added to the FAA website AFTER they lost the Taylor case. I am pretty sure that language will be removed from the website now that the new law has been signed. The new, just signed law puts back into place the original FAA regulation as worded PRIOR to the Taylor case, which means ALL flying craft above .55lbs MUST be registered with the FAA.

Again, this is my guess based on what I have read so far.

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12-13-2017 06:50 PM  8 months agoPost 31
revmix

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FAA specific page on Fly for Fun
not updated yet, the restored registration requirement shall show up when entered into the system, FAR part 48 will spell it out

HR2810 is signed so actually hobby r/c user registration ID is very much in effect, 48.115

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrie...ART&n=pt14.1.48

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12-13-2017 07:42 PM  8 months agoPost 32
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Thanks Revmix...way to kill a thread with facts.

That link makes it official to me.

Registration for recreational use is mandatory for anything over .55lbs

Furthermore, AMA coverage is not contingent on FAA registration. Not that it makes a difference.

Maybe John Taylor or AMA will challenge the recreational part.

I doubt this will kill the hobby as some believe.

Perhaps finally time for an ultralight instead.

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12-13-2017 08:02 PM  8 months agoPost 33
raspeitia

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You may be right then, that the FAA site has not been updated yet.

In the case of the registration process being activated again though, my understanding is that it has a HUGE hole in the way its worded that allows for civil disobedience with the text of the law.

The registration text "Section 48.100 Application" currently says you have to supply:

(1) Applicant name.
(2) Applicant's physical address and if the applicant does not receive mail at their physical address, a mailing address must also be provided.
(3) Applicant's email address.

The interesting part has always been the FAA text NOT specifically requesting the UAS "Owner" as that implies and has specific legal requirements.

Thus it asks for the "Applicant" AND "a mailing address" NOT specifically the UAS Owner or the UAS Owner's address.

So if everyone has the same applicant, lets say "James Anderson" submit the registration for everyone and he supplied his "physical" address where he is at the time of registration, then supplies "a mailing address" that is NOT required to be "his" mailing address.

Then all the registrations are useless data.

Just throwing that out there.

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12-13-2017 08:12 PM  8 months agoPost 34
raspeitia

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I don't like it either way.

I think I'll wait on the FAA final text to see what they say this time around.

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12-13-2017 08:54 PM  8 months agoPost 35
Pistol Pete

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Unfortunately waiting for the FAA to update a webpage does not exempt you from compliance of the law.

Registration of anything implies ownership. Be it a weapon, vehicle or girlfriends saline implants, which by the way, also includes SSN when registered.

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12-13-2017 09:33 PM  8 months agoPost 36
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revmix just likes to stir the pot with BS.

He's an FAA shill.....

If you read what was put before the President to sign....you would see that it merely re-instates the ruling vacated by Taylor vs Huerta.

A 5 line paragraph.

It does not remove the Sen. Inhofe "rider" of Sec. 336.

Which means that Congress didn't spend much time worrying about this crap.

The whole bill....in which the above is included within....is huge.....dealing with all sorts of appropriations, etc.

The RC issue is so insignificant it gets lost in the "noise".

And what was signed into law can easily be repealed(vacated) again....by Mr. Taylor via another lawsuit.

In addition, this is another attempt by the AMA to try and get more members....since their membership has been losing ground for the last several years.

So, if you want to waste money by registering....go right ahead....

When another lawsuit against the FAA(with regards to RC hobbyists) prevails, the AMA will again claim that registration is unnecessary.

But, go right ahead and waste your money and get on their "list"....

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12-13-2017 09:43 PM  8 months agoPost 37
InvertedDude

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Until the FAA is sued again with Taylor being reheld up once again. I will play it safe until then. I can't risk a $27k fine or 3 years in prison.

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12-13-2017 09:48 PM  8 months agoPost 38
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A 5 line paragraph.
any doubt?
shall be restored to effect on the date of enactment of this Act.

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12-13-2017 09:55 PM  8 months agoPost 39
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EEnginer is absolutely and totally wrong on this issue.

If you fly ANY aircraft weighing more than 0.55lbs you must register and attach a registration number to everyone of your aircraft.

Before there was not a law that required registration. Now there is. John Taylor will not be able to overturn the law by suing. It would take another act of congress to overturn this.

All things considered, this is a good law. We need to know who is flying. This is a start. 535 members of congress and the president agree.

EEngineer is promoting some personal agenda to cost you a lot of money when you get caught.

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12-13-2017 10:24 PM  8 months agoPost 40
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Don't waste your time. This person is so far down the rabbit hole. He smiles when his liberties are being stripped or pay for the privilege. Mindless slaves don't understand that blood has been spilled for their liberties.

We are at near end of our republic.

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