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12-15-2017 04:06 PM  9 months agoPost 301
BeltFedBrowning

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Kansas City

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I have brought many Nimh and NiCad batterys back to life and got years more use out of them. You can have just as much or more fun in some cases with Nimh battery tech. I have fun with my helicopters that originally used a Nimh or NiCad by keeping them original. You can fly them till the headspeed is so low that you have to land. Stress free flying.
The most important thing is have fun with what you got!

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12-15-2017 04:34 PM  9 months agoPost 302
joeskeeter

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South Georgia

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Re nimh, BFB

Just tried the 3 batteries I thought came back, and only
one nasty hover, in ground effect.
Their the 9 cell 10.8v packs.
Battery university says to try 1 v per cell discharge.
I set my HK Eco Eight charger to do a discharge at .2 mv.
They said you can try below 1v, maybe .4 per cell.
Maybe I'm not doing the discharge recharge procedure correctly.

I've been out of the hobby so long,
that I'm having to re-read stuff that I knew
pretty good before, and it is frustrating me to no end.
Hope I'm not going into dementia - that would suck

Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face - Mike Tyson

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12-15-2017 05:06 PM  9 months agoPost 303
BeltFedBrowning

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I used to hook a car headlight or brake light bulb to discharge them further.

Maybe the ignorance of dementia would be bliss. Not being able to remember how miserable I am supposed to be.

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12-15-2017 05:32 PM  9 months agoPost 304
ICUR1-2

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Ottawa, Ontario

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I brought back Nicads to life by quickly discharging and slow recharging. Took a few cycles . On a 1500 mah I lost about 300 mah of capacity. They do work though.

spending time, paying attention

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12-18-2017 10:21 AM  9 months agoPost 305
joeskeeter

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South Georgia

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I'll try a few discharge/charge cycles then.
Ordered a few fix up odds and ends from HK,
was thinking about getting a couple of lipos also.
Not sure if the stock 3in1,motor is compatible, though.

Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face - Mike Tyson

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05-30-2018 12:23 PM  3 months agoPost 306
B/T

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There are no trainer models any more. Beginners buy 3D machines that run 7-8 min on a battery pack. Hard to get the time needed to learn any skill. These high head speeds and gear ratio are aimed at 3d flying. I have seen many a beginner hit the dirt and said it is cheaper to buy a new model than rebuild. To expensive. The old trainer was bent shaft blades and a boom. Now it is shaft blades frames boom some servos skids tail blades. Drones are so easy lol.

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05-30-2018 12:29 PM  3 months agoPost 307
Eury

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Dover NH

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The nitros now run just as long and are every bit as durable as they were back in the 90s, and electrics can run over 10 minutes when setup with a low head speed and appropriate gearing. If people are new and showing up and their stuff is setup for hard 3D, they’d appreciate advice from more experienced guys that save them money and get them more flight time.

Nick Crego

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05-30-2018 12:32 PM  3 months agoPost 308
Heli_Splatter

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Yeah, helis are expensive. That is why you use a simulator to learn to hover and some forward flight. A heli can pretty much be set up to fly the way you need it. Change the head speed, turn down the servos.

Much more satisfying to fly helis, but multi-rotors are cheap and easy.

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05-30-2018 08:21 PM  3 months agoPost 309
PaulBowen

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Victoria, Australia.

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If I was starting again I’d buy an SDX 50 and some training undercarriage, run it at 1600-1700rpm and enjoy 10-15 minute flights.

Sure a sim is a low risk training option but it just doesn’t match the fun of the real thing. If training is tackled correctly then a crash in the hovering stage just shouldn’t happen.

Futaba T18SZ, JR Propo XG14, Hirobo fanatic!

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06-07-2018 01:53 AM  3 months agoPost 310
Cra-Z-1

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It kinda sounds like this site lost all of its younger fan-base., given the types of replies I've been reading; Carburetors were better than Fuel injection, Classics were better than modern cars...Flybars are better than Flybarless...old is better than new...IN WHAT WAY??

I think RM3 kind of hit it on the head when he said the younger generation doesn't have the drive to learn to do what it takes to build and learn to fly these things; OR the money. It would be VERY difficult to be able to afford both the time AND the monetary it takes to get involved in this hobby. Going to school, paying for school, interning, raising a family..etc. etc. etc. this hobby is very time intensive. I think that any way a manufacturer can simplify some of the time it takes to build/learn, the better chance the hobby has in getting and retaining new people in it. Lets face it; it takes a very strong desire to stick with this one, and the cost even further exacerbates this; and things generally only get MORE expensive.

Nowadays people have many many cool options when it comes to their play time; electronics in general have made it this way. I still love my helis and fly almost every weekend, but on the same note; there are many other things I'm involved with that I love just as equally. I'm lucky about not having kids myself only in the fact that it gives me more free time than I would normally have if things in my life were different.

I don't buy for a second that FBL has any blame whatsoever on the maintainability of this hobby. I think if anything, it helped to expand it. There were so many people interested in the FBL tech, it was an exciting time, but FBL never flew our helis for us EVER. That is a complete line of B.S. I can't see anything they didn't actually make better from my point of view, and if it had only been Flybarred models available, I probably would have learned and flown lots less. Every heli I own is Flybarless and I love each one of them for different reasons.

People in THIS forum seem to love to blame "drones" for everything..Its quite laughable. You liken "ALL" drones to having no skills or having to know nothing to fly them. If you are part of the group that says this, then I promise you have never tried flying racing drones, or even being a part of that awesome arm of the hobby. It is anything but easy and in many ways more challenging AND fun! Grouping ALL Drones together is about the same attitude as the "DRONE" blamers that group all RC planes and Helis into the same category. Its just ignorance; pure and simple.

To this day, I cannot say I know a single person that gave up their helis to fly drones (not that I don't believe there aren't some), but I sure know alot of people that started flying drones before ever trying planes OR helis.

OLD is almost never better than new; unless you truly believe that rebuilding your car's engine every 40,000 miles or less and having to tinker with ignition, points and carb adjustments every time you went from 2000 to 10000 ft was ideal, instead of going wherever you want, without any worry, still getting ideal gas mileage and keeping your car for 200,000 miles or more. The same still applies pretty much everywhere else too. They say they don't make them like they used to... in many cases..Thank God for that!

Ban the Ban.

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06-07-2018 11:08 AM  3 months agoPost 311
PaulBowen

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Victoria, Australia.

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What’s wrong with tinkering?

I wasn’t aware hobbies required constant technological improvement and simplification. I guess that for those who want less mechanical and more electronic, then maybe a drone is the go.

I love IC and flybar helicopters, I also have FBL machines. I have flown multicopters commercially and found it sh*t booring.

For now I’ll stick with my “outdated” helicopters.

Futaba T18SZ, JR Propo XG14, Hirobo fanatic!

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06-07-2018 11:50 AM  3 months agoPost 312
Richardmid1

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Everything was better in the past and the reason is that we were younger. EVERYTHING is better when your younger!

Also I HAVE tried racing FPV drones, got board very quickly and sold them! It's not something you can just take to the field and fly on your own, you need multiple people and you need to set up a course every time! No thanks!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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06-07-2018 12:10 PM  3 months agoPost 313
PaulBowen

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I spent my youth looking at Concept 30 advertisements wishing I could afford one. Later on I would look at Shuttles, Futuras, Eagles and Xcells. It’s these dreams that still fuel my interest today. Much the same as Jetrangers and Squirrels in full size. I always wanted to fly them and luckily that dream came true.

I’m in this hobby because I love helicopters both full size and models. I’m not in it for the next big technological innovation or to out do my fellow flyers. My ego is more than strong enough without having to show off at the model field.

As a side note I find it quite ridiculous to see people learning or flying sport on todays 3d optimised helicopters running 2000+rpm whilst pissing the neighbors off with the noise. The sound is truly terrible. No wonder IC flying has been banned at many clubs. What the hell ever happened to the perfectly adequate lower rpm ranges we used to operate at. Are people really happy with 5 minute run times when they could easily be getting double?

Futaba T18SZ, JR Propo XG14, Hirobo fanatic!

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06-07-2018 01:10 PM  3 months agoPost 314
Richardmid1

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Cra-Z-1
I think if anything, it helped to expand it. There were so many people interested in the FBL tech, it was an exciting time, but FBL never flew our helis for us EVER.
Take the little FBL box off one of your helis and try and fly it and say that again!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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06-07-2018 02:15 PM  3 months agoPost 315
InvertedDude

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Little off Topic
This will add to our understanding of the new generation.

I am not trying to garbage this thread but it will bring the real understanding why of the many reasons we are not seeing the new people in our hobby.

Over 20% millennial deaths are from opioids drug use.

20%!!!!!!

Back to the hobby guys! Stark Reality!

I will probably buy FBL system from Gaui, since I know I have a couple of good guys to help me in mesa!

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06-07-2018 04:11 PM  3 months agoPost 316
DennisH

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Baton Rouge Louisiana USA

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I think RM3 kind of hit it on the head when he said the younger generation doesn't have the drive to learn to do what it takes to build and learn to fly these things; OR the money. It would be VERY difficult to be able to afford both the time AND the monetary it takes to get involved in this hobby. Going to school, paying for school, interning, raising a family..etc. etc. etc. this hobby is very time intensive. I think that any way a manufacturer can simplify some of the time it takes to build/learn, the better chance the hobby has in getting and retaining new people in it. Lets face it; it takes a very strong desire to stick with this one, and the cost even further exacerbates this; and things generally only get MORE expensive.
The above quote to me pretty well sums up current times.

It's very tough on the younger generation to get involved in this hobby. It's pretty expensive for us who has been involved in this hobby since our younger days. LiPo's alone and lack of understanding (improper training) cost hundreds. In my area I see more RC Trucks than anything else.

It's expensive, time consuming, and "still" complicated in some areas. Lack of time is probably the number one reason, the finances is the secondary factor.

It might be different in certain areas of the country. And I can't say drones are a problem. I don't see or hear much about them either.

JMO, Dennis

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06-07-2018 05:37 PM  3 months agoPost 317
DennisH

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Baton Rouge Louisiana USA

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PS: Interesting facts after I made the above post
I am watching a few documentaries this morning.

I personally believe the below is hurting our hobby these days.

One interesting fact! There are 70 million, yes "million" registered video game participants in the World as I write this note.

Most games involve "combat" of some type (your competing directly against someone somewhere in the World, or it's group against group), something I believe personally that is putting in to many ideas in our today's children (a/k/a millennials) minds.

Most people feel this activity is harmless, I personally feel different.

Most of us on this Forum only knew cards, Monopoly, or Scrabble when we were kids. Outdoor sports consumed most of my time. Hunting was almost a necessity.

Many parents today (and I don't blame them) want their children in their site. There is way too many sick people out there in the World today. My personal belief, the Media reveals too much to everyone these days. They focus on the most harsh incidents. Their also teaching others ideas we never even thought about.

When is the last time you have seen anything on TV that promotes "any" hobby for our children.

IMO, the Media is the reason we are having so much trouble in our schools today. You know what I mean. They don't focus on the news, but use bits of it focusing on the tragedy and how it was committed, therefore teaching others as well.

I am going to stop here, but you know where this conversation is going.

I am not implying or making this a political post, just pointing out a reason why hobbies in general are declining.

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06-07-2018 05:47 PM  3 months agoPost 318
spaceman spiff

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I found the best Pizza in the world is at 49'ers golf course restaurant tucked away up again the Rincon mountains in Tucson. They have all my favorite beverages too. Nice folks, a bunch of big TV's with games to watch... Fantastic.

Anyone have recommendations for nail clippers? Looking for quality, but not too expensive.

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06-07-2018 08:54 PM  3 months agoPost 319
PaulBowen

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Victoria, Australia.

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Curved toe nail clippers for sure.

This allows the clipping of the toe and finger nails. You can also clip cable ties. Finger nail clippers really are just a one trick pony. Buying a single multi use toe nail clipper means the money saved can the go toward maybe a glow plug?

Futaba T18SZ, JR Propo XG14, Hirobo fanatic!

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06-07-2018 09:09 PM  3 months agoPost 320
InvertedDude

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PaulBowen
Not a glow plug....it's called Stormy Daniels!

Space??????

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