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08-18-2017 03:09 PM  11 months agoPost 21
EEngineer

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Bio-Ethanol?....

Oh, puhlease...I think I'm gonna puke....

This EPA crap has gone too far now....

Now they'll label them "Grow" engines....and use Miracle Grow for an additive.....jeez...

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08-18-2017 03:51 PM  11 months agoPost 22
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EE.

OS started marketing Bio-Ethanol engines over a decade ago in 2007. You might be happy to know they never went very far. The glow plugs are still readily available but the engines are not. You can still buy engines outside the US but Great Planes never imported them.

I think some of the appeal of Ethanol based engines was supposed to be that fuel would be as simple as denatured alcohol + some oil. Denatured alcohol is available globally as a solvent and can be bought at most home improvement stores. That might be appealing to those that don't have access to pre-mixed methanol/nitro fuel. (The "denatured" part is taking what would be perfectly drinkable ethanol and poisoning it. )

There are other benefits too. Admittedly you would never know it by looking at OS's information. They only seem to advertise "Eco friendly" aspects. Better fuel economy and less corrosion are two examples.

http://www.singahobby.com/index.php.../?q=bio-ethanol

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klean-St...75003/202249513

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08-18-2017 04:44 PM  11 months agoPost 23
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"The "denatured" part is taking what would be perfectly drinkable ethanol and poisoning it."

Have to disagree with that....denatured is 100% isopropyl alcohol....no way to make it drinkable.....an different chemical composition.

Anyway, there's a lot of stuff out there that US distributors don't import....they only import what they can make money on....

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08-18-2017 04:49 PM  11 months agoPost 24
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"The "denatured" part is taking what would be perfectly drinkable ethanol and poisoning it."
Have to disagree with that....denatured is 100% isopropyl alcohol....no way to make it drinkable.....an different chemical composition.
We will have to agree to politely disagree.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol

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08-18-2017 05:03 PM  11 months agoPost 25
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OK....I am looking on the back of a gallon can of denatured alcohol obtained from Home Depot.

On the back, it says it "contains methanol".....not that it's made of methanol....but that's not ethanol. And the chemical symbols of their composition is different

Whether denatured is isopropyl or other chemicals in the same generic category....it's still not "drinkable"....

And that was my main point of the use of the term "alcohol".

And I think we're in agreement that only ethanol is drinkable....

Anyway....some call our fuel nitro....others call it glow fuel...and others call it methanol....lol

But, you have to admit.....that was funny calling it "meth" fuel....

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08-18-2017 05:11 PM  11 months agoPost 26
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So, to recap....lol

Our car engine fuel gets drinking additives.....our model airplane engine fuel is run on stuff that makes you go blind....

And the EPA is trying to have them both run on plant additives....

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08-18-2017 05:22 PM  11 months agoPost 27
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I think the poison in "denatured alcohol" (ethanol) typically is methanol. I believe the idea is that it would be very difficult to distill out the methanol from what would otherwise be very pure and very drinkable ethanol. (Again- ). By including some methanol and rendering it undrinkable, we avoid the "revenuers". The gallon you are looking at from Home Depot is almost certainly 190 proof ethanol poisoned with methanol.

There is no reason to "de-nature" isopropyl alcohol. It is unsuitable for drinking by its very nature.

I stand by my statement that denatured alcohol is ethanol and, with a bit of oil, be suitable as a fuel in OS's Bio engines.

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08-18-2017 05:29 PM  11 months agoPost 28
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Of course the de-natured debate can be avoided entirely by simply mixing fuel out of natured-ethanol. That seems like a terrible waste though...

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08-18-2017 05:30 PM  11 months agoPost 29
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I think you're right...

Well, that's just alcohol abuse.....

So.....

If we use "nitro fuel", why do we have "glow" plugs?....lol

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08-18-2017 05:44 PM  11 months agoPost 30
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Alcohol Abuse is defined as spilling a full glass of Jack Daniels before you get to take a sip.

I hate it when that happens.

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08-18-2017 05:52 PM  11 months agoPost 31
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Natured alcohol....I like that term....

In semiconductor lab, we had "electronic grade" ethanol...lol

Another question....

If the drug addicts have "meth" labs....

Do "moonshiners" have "eth" labs?....

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08-18-2017 10:30 PM  11 months agoPost 32
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I prefer good-natured alcohol. The kind that amplifies my better qualities and suppresses those of that Hyde guy.

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08-19-2017 02:10 PM  11 months agoPost 33
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Back to the initial discussion, it used to be diesel or glow when describing an engine, with petrol (gas in the colonies) used by large scale only. Diesel was the British preference, and glow was the US one. As folks don't use diesel for helis, perhaps that us where 'nitro' took over, but I think an Americanism that has become almost universal.

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08-19-2017 03:58 PM  11 months agoPost 34
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Petrol....now that's another one...

How did that term come to be used?

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08-20-2017 12:27 AM  11 months agoPost 35
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Not a response to my original point but interesting nonetheless.

From Wikipedia

"Gasoline" is the term that is used in North America to refer to the most popular automobile fuel. The Oxford English Dictionary dates the first use to 1863, when it was spelled "gasolene". On 27 November 1862, publisher, coffee merchant, and social campaigner John Cassell placed an advertisement in The Times:

"The Patent Cazeline Oil, safe, economical, and brilliant … possesses all the requisites which have so long been desired as a means of powerful artificial light.

This is the earliest occurrence of the word to have been found. Cassell discovered that a shopkeeper in Dublin named Samuel Boyd was selling counterfeit cazeline and wrote to him to ask him to stop. Boyd did not reply and changed every ‘C’ into a ‘G’, thus coining the word "gazeline".[5] The word may also derive from older trademarks. Variant spellings of "gasoline" had been used to refer to raw petroleum since the 16th century.

"Petrol" is the preferred term in most Commonwealth countries. "Petrol" was first used as the name of a refined petroleum product around 1870 by British wholesaler Carless, Capel & Leonard, who marketed it as a solvent.[7] When the product later found a new use as a motor fuel, Frederick Simms, an associate of Gottlieb Daimler, suggested to Carless that they register the trade mark "petrol",[8] but by this time the word was already in general use, possibly inspired by the French pétrole,[6] and the registration was not allowed. Carless registered a number of alternative names for the product, but "petrol" became the common term for the fuel in the British Commonwealth."

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08-20-2017 12:50 AM  11 months agoPost 36
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Interesting....

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08-20-2017 11:39 PM  11 months agoPost 37
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can you accuse your motor of being an alcoholic? Bar tender, git me another nip of nitro ahhm feelin good right nawr, lol.

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08-29-2017 04:14 AM  10 months agoPost 38
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"From Wikipedia
"Gasoline" is the term that is used in North America to refer to the most popular automobile fuel. "

From the series "The Men Who Built America", gas was a waste product from the production of kerosene by John D. Rockefeller.

Rockefeller created the "Standard Oil Company" and became known for supplying kerosene to everyone for their lanterns.....before there was electric light.....before Edison's invention.

When the railroad companies ganged up to "stiff" Rockefeller for the transport of his kerosene, Rockefeller started making pipelines to bypass them.....LOL

Rockefeller was dead set against Edison and his lightbulbs and DC electricity power plants for obvious reasons......but....along came the reciprocating engine....and the gas that used to be a waste product was now very useful indeed.

So he gave up kerosene production to produce gas instead.....and had the pipelines, too.....

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08-29-2017 03:37 PM  10 months agoPost 39
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benzine
benzine ben·zine (běn'zēn', běn-zēn' or ben·zin (běn'zĭn)n.

A colorless, flammable, liquid mixture of hydrocarbons obtained in distilling petroleum, used in cleaning and dyeing and as a motor fuel; naphtha. Also called petroleum benzin .

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08-30-2017 11:01 PM  10 months agoPost 40
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I call my NITRO engines just what they are, and that is NITRO. Every one of the canopies that I have seen says NITRO PRO. They do not say glow pro. T-REX 700 NITRO PRO. T-REX 600 NITRO PRO. I fly both and love my NITRO. There still is nothing like the great smell of NITRO.

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