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08-14-2017 06:58 PM  11 months agoPost 1
Mark Ryder

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It's a fun fly. And assuming IRCHA is a not-for-profit business.

Here are some thoughts on getting back to basics.
  • No more vendor sponsorships tying up the flightline.
  • No more required vendor donations to the raffle.
  • Tie up the fightline for only two hours. Fri and Sat noontime.
  • Lower the pilot entry fee.
  • Lower vendor fees to be more inline with actual event costs.
IRCHA discretionary expenses are way too high. IRCHA by-laws should not allow vendors marketing favor staffing hobby shows with product and or reps. IRCHA by-laws should not allow vendors access to IRCHA's mass emailings.

Please post reply with your thoughts.

Big business...

Mark Ryder

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08-14-2017 07:18 PM  11 months agoPost 2
ssmith512

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For me - I dont care what they do or how they do it. I will attend no matter what. I dont concern myself with anything other than hanging out with like minded heli friends - most of whom I only get to see once a year at this event, flying rc heli's or watching others fly rc heli's.

If it get's to the point where I dont feel it is worth my time, money or effort, I will choose not to attend (but honestly - it would take a lot for me not to attend).

Steve

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08-14-2017 09:35 PM  11 months agoPost 3
Doublah

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I agree with Vendor Sponsorship Pilot's tying up the middle of the flight line. Two hours on Friday and Saturday is plenty. It just seems too much.

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08-14-2017 09:49 PM  11 months agoPost 4
wjvail

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I've been growing more and more frustrated with the notion that a fun-fly has to include a raffle or drawing. I've been in this hobby for 50+ years, and I don't know when it started, but contests and fun-flys didn't always include raffles and giveaways.

The last fun fly I attended had 60ish registered pilots and somebody bought 200 raffle tickets. I didn't really want anything from the fun-fly and by the time they got done calling out this guys numbers, there was nothing left. I'm ashamed to say it but, I stood there with my one ticket for 30 minutes before I realized the stupidity of it all. I finally noticed I'd be a lot happier flying and watching others fly. After all, that's why I was there. I gave my ticket to the kid next to me.

When my local club starts talking about a fun-fly, one of the first questions to come up is, "who is going to write letters to vendors for free stuff for the raffle"? My idea is to get together and fly models. Job done. If you are here for free stuff, stay home. I don't need you. This isn't supposed to be a windfall for the attendees.

As for professional vendors, I appreciate what they do to support the hobby but don't consider them "part" of the fun fly. Again, fun-flys (or even the NATS) didn't always include vendors.

I spent a week at the 1976 NATS and don't recall a single vendor rep or vendor booth. We were simply there to fly and compete. I think the only person I met the entire week that was officially affiliated with a product was Duke Fox. He was there to keep his finger on the pulse of the hobby and help modelers. He spent a considerable amount of time helping me with my .36 combat motor. He must have certainly noticed several of my airplanes had Super Tigres on them. It didn't seem to matter to him. Now to the point - you couldn't have bought a motor from him that week if you wanted to. No vendor tents. No reps. No raffle. Just a bad sunburn, good friends and a lifetime of memories.

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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08-15-2017 12:11 AM  11 months agoPost 5
classic

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Great post Mark! Too bad they wont listen.
tried to tell the ircha pres this last year and he blew me off.

They have no interest in listening to the average pilot.

Last time I went several years ago it was pretty expensive just for the ircha membership and dues for the event.

Ircha did nothing to keep sponsored pilots from flying over other people's flight lines, maybe that could be something else to address.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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08-16-2017 02:06 AM  11 months agoPost 6
markwechsler

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Non-Profit or For Profit ????
I wonder if the real issue with IRCHA 2017 is if they have become a small, private business funded by us, the hobbyists.

Do some simple math and you quickly start questioning where (or in whose pockets) the cash going. We know there were more than 700 registered pilots. Assuming $35 IRCHA dues and $45 IRCHA 2017 registration results in $56,000 of fees. It is also reasonable to assume that IRCHA's mandatory vendor tent charge of no less than $2,000 was greater than the actual cost resulting in additional cash. We also know that the golf cart company "donated" the use of 23 carts to IRCHA for the right to service the event. So, when you consider the cost of renting lights, sound system, porta-potties and miscellaneous items it seems reasonable to think that quite a bit of the fees collected were not put back into the event.

IRCHA - how about a public accounting of your expenses. It seems as though you may "be the voice of many and the pockets of a few".

Mark Wechsler

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08-16-2017 03:28 AM  11 months agoPost 7
Steve Graham

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I thought IRCHA was too broke to provide lights and had set up a gofundme type of thing for them?

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08-16-2017 12:47 PM  11 months agoPost 8
Grimracer

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Eau Claire WI

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man.. somebody's cornflakes got pissed on..

I like all the vendors.. I use this as a knowledge base for what might be new or.. maybe I am shopping for parts..

I'm going..I like the buds I make... there is PLENTY of flight line area or cripes.. its a 4 square mile flying site.. lots of room to get together with the guys that don't want to hang round center.

also.. I don't care if the entire IRCHA board is making a full living off the event or our dues.. I have pissed away more money on cars, hobby stuff and other then to feel my hundred bucks is not spent correctly.

Truth is I have no idea how much money I Have spent in the past to see my friends.. LOTS.. and I am OK with that.

my friends have VALUE to me.
my time off from work has VALUE to me
looking at all the stuff at IRCHA.. has VALUE to me.
the flying site and its amenitys has VALUE to me.

Grim

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08-16-2017 05:19 PM  11 months agoPost 9
basmntdweller

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Indianapolis IN

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I've attended IRCHA every year since '02 or '03, spending at least 3 days. I'd bet I haven't flown 30 flights at the event in all that time. I go for the vendors and to see what's new in the hobby. It is also a good time to meet up with old friends I've met over the years and meet a few new ones.
If vendors are indeed being charged a $2000 minimum, that explains why so many have been missing these last several years. $2k isn't a lot of $$ to Futaba/Great Planes or Horizon but that is a huge chunk to a small shop like LukesRC or BobbyJacks both of which were not in attendance this year.
I seriously doubt anyone in IRCHA is getting rich off of the Jamboree. There are a lot of expenses and a whole lot of work involved to put it on.
I don't think it will survive another 5 years. I really hope I'm wrong on that though. It is a great little getaway for me every summer. No kids, grandkids or wife to interrupt me and my "toys"!

Matt


Stupid people have no idea how stupid they are!!!

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08-16-2017 08:24 PM  11 months agoPost 10
grimthenoble

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Ketchikan, Alaska

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Keep it simple, $10 a day landing fee. With ama card to fly. Vendors should be able to show up free of charge because they are there to help supply the pilots with parts and new helis etc.. and to enjoy everyone's company. I last attended ircha in 2009 when things were going well. I have no desire to fly at such a large event. Sounds like to many people are getting greedy and eventually there won't be a fun fly. I will stick to the smaller funflys and flying with my close friends.

Never go Full Retard!

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08-17-2017 12:00 AM  11 months agoPost 11
Ahile

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Apple Creek, OH

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Grim....+1, totally agree with you.

Basmntdweller...LukesRC went out of business earlier this year. Don't know what happened to BobbyJacks, may have gotten bought out or somebody else brought the stuff....but I thought they were there.

There were 33 tents set up this year. I know because I helped lay them out on Saturday. Now I know some had 2 tents but I thought it was a decent showing of vendors for a struggling hobby.

I've been going since about 2010, may have missed a year or two but I throughly enjoy it. For the past 5 years, I taken my wife and daughters and we have turned it in to a family vacation. I enjoy volunteering and helping as much as I can.

I don't care what happens behind the scenes, Americans waste more money on alcohol, smoking, and drugs and most have no recollection of what they did the past week. I spend $85 a year on IRCHA and I can remember what I did and saw during IRCHA.

One last note and it might get deleted for this, but anyway, if you don't like how it is being run or handled, than get off your recliner and get involved more than just being an attendee!

My hat off to Dan. He did a wonderful job of getting everything set up and was confident in what he was doing.

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08-17-2017 12:49 AM  11 months agoPost 12
dialarotor

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Traverse City, Michigan

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Correction
Bobby Jacks was there with a slightly smaller tent.

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08-17-2017 01:05 PM  11 months agoPost 13
Chris Bergen

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cassopolis, MI USA

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Don't forget that IRCHA is renting the property from AMA for the event. The Jamboree used to be held at different fields prior to 2001.

Not sure what they charge, but it probably ain't cheap...

Also forgot about all the very large tents put up across the property. Those aren't free either..

I'm sure there are other incidentals that we're not aware of as well..

A simpler, more everyday pilot gathering sounds good to me, but you probably would not draw in the "big" names anymore either, possibly further reducing the total attendance. Which may or may not be a bad thing.

Attendance in 2001 was a grand total of 120 registered Pilots and it was a blast!!

Chris D. Bergen

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08-17-2017 01:12 PM  11 months agoPost 14
wrongler

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Brewerton, New York

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How many registered pilots attended this year?

Bill Whittaker

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08-17-2017 01:17 PM  11 months agoPost 15
Steff Giguere

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Thought I'd chime in but finally decided not to.

Team Synergy, Rail blades, Team Scorpion, V-Team

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08-18-2017 01:18 AM  11 months agoPost 16
dialarotor

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Traverse City, Michigan

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2001 may have been fun but was not representative of IRCHAS to come
2001 is a bad example as 911 had just happened and many vendors and pilots were held up and models trapped at airports and the country was in shock. It was the 1st IRCHA held at Muncie. Raptor 30's & 60's had just hit the market the year before and helped initiate the pilot and rc heli explosion we saw from 2003 on through 2015.

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08-19-2017 04:22 AM  11 months agoPost 17
gologo

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The Jamboree was held in September in those years?? Did not remember
it being that way. Must have been just before I started going.

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08-20-2017 10:43 AM  11 months agoPost 18
dialarotor

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Those were the days of flybars, TX antennas, EZ-ups, hotels
https://rc.runryder.com/rrTV-Photo/...F3C-IRCHA-2001/

https://rc.runryder.com/rrTV-Photo/...CHA-2001/IRCHA/

Even the SWARM party was yet to be born.

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10-11-2017 02:09 PM  9 months agoPost 19
870heli

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Monson Ma. USA

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I have never been but when I was thinking of going It just seamed that it would be too much. Expensive, now way to get around from what I have been told. I seems it's all abought money.
I could be wrong. My son talked of going this year but that's as far as we got.

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11-16-2017 07:39 PM  8 months agoPost 20
joeplumber1

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cincinnati ohio

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I for one had a blast my wife as well. Only my third time at ircha first time flying and as I saw it it was a hell of a show as for the vendors / factory pilots let them have the main stage who cares there is plenty of space to fly I actually saw a whole lot of people just sitting under tents I had no problem getting in my flights , and for having vendors on sight with product at hand for if you crash is freaking awesome all day long . I was the winner of the grand prize at the end of the night on Saturday and as it was nice to win, it surely was not on my "to-do list" just luck I didn't drive from Cincinnati to Muncie to just hang out at a raffle I was there to fly and have a good time which I did and plan to do again in '18 this time I'm going for the full pull and get there on Tuesday. So for what it's worth my opinion if it isn't broke leave it alone if all you want to do is complain about nothing then stay home you have the choice.
To everyone at ircha thank you and keep up the good work! See you all in '18

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